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AL 1/10 Scale Stage Coach 1848 -

    Hello All - having just finished the Confederacy, I've decided to take a break from ships for a short bit before I start the Pegasus.  To that end - I bought this AL version of a stagecoach about three years ago for my wife's birthday.  She saw a similar one in a museum in Montana during a road trip and loved it!   Well... except I never got around to building it.  So - I promised her that I'd get 'er done right after the Confed. 

 

    Since other folks have built the Stagecoach, and I've been asked by a couple people if I'd have some sort of off-ship-topic log - I figured this'd be an appropriate place for it as I did with the Pocher Rolls kit.   Hope that's ok!

 

    So far - I have successfully transitioned my hobby room from the Confed to the Stagecoach, got the instructions up, and separated all the wood.  Ready to go!

 

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I'll definitely follow along.  I always said that someday I would like to do a stage coach as well so this will give me some greater insight.  BTW I followed your build of Augie's Confed and thought you did an amazing job.  You also inspired me to "get the gear out."  I dusted off my photography equipment and set up a mini photo studio to take better pictures of my build progress.  The studio is very similar to the one you posted a picture of.

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Thanks Derek!   And I'm glad to hear about you rejuvenating your studio. For me, I don't get as much opportunity to use my equipment as I like, so this turns into an excuse to do it.

 

 

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Hello Sean,

 

Found myself a seat on the front row and will tag along for the ride.

Good luck and have fun with this build.

 

Regards,

Anja

 

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The cowboy's are sitting around the animaatjes-vuur-61116.gif playing an gitaar05.gif

The animaatjes-indianen-35849.gif are around us in the hills.

 

So you can start Sean :D

 

Sjors

 

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This looks like fun I will follow along to.

What's this sjors? No popcorn? 

And what is a Wild West build without a shot of whiskey?? 

 🥃 Mmm smooooth!

Sam

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Bug,  I'm going to enjoy this build. Scale modeling anything, especially fine scale modeling is always fine in my book. The skills are universal to whatever genre, military miniatures, ships, cars, planes, armor and trains. I've done all that stuff in turns. Somebody posted recently about a expo in the Netherlands that had scale wagons and farm equipment among all the ship stuff. 

 

             I read through your Rolls build, great work. I have always wanted one of the Pocher Bugatti kits since seeing them in the hobby shop in the 1970s but they were always beyond my price range.

 

Have fun.

 

Kurt

 

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   Yeah Kurt - I got lucky with the Rolls - it came from an estate sale and was partially built. Fortunately, it was only about 1/3 of the way done, and built straight from the instructions so very easy to take back apart.  Nothing had been done with the body and all the parts were there - although quite challenging to sort through.  At any rate - I got it at a very good price because it was tough to tell if the kit was complete.  It was a gamble that paid off.

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Looking forward to your coach build Bug. Very much enjoyed your Pocher build but it kept me away from my shop for hours. I am easily distracted by excellence!

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Bug, I'd like to sidle up to your campfire and watch your build. Oh and I'll even watch out for the coyotes, too. ;)

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Sorry Sam,

 

I was on the way with the machine when there was a hold up.animaatjes-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly

They take my popcorn machine with them, so maybe it's now in a saloon.

I picked up another one and will put it in the corner.

 

Sjors

 

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   Good mornin' cow pokes, & cow pokettes,

 

       I had started putting together some of the wagon wheels before I took over the Confederacy, so i just had some touching up to do there. Finished adding all the nails, then sanding everything down.  I clipped off all the ends of the nails (all 192 of them) and then glued them in pre-holes. Truthfully, I cut off the ends of more than two hundred, because at least a few of them when flying across the room when I went to grab them with tweezers or put them in the holes.  

    This is what happens as your dexterity starts to decline... :P    Either that, or when you enjoy a glass of wine while you work. ;)

 

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    I'd already decided that I wasn't going to do the yellow paint thing - and I confirmed that with the Admiral, since this will eventually be her Stagecoach. Instead, I'm using a generous amount of tung oil to brighten it up a bit. 

 

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So - not sure about you Sjors - but here's what I discovered... the amount of char on the pre-cut pieces is CRAZY!

 

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 I don't know what kind of laser they were using - perhaps they borrowed one of Dr. Evil's Sharks with Lasers...

 

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  Anyway... it was a couple of hours of sanding off char and here's what my desk looked like afterward. You should have seen my hands!

 

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   I just did all the pieces at once.  What I really like about this kit is that it doesn't require too much in the way of 'scratch building' anything.  Even all the metal strips are pre-made! It's a nice change of pace!

 

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Sean,

 

I have another stage then what you have.

Mine was not that bad laser cut.

 

Sjors

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Howdy Bugg,

 

Did you ever think that your real "hobby" is drinking wine, and you just happen to build stuff during your hobby?

 

Ciao for now

Rob

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    So, did I hear correctly that Sjors will be starting a build log for his model of the popcorn machine?

 

    I have been eyeing the Model Expo stage coach model as one I MIGHT get done in less that a decade.  A local museum has an old Wells Fargo coach on display I could use as a color sample.  I plan to follow you build log closely to determine if I want to give it a try.

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nice start on your stagecoach Sean...........interesting to see,  since I've never done one either.  although,  I did build a chuck wagon table light,  quite a long time ago............I don't even know if the kit is still around any more.   should prove to be a lot of fun........especially the suspension ;)

 

do you think you can find horses in that scale?   oh,  and if Sjors can't get his popcorn machine,  perhaps he can find a bean machine?  viva la blazing saddles!

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I try to find a bean machine and smores but.......google translation don't know what it is and because I'm walking on wooden shoes, sorry, nope !

Please explain to me what it is !

 

Sjors

 

P.S. Still waiting for my Glen Talloch !

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17 hours ago, Sjors said:

I try to find a bean machine and smores but.......google translation don't know what it is and because I'm walking on wooden shoes, sorry, nope !

Please explain to me what it is !

 

Sjors

 

P.S. Still waiting for my Glen Talloch !

Sjors - my post was kind of a play on words or pun; your name Sjors versus the "treat" Smores - A Smores, or more correctly spelled, S'mores, is a campfire treat that dates back to the 1920's USA Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts camping - the word itself is a contraction of "Some more" - the treat is a roasted marshmallow and chocolate sandwiched between a Graham Cracker then heated over a campfire. My first encounter with S'mores was when my two daughters joined Girl Scouts and went camping with them many many years ago.  Here's a link to more info on S'mores.  It's actually quite tasty altho a bit messy and sticky.  It's quite popular here in the States, especially among the younger Girl Scouts;  not sure about the rest of the world, altho I'm sure other countries have some variation on the treat.

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   Little more work on El Coach this week. 

Even though I decided not to paint the parts yellow, I still wanted the lines and grooves to stand out.  So I cut the grooves in the frame and then highlighted them with a fine tip sharpie.  Then I coated everything with Tung oil.

 

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At the same time as the frame, I started putting the box together. Nothing SUPER interesting here, other than the need for many, many different kinds of clamps.

 

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Below is my handy method of clamping parts together when the clamp isn't quite long enough...

Quite honestly, I'm not really used to working with pieces on such a macro scale.  I look at the instructions and try to find the little pieces, and it takes me forever because they're so much larger than I expect them to be. :P 

 

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However, I did get the main piece of plywood a little crooked when I glued it on. OOPS.  Because that threw off the entire structure and made it out of square.  Ugh.  Those of you hoping to build this, or something similar - make damn sure your box frame is perfectly square before you glue it all in place.  It shifts really easily.

   At any rate - a few repairs, a little filler, and we're back to good.

 

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Finally - as Sjors pointed out in his, and as anyone who has ever worked with an Artesania Latina kit knows - the Sapelly planking is crazy, RIDICULOUSLY thin and brittle.  SO - I went ahead and roughly stained the box of the coach a dark oak to mask any anomalies or flaws when it comes time to try and "plank" the coach. All of this will be covered up of course, but as I learned with my San Juan Nepomuceno, you have VERY little margin of error when you're sanding the sapelly.

 

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Hello Sean,

 

I like what you did with the Sharpie, it looks good.  And a nice fix on the plywood too.

With modelling you can never have too many clamps in all sorts and sizes..

I used plastic bands together with clamps before, but never with those kind of clamps. Thanks for the tip 👍🏻

 

Looking forward to the next update.

 

Regards,

anja

 

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   Little more work on the Stage coach this weekend. 

 

Regarding the frame - it's all pretty straightforward, which I like.  It is quite challenging to get everything square, so I'm pretty sure when it's all said and done my carriage is going to need an alignment from my local mechanic shop. We shall see. 

 

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The axles are a bit too big for the holes in the wheels. And none of them are really exact. So I sanded down the axles, but I also widened the holes at bit to make everything fit smoothly.  That meant that each axle / wheel combination is unique. So I marked each axle and wheel with dots so they go back to their mate properly.

 

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  There's a groove on each side of the frame where a small metal piece that's attached to the brakes sits.  This groove keeps the brake parallel and slides back and forth as the brake lever is engaged.  The problem with the kit piece is that it's way too small to attach properly to the brake frame and also slide in the groove.  So I took a wider piece and recreated it.

 

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Then in a flight of fancy I pieced all the frame and wheels together for a little dry fit test of progress. :)

 

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Then... I took it all apart again.  Time for the springs and shock absorber things. These were a bit tricky to get together for sure.  The "bendy" shape they want you to use doesn't work AT ALL for the fitting. So there's a lot of little manipulations here and I needed to trim the two rear "rods" that stabilize the springs.  

 

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At this point, I'm just praying that this whole thing ends up being relatively even so I don't have a massively lopsided carriage when it's all said and done. 

 

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Finally got a little more work done on the stagecoach. I've been working on the base frame and the coach itself simultaneously.  Because of the aforementioned brittleness of the damn wide planking - it was treacherous filling the inside of the stagecoach. I ended up dampening the pieces with a spray bottle, and gluing them in with wood glue.  A really slow process to be sure.  

 

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Also - trying to cut the wide pieces into smaller pieces and shape them was also pretty taxing. More often than not they'd just split or break.  The only real method that worked was to use a sharp razor and hammer it down like a chisel.   Downside - you go through a few razors...

 

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Finally, this is my snazzy new "Plank bender"...

 

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Time to get after the frame a little bit more.  The Springs were up next, and they were quite a challenge.  

 

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I cheated a bit - and rather than glue the three walnut pieces together and then soak and bend them - I bent them first, and then glued them with slightly watered down PVA glue.  This solidified the bend - but did take away a bit of flexibility with the "spring-iness" which I was fine with.

 

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The BIGGEST pain in the keister was trying to glue the damn metal bits together.  I tried a few different CA's, and drilled some holes, and sanded some spots, etc, etc... but to no avail. Everything came apart almost instantly.

 

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I finally resorted to good 'ol "JB Weld" epoxy. I'd had some success with it making small repairs to my daughter's brass trumpet, so I figured it'd work here as well. And I haven't had great luck soldering - guess I just don't have the right kind of solder or something.

 

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Anyway, this eventually set nicely, and after painting looked pretty decent.

 

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It's all still definitely a little wonky, and the metal springs and bars don't line up ANYTHING like the plans say they should, but overall it looks ok.  I'm hoping once the carriage is mounted it'll look fine.

 

 

 

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Well done! Looking at the suspension it shows just how far engineering and manufacturing have come and yet conceptually still the same.

Sam

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