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31 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

Joel,

As I understand it, even Fr. Romero's practicums have errors and issues.   

I suspect that when you set yourself up to be an expert instructor that others' expectations can exceed the instructor.

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Yep... I daresay you are correct.

23 minutes ago, jbshan said:

I suspect that when you set yourself up to be an expert instructor that others' expectations can exceed the instructor.

 

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23 hours ago, jbshan said:

As far as practici are concerned, I am a complete newbie.  I've seen only a couple of articles in the literature by Fr. Romero, which seemed to be quite involved, but accurate.

Please, those who have built from one, especially one of Bob's, aside from personality clashes, do the expanded instructions work?  Can you buy the kit and practicum and be able to build the model?

 

I found that the Bluenose practicum was a good starting point for me starting out on my first wooden model.  I used it to get through the initial skeleton assembly , and planking the hull and deck.  I started the deck furniture using it but quickly discovered that it did not follow the plan very well, not did it match the color scheme from the plan.  From that point on I referenced it, but did not rely on it in any way.  For rigging, it is not very thoughtful or true to the actual ship, but more of a Hunt "cookbook" of generic rigging instructions.

 

In short, it was good for a lone modeler (this was before I discovered MSW) to get started, but it was by no means a faithful or detailed guide to building the model from start to finish.

 

Bob

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36 minutes ago, bhermann said:

 

I found that the Bluenose practicum was a good starting point for me starting out on my first wooden model.  I used it to get through the initial skeleton assembly , and planking the hull and deck.  I started the deck furniture using it but quickly discovered that it did not follow the plan very well, not did it match the color scheme from the plan.  From that point on I referenced it, but did not rely on it in any way.  For rigging, it is not very thoughtful or true to the actual ship, but more of a Hunt "cookbook" of generic rigging instructions.

 

In short, it was good for a lone modeler (this was before I discovered MSW) to get started, but it was by no means a faithful or detailed guide to building the model from start to finish.

 

Bob

I bought all of Bob Hunt's practicums because he offers a bundled deal.  I've been using his Bluenose practicum to build the MS Bluenose.  I've hesitated in engaging in this thread because I'm still early into the Bluenose build, using Hunt's practicum.

 

So far, at the planking stage, I've been very happy with the the Bluenose practicum (I can't comment on the other practicums because I've not used them yet).  As a complete novice builder, it's provided me with the hand holding that I feel I need.  As others have mentioned, having access to a practicum is different from reviewing build logs however helpful the building community might be.  The difference is not too different from reading a book to learn something and using google searches to learn the same thing.

 

With respect to the Bluenose practicum being faithful to the Bluenose build, I kept in mind the fact that Hunt wrote it SPECIFICALLY for ABSOLUTE newbie builders, like me.  So some steps have been simplified, etc.  That said, I've also read in this forum that Hunt generally (i.e. even in his practicums for more advanced builds) is less good about rigging.  I can see that being the case, as all of Hunt's POF models seem to be in the Admiralty style.  This is merely my observation, not a justification for Hunt's approach.

 

As for Hunt's personality "quirks," I should mention that I post regularly on his forums.  I like his practicum and think posting on his forum is a way to support his business.  I have, however, found from personal experience that he is fairly easily riled up.  His buttons can easily be pushed, he seems very emotional and he seems to allow his emotions to sometimes overwhelm himself, and he may have a persecution complex (:o).  But with a bit of emotional intelligence, it's fairly easy to anticipate what will set Hunt going.  If it's important to you (as it is to me) to support his community, you learn to avoid pushing his buttons.

 

For all I know, Hunt may read this forum and see this comment from me.  I'm not sure how he might react!  But it was important enough for me to provide my take on Bob Hunt and his practicums so long as it is helpful to others.

 

 

Rabi

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I purchased the video practicum of the Lady Nelson and could not be happier with it  I am fairly new to this hobby and could not have done it without his help. I have read all of the negative comments and thought I would offer something positive.

John

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Thanks John.

 

I used his practicum as a guide when building my AVS, and it came out quite nicely.  I think they are a bit pricey, but at least the AVS one was quite decent and useful.

 

His kits were great, but he isn't very good at PR at all (if there was a negative rating for PR he would probably get it), which is where a lot of the negativity towards him comes from I believe.

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My observation is as follows, but my data is limited.

 

Romero used the term because he was writing instructions for his local club.   A practicum usually means a study (or course) in which the student is given guidance during actual "hands on" experience.  I was familiar with the term more in the field of education.  Anyway, Romero was guiding people who were learning by doing.  Then he made his instructions generally available, but because they had been generated for a true practicum the term adhered to his written instructions.  His writings in and of themselves are not truly a practicum since they lack the personal guidance element.  Once Romero's books were called practicums, we then began to see any detailed set of instructions referred to as practicums.  Now we are stuck with this inaccurate use of the word.  From time to time it is pointed out that we are misusing the term, but some thirty years later it is rather pedantic to insist on a correction.

 

Wayne

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I am building the Model Shipways Rattlesnake and purchased Bob's Rigging Practicum for that model. Before I retired I was a technical editor and technical maintenance procedure writer for the U.S Navy Lightweight Torpedo program and I have written many a technical manual. Bob's Practicum, while helpful, drives me bonkers with his methods. Example referring someone to a drawing package or video in a different Practicum on a completely different model as an example of how to complete a step he is explaining. You just don't do that. You either provide the drawing or link or leave it out. Everyone has different was of doing things. I like to add the blocks to the mast while building them not after all the standing rigging has been attached making it much more difficult. I find his photos very helpful and use them more than the written instructions.

 

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