Tigersteve Posted April 18, 2017 Share #1 Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) After completing the English Longboat, this build of the English Pinnace seems like the next logical project for me. I placed an order with Wood Project Source for some hard maple. This order covers the planking and various other aspects of the build. The laser cut parts from the kit will be used, of course. I'm very curious how it is to work with hard maple. A photo of the plans, practicum, and my planking fan is included for your enjoyment while I procrastinate on creating a building board for this project. Welcome! Steve Edited July 4, 2018 by Tigersteve JesseLee, Nirvana, Vivian Galad and 11 others 14 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted April 18, 2017 Share #2 Posted April 18, 2017 I think I'll follow along if you don't mind. I'd be interested in seeing your thoughts on this versus the longboat. Eventually I want to build both of these and I'm not sure which one to go for first. Tigersteve, Elijah and Nirvana 3 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted April 19, 2017 Welcome aboard. This kit design, although similar to the longboat, provides its own challenges. I suspect planking will be equally difficult. The longboat is a more complex project and very tiny (6 1/2 inch hull). Parts just kept getting smaller as I progressed in the build. My order from Wood Project Source has shipped. Also, the display case from Kreative Acrylics for the longboat has shipped. Stay tuned... Steve EricWilliamMarshall, Nirvana, Justin P. and 5 others 8 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBorgens Posted April 19, 2017 Share #4 Posted April 19, 2017 Steve, l am planking mine with boxwood. This is my first use of boxwood and it is harder than basswoods so I am getting used to it. So far so good. Just plan to soften the wood when planking and forming the wood. I've not used maple but am sure you'll do well. KenW, Nirvana, Tigersteve and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: HMS Pegasus, English Pinnace (on hold) Completed build: MS Bluenose, Skippercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted April 19, 2017 I have to say that Wood Project Source has earned my loyalty. A very well packaged, accurate order of hard maple has arrived. Thank you, Roman, for the quality cutting and extra milled strips! Steve Ryland Craze, Fright, zoly99sask and 11 others 14 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fright Posted April 20, 2017 Share #6 Posted April 20, 2017 Steve - are these the sizes of wood strips that are used in the kit? It looks like you ordered 5 strips of each size, is this correct? I ordered this kit as my 1st attempt at a POF kit. Your build of the 21' long boat looks outstanding! I saved your builds as future reference. Elijah, Nirvana and Tigersteve 3 Quote Robert O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Robert, I appreciate the compliment on the 26' longboat. Below is the order I placed. I went through the practicum and parts list to determine what I would order to supplement the kit. I did my best to calculate extra material for mistakes. Also, Wood Project Source included extra strips in every dimension. I suppose it was the remaining wood from the sheets they used to mill the strips. Steve 1/32" x 3/16"x 24" 40 strips for planking and risers 1/32" x 1/4"x 24" 10 strips for floorboards and aft platform 1/32" x 1/8"x 24" 5 strips for inboard planking 1/32" x 1/16"x 24" 6 strips for outboard mouldings and inboard panels 1/16" x 5/16"x 24" 3 strips for thwarts and front platform 1/16" x 1/16"x 24" 2 strips for stanchions 3/32" x 3/32"x 24" 3 strips for oars 1/16" x 3" x 24" 2 sheets for cap rail Edited February 28, 2018 by Tigersteve Fright, Ryland Craze, Elijah and 6 others 9 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fright Posted April 20, 2017 Share #8 Posted April 20, 2017 Steve - many thanks for this detailed materials list! Cheers!!! Elijah, Tigersteve and Nirvana 3 Quote Robert O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted May 5, 2017 Share #9 Posted May 5, 2017 Count me in too! Jesse Elijah, Tigersteve, Nirvana and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted May 13, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 13, 2017 Getting front row. ^^ Nirvana, Elijah and Tigersteve 3 Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted June 5, 2017 A slow start, but here we go...First task was to sand the laser cut sheets. I removed all bulkheads, false keel, keel, and stem. Currently working on creating the rabbet using Chuck's method of pinstripe tape. To create the taper I'm using sanding blocks. Steve Elijah, KenW, Ryland Craze and 12 others 15 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted June 5, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 5, 2017 I like the pinstripe method. Seems like it could be easier than trying to sand down to a drawn line to form the rabbet. Tigersteve, Nirvana and Elijah 3 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted June 9, 2017 The false keel, keel, and stem were glued on top of a piece of glass. There was a slight space between the stem and keel. I added a small bead of glue to seal the gap. Squaring the bulkheads is next. Steve coxswain, EricWilliamMarshall, alde and 14 others 17 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted June 16, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 16, 2017 Looking good! Using glass is a good idea. Tigersteve 1 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted June 16, 2017 Share #15 Posted June 16, 2017 This looks great, following along. Nirvana, Elijah and Tigersteve 3 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted June 17, 2017 Thanks guys! All the bulkheads are squared and braced with wood strips. This is absolutely necessary. The squaring process was more difficult with this one than with the longboat due to the amount of thin bulkheads. I'd say they're about 98% square. The filler pieces and transom have not been added yet. In the photo there is a 1/16" x 1/16" strip that will be used to shim the bulkheads where they meet the bearding line at the stern. Steve Nirvana, hamilton, coxswain and 16 others 19 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 17, 2017 Share #17 Posted June 17, 2017 Looking all very shipshape Steve, mine's starting to look a little shop soiled now Do you intend to fit a jig so that you can work on her inverted? B.E. Elijah, Nirvana and Tigersteve 3 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted June 17, 2017 Thanks B.E.! I will not be creating an additional jig. I don't think I'll need it. Fairing is next. Steve Elijah, Ryland Craze and Nirvana 3 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted June 30, 2017 Shaping the sheer planks is providing a large challenge. In the meantime, I've included a photo of the transom installation, which took place after the hull was faired. The extra strips will be removed after the first planks are installed. Additional fairing will be needed at that point. Steve Fright, Blue Ensign, CaptainSteve and 8 others 11 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted July 1, 2017 To create the curve and shape of the starboard sheer plank, I created a slight edge-bend for the part of the plank that wraps around the bow. It really is counter-intuative how this plank must bend towards the keel. The plank is then bent and twisted around the bow. The tip of the plank is cut at a slight angle and sanded on one side for a tight fit into the rabbet. After a satisfactory fit at the bow, the remaining curve of the sheer is created. Some additional fairing was needed at the bow and the rabbet scraped a bit deeper. Several rounds of dry heat were applied for bending and shaping. Hard Maple is nice to work with. It's very rigid and doesn't dent when clamped like basswood. A photo is shown of the second dry fit before the plank was glued. During the dry fit stage, I also add heat to "relax" the plank into shape. Steve coxswain, IgorSky, Elijah and 15 others 18 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted July 1, 2017 Share #21 Posted July 1, 2017 That looks good Steve👍 B. E. Tigersteve 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted July 1, 2017 Share #22 Posted July 1, 2017 Hola Steve: Your ship is getting nice Saludos, Karl Tigersteve 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Posted July 2, 2017 Share #23 Posted July 2, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:54 AM, Tigersteve said: Thanks guys! All the bulkheads are squared and braced with wood strips. This is absolutely necessary. The squaring process was more difficult with this one than with the longboat due to the amount of thin bulkheads. I'd say they're about 98% square. The filler pieces and transom have not been added yet. In the photo there is a 1/16" x 1/16" strip that will be used to shim the bulkheads where they meet the bearding line at the stern. Steve Nice jig! Much better than the "Fair-a-Frame". Tigersteve, Ryland Craze, coxswain and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted July 3, 2017 Author Share #24 Posted July 3, 2017 Thank you for all the likes and comments. The port side plank has been shaped and installed. I spent a lot of time trying to get these two planks symmetrical. After installation, I removed the braces at the transom. Additional fairing in this area will be next along with lining off the hull. Shims were created and faired with the bulkheads to repair a piece that broke earlier in the build. Steve Duanelaker, Ryland Craze, CaptainSteve and 15 others 18 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share #25 Posted July 15, 2017 The garboard was formed by edge-bending the neighboring streak. I used this plank to trace the curve onto the garboard, cut, and sand into shape. These streaks were easy to form and glue into place. What has been stunting progress is the installation of the neighboring streak. Having trouble getting a tight, flush fit and getting the proper shape into the rabbet. I believe a couple bulkheads are over-faired and slight shimming needs to take place. You'll notice tick marks placed, but these will be redone after the next streaks are in place. Side note- at this point this project is more difficult than the longboat. ;-) Steve alde, Seventynet, Duanelaker and 18 others 21 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted July 16, 2017 Share #26 Posted July 16, 2017 Hi Steve: A lot of hair-raising work here - these parts must be extremely sensitive and prone to breaking....but the results are really great. hamilton Elijah, Tigersteve, Seventynet and 1 other 4 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch) under the bench: Admiralty Echo cross-section; MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share #27 Posted July 16, 2017 Thank you! The basswood parts are fragile- especially at this thickness. The hard maple strips I'm using for this project are much better for creating the severe curves required for this boat. However, I have broken a couple in discovering the breaking point of the strips. Steve Seventynet, EricWilliamMarshall, hamilton and 3 others 6 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventynet Posted July 16, 2017 Share #28 Posted July 16, 2017 Lovely precise work Steve. I'm pulling up a deck chair to watch. Ian Justin P., Fright and Tigersteve 3 Quote Builds in progress - Hayling Hoy Builds completed - Naval Cutter Cheerful - by Syren Ship Model Company - Cape Cod Catboat - by Bluejacket - Gokstad - by Dusek - Ship's Boat - by Dusek - Brazzera - by MarisStella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted July 25, 2017 The first six bulkheads were shimmed port and starboard. This allowed the next plank from the garboard a better fit into the rabbet. The port side plank remains to be fitted. After this is complete the hull will be lined off. Each plank fitted is a small victory. Steve IgorSky, Chuck, Ryland Craze and 18 others 21 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted July 25, 2017 Share #30 Posted July 25, 2017 Looking very nice, Steve! Mike Elijah, Tigersteve and Henry Lemanis 3 Quote Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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