Sjors Posted August 24, 2017 Share #31 Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Wow, What Michael is saying.....excellent planking! Almost a shame to put a little blue on her... Give us a indication where you want that blue. When we can see it ,we can give you an answer 🤣 Sjors Edited August 25, 2017 by Sjors EJ_L and mtaylor 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share #32 Posted August 27, 2017 May I say thank you for all the brilliant comments Guys and the likes I have been scratching my head on how far down to paint the blue as there seems to be a lot of debate on where it stops? So I have gone down to the top of the middle gun deck just to see what it looked like and I must admit I like it so have fitted the first whale. The instructions say just to butt up the joints but I have done them with scarfs as it looks a lot better. Thanks for following Martyn cristikc, Bob Frysztak, Hubac's Historian and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted August 27, 2017 Share #33 Posted August 27, 2017 Hi Martyn. Shame on you for painting such excellent planking.. Yes I agree the scarf joint looks 100% better than a butt joint. Well done U. Regards Antony. EJ_L, Bob Frysztak and mtaylor 3 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share #34 Posted August 27, 2017 Hanging my head in shame as we speak Anthony lol thank you very much for the great comments. I did look at it and think l love the colour of the wood but have bit the bullet and painted on the blue as the carvings are really great and the blue will make them pop cheers for looking in my friend Martyn mtaylor, EJ_L, Hubac's Historian and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 27, 2017 Share #35 Posted August 27, 2017 I will wait for the result before i give a comment... But I agree with Anthony. On the other hand, it looks great. Sjors mtaylor, EJ_L and AntonyUK 3 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted August 27, 2017 Share #36 Posted August 27, 2017 Martyn, I have been told by a couple of people with far more knowledge than myself on Soleil Royal that the blue would have only extended down to the top of the 6th wale from the bottom. I had the same question on my build as my plans show it going to the 5th wale but paintings that I have seen only show it to the 6th. Your planking does indeed look very good and you are smart to switch from butt joints to scarfs as that is the correct practice and forms a much stronger joint. AntonyUK 1 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share #37 Posted August 27, 2017 Thanks guys I am really having a bad time deciding how far to go down with the paint as I love the wood finish and if I paint it there will be no going back if I didn't like it time to ponder I think but thanks for the info EJ From the very confused Martyn mtaylor and NMBROOK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted August 27, 2017 Share #38 Posted August 27, 2017 Martyn the Confused, Two things t keep in mind when you are having this debate are: 1. No one knows exactly what she looked like. We only have some artistic renderings of her to go off of and while yes, they are credible and come from notable artists of the time, they are by no means absolute nor do they clarify which version they are of as she underwent many changes of appearance during her career. 2. Ultimately this is your model. Unless you are under contract by a historical society or museum, (in which case congratulations) then this is a model whose purpose is to please your eye and not necessarily be historically accurate. Paint as much blue as you would like on her and be happy in your decision! BLACK VIKING, Bob Frysztak, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share #39 Posted August 27, 2017 Cheers EJ for the support I am going on holiday tomorrow with my family for a week so will have plenty of time to think about it I might carry on with the rest of the whales and see if it looks OK in blue or wood rgd Martyn mtaylor and EJ_L 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CédricL Posted August 28, 2017 Share #40 Posted August 28, 2017 11 hours ago, EJ_L said: Martyn the Confused, Two things t keep in mind when you are having this debate are: 1. No one knows exactly what she looked like. We only have some artistic renderings of her to go off of and while yes, they are credible and come from notable artists of THEIR time, they are by no means absolute nor do they clarify which version they are of as she underwent many changes of appearance during her career. In fact, as built in 1669; as refitted for the battle of Beachy Head in 1690 (when he took part at the battle with unfinished carvingsand probably painted pearl grey due to lack of time) and as rebuilt in 1692 till destroyed . Note that blue was quite a really expensive color then, it's also possible that the upper sides of the ship were painted red ! Blue being then reserved for the royal coats on the poop. But there is no evidence about that fact. 2. Ultimately this is your model. Unless you are under contract by a historical society or museum, (in which case congratulations) then this is a model whose purpose is to please your eye and not necessarily be historically accurate. Paint as much blue as you would like on her and be happy in your decision! You're perfectly right !! Good morning EJ_L and Black Viking, To add some confusion, I completed EJ_L's comment. Also four your information about the scarfs, the ratio length/height must be 4 to 1. Both vertical cuts in the wale must each have 1/4 of the height of the wale. Have a nice day ! EJ_L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted August 28, 2017 Share #41 Posted August 28, 2017 Hi Martyn. No don't think about this kinda stuff on your holiday.....it will drive you nuts and ruin you holiday. Im'e with EJ with the colours. Regards Antony. EJ_L and mtaylor 2 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted August 28, 2017 Share #42 Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Cedric, thanks for the clarifications. I was not sure how many times she had been refitted. I was thinking three but wasn't for certain. Also the information on the wale scarfs is new to me. I tend to go past the 1/4 mark and push closer to half way more often on my build. I will start adjusting to the correct way. I also wonder how often the color was changed during sea repairs. This could be a question for any ship of the era but as its been said, blue was an expensive color and I highly doubt the ship would have carried enough to repaint that much surface while at sea so would she have become spotted with other colors such as the pearl grey you mentioned or more probably the blue was used only around the royal coats? We will probably never know and it seems like more and more questions keep popping up. Makes me want to dive into some more nautical history books. I can see the good ship Visa is going to have to go back out to sea soon! Edited August 28, 2017 by EJ_L mtaylor 1 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #43 Posted September 9, 2017 Thanks you all for the comments and the support guys. A bit more work done on the SR . I have planked the beak and the keel as I didn't like the dark brown stain . Next job fitting the rudder. The pintails and hinges were gold plated but I didn't like the colour so have painted them a iron colour with a wash of brown then on to fitting the strakes down the side. I am really pleased on how this is turning out and have decided not too paint further down the hull as I think it looks ok Thanks for following Martyn Sjors, mtaylor, Robin Lous and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted September 9, 2017 Share #44 Posted September 9, 2017 Hi Martin. OK a change of mind.... I now like the blue. Stunning work on fitting the strakes with scrafs joints. Regards Antony. BLACK VIKING, EJ_L and mtaylor 3 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted September 9, 2017 Share #45 Posted September 9, 2017 She is looking good Martyn. I will echo the comment about your scarf joints that they are well made. I also like the paint you have done and agree with you to not go any lower. Looking forward to the next update! mtaylor, md1400cs, BLACK VIKING and 1 other 4 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #46 Posted September 9, 2017 Wow thanks for the brilliant comments Anthony and EJ Butting up the strakes just wouldn't cut it oops sorry about the pun but seriously I am really pleased with how it's gone, once there finished a light sand and a coat of varnish and that's it mtaylor, md1400cs, AntonyUK and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted September 9, 2017 Share #47 Posted September 9, 2017 Martyn, Yes looking awesome indeed. Really enjoying following along. Your work is super precise and well articulated. Cheers, EJ_L, BLACK VIKING and mtaylor 3 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #48 Posted September 9, 2017 Thank you so much for the comments Michael really appreciated from such a talented builder like yourself as your Vasa is stunning Martyn md1400cs, EJ_L and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share #49 Posted September 18, 2017 A little bit more done on the SR I have rigged the cannons on the middle deck as the cross deck goes over the top so would be impossible to rigg them. The blocks are only two mm long so had to make them myself as the instructions only show the breaching ropes and no out haul ropes . Not to sure whether these were fitted with in haul tackle or not? Thanks for all the comments and likes. Martyn mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share #50 Posted September 18, 2017 Oops sorry forgot to put the pictures on coxswain, John Allen, Anthony Burnside and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share #51 Posted September 21, 2017 Thank you all for the likes I have finished fitting the the cross deck and the in-haul tackle, and my I say thank you to Henry and Jud for the information on the in-hauls . Next job doing it over again on the other side Thanks for following, Martyn Sjors, NMBROOK, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share #52 Posted October 1, 2017 Thanks for the likes and for following . I have now finished fitting the cannons and rigging the in-hauls , yippee The crew have been recruited and have turned up. The captain and first officer with two of the sailors have been painted but a few more to go so will post pics when completed. Next job fitting the rails to the upper side See you later Martyn md1400cs, Robin Lous, EJ_L and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share #53 Posted October 7, 2017 Thank you all for the likes and for looking in A little more work done on the deck furniture I have made the ladders and cat heads and painted the windows to the cabins Next job fitting the capping rails to the top of the bulwarks Martyn md1400cs, Sjors, coxswain and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share #54 Posted October 15, 2017 Thanks for the likes every one. A lot more done on the SR . The rails are now fitted and the columns painted gold. Next up the stern galleries. I glued them into the slots and lined them up and left them over night to dry . The curved peace was glued to the lower gallery and while that was drying I started on the windows on the stern. These were a bit boring to look at so I have added a door frame and painted the panels under the windows blue with gold trim. Next job will be finishing the rest of the galleries hopefully in the next couple of days Thanks for looking Martyn MichaelB, md1400cs, EJ_L and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappto Posted October 15, 2017 Share #55 Posted October 15, 2017 Work going straight forward, it is one of favourite ship for me, good luck! EJ_L and BLACK VIKING 2 Quote Current build: Mamoli - La gloire 1778 Finished builds: Mamoli - Friesland 1663 Mamoli - Lexington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelB Posted October 15, 2017 Share #56 Posted October 15, 2017 Martyn, Great work so far! Your work looks very clean and smooth. Excited to follow your progress. EJ_L and BLACK VIKING 2 Quote Michael Current build: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Completed builds: Indian Girl Canoe - Midwest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted October 16, 2017 Share #57 Posted October 16, 2017 Very nice work. Clean and I like the extra details you added under the stern windows. BLACK VIKING 1 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #58 Posted October 17, 2017 Thanks Zappto Michael and EJ for the brilliant comments and also the likes. I made a mistake by saying that the stern was boring as I should have read through the instructions as there are carved columns that go between the windows. So have painted them gold with a wash of brown to bring out the carvings and glued them in place. Still working on the galleries but slowly getting there. Thanks for looking , Martyn Sjors, coxswain, EJ_L and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share #59 Posted October 22, 2017 Thanks for the likes everyone I have now completed the stern galleries and have painted them . They were a real fiddle to do with lots of bending to get the right shape but really happy with them . Next job knightsheads and bitts Cheers for looking Martyn EJ_L, md1400cs, Sjors and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Morrison Posted October 22, 2017 Share #60 Posted October 22, 2017 Excellent job so far! I really like your Sovereign! Can you post a photo of her transom? Thanks! Bill BLACK VIKING and EJ_L 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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