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When I installed the first "parrel" on the main mast, it was really difficult because it's hard to keep the rib/bead assembly stable until you get some tension on the threads -- but it's hard to do that when the assembly isn't stable.

 

The pictures below show a method that worked well.  The number of ribs is odd, so I isolate the middle rib and glue it to the mast.  That allows for the ribs/beads on each side to be snugged up and glued at the last rib.  When that's done on both sides, the parrel assembly is stable and fixed to the mast, ready for tying on the yard.

 

By the way, the drawings show an 11 rib assembly (two-tier) for the upper main mast yard, but that's too much for the diameter of the upper mast.  I found that seven ribs worked well for that.

 

Best regards,

David

 

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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On my computer, it looks like the pics above loaded out of sequence.  The intended sequence is 1, 4, 3, 2.

David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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I now have the yardarms up and the masts fixed.  The yardarms have some play in them (particularly the lateen yards), and they will get aligned during rigging.

 

Now on to that!

 

Best regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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Having completed the mast rigging, I started on the shrouds today, and following the plans, used the approach of looping a shroud around the mast and attaching two deadeyes.  The issue that arises is getting the upper deadeyes on the shrouds precisely aligned, so that they look really nice.

 

I rigged the first deadeye, but found that if I left the loop around the mast loose, it was impossible to get the right length on the second one and maintain a good tension.  So I tensioned the first one, and then fixed it to the mast with glue.  That left the second one firmly fastened to the mast, and then I could line up the second deadeye and attach it to the shroud.  Final alignment achieved by twisting the shroud and then tightening the deadeyes.

 

The result of all that is in the picture below.  But having done this, I think it will be simpler to eliminate the "two deadeye loop", and instead rig them one at a time without connecting the shrouds, by first rigging one deadeye on a shroud, and with tension on the shroud aligning and fastening the deadeye rigging to get the right height, and then pulling on the shroud at the mast to get the right tension, and then fixing that with glue.  Then repeat with a separate, disconnected shroud for the next deadeye, and so forth.  That, I think, will be a simpler and more reliable way to keep the deadeyes aligned and at the right height.

 

All of this makes more sense when one is looking at the plans, but I think one of the points of these build logs is to pass on "here's what I tried", so that's what I'm doing here.

 

Best regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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For those of you who have been following this, I completed the main mast shrouds using the "one shroud at a time" approach I mentioned above, and in terms of getting the deadeyes nicely aligned, it worked well and was much easier to manage.  See picture below.

 

Steps:

  1. Attach deadeye to loose shroud
  2. Loosely rig deadeye to the one on the channel, and leave it maybe 3mm above where I want it.
  3. Wrap the shroud around the mast at the crow's nest, create moderate tension, and weight with rigging pliers to hold in place.
  4. Snug down the deadeye rigging until it's aligned.  This puts additional tension on the shroud.  I found that this approach allowed me to adjust up and down until I got the alignment where I wanted it.
  5. Glue the shroud at the crow's nest
  6. Check final deadeye alignment, dress the rigging around the shroud and glue.

This goes fairly quickly.  On the plans, Chris Watton ties the two strands on each shroud loop together up at the mast, so that the shrouds won't cross.  I found that I had to wrap them around the mast in the same direction in order to avoid crossing.

 

As the picture shows, I'm now doing the ratlines on these shrouds before moving to the other masts.  I want to see how this "one at a time" approach works when I get up close to the crow's nest and when I have to rig the futtock shrouds.  More on that when I get there, which may be when I get back from a week away.

 

Best regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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I haven't had as much progress because I was away on vacation last week, but with that said, I'm into shrouds and ratlines, and ratline rigging is SLOW!

 

Here's a picture of the ratlines on one side of the main mast, which is all I've been able to finish since I last posted almost two weeks ago.  I have installed the 1mm wire at the top for the futtock shrouds.  I found the drawings for that difficult to understand at first, but I think I have them now (with the help of the really terrific 3D rotating picture Amati supplies online).

 

When I bought this model, I also bought the Amati Loom-a-Line, thinking that it would make the shrouds and ratlines easier and neater, but it's clear that these shrouds need to have the ratlines rigged on the boat given the deadeye setup, and I imagine that's true for most high end models.  So a question for any of you who have been down this road a few times:  when can the Loom-a-Line be used?  Scratch builds only?  Never for a kit model?

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David Robinson

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Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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I finished the lower shrouds on the main mast, including the futtock shrouds.  It took me a while to figure out the drawing on the rigging for that.

 

The first picture is the block and deadeye assembly that goes between the shrouds at the top.  The deadeyes are rigged to a piece of wire at the top of the shroud that runs parallel to the ratlines.  Then the assembly is snugged up with the line you see here to create some tension on the shrouds and give support to the futtock shrouds.

 

The second picture shows the assembly in place with the futtock shrouds done.  I can't tell from the 3D picture of the Revenge if there is much tension drawing the shrouds in as I have done, but I thought it looked good, so I put the tension on them you see here.  The futtock shrouds are also rigged to that piece of wire on each side.
 

Now on to another mast and more shrouds and ratlines.  

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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The lower shrouds are finally done (see picture).  I think at this point I could tie ratlines in my sleep with both hands tied behind my back.  :)

 

Leaving tomorrow for a 2 week cruise with my wife -- then back to tackle the upper shrouds and the rigging beyond that.

 

Best regards,

David

 

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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I think this "fan shaped" rigging from the mizzen to the main shroud has a nice look to it.  Took some care to keep everything lined up on both sides of the main mast.

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

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Hi David.

Excellent progress and workmanship.

Your rigging is first class. 

 

Regards Antony.

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Antony -- You are very kind.  Thanks.

 

I'm mostly trying to keep from going blind peering through the shrouds and ratlines now.  :-)

 

Best regards,

David

David Robinson

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Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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My wife is fond of the nautical term "jury rig" when referring to my "around the house" handyman skills, as in "Oh God, you're not going to do another one of your jury rigged things!"

 

So I had to apply that instinct today on the Revenge.  If you look at the first two pictures, the foremast yard lift rigs down to a knighthead that is installed on a lower deck, and you have to rig it through the hatch.  The instructions at a much earlier step (like two months ago) say to drill holes in the knighthead before installing, and I did, but they weren't large enough.  After many tries, I was stuck, as I had no way to enlarge them down through the hatch, and I couldn't get the line through, even with CA stiffener.

 

While the wonderful 3D pic of the Revenge shows that hatch cover ajar and off to the side, it has a square hole in it for this rigging, and I had decided to rig through the hatch and close it, just for fun, which meant that the knighthead wouldn't be visible.

 

So I jury rigged the brass wire fitting you see in the third picture, and attached the threads to the wire loop as in the fourth picture.  The last two pics show the hatch closed.

 

The big downside of this is that the lines don't run parallel as they would if I had used the knighthead, and so it doesn't look as elegant, but I got the rigging done and the main mast lift and others will look better, as all of the knightheads are on deck and easier to access.

 

For any of you who are at an earlier stage of the Revenge, the booklet instructions for that knighthead are on page 46, and the instructions call for 1 mm holes.  I would go larger -- as large as you can get away with while doing 3-across.

 

Live and learn.

 

Regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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Re my previous post:  here's the rigging for the main mast lower yard.  The kinghthead is on the main deck, and I was able to thread the rigging and adjust and tighten it.  The picture here shows what this rigging is supposed to look like (that I didn't quite get on my foremast rig).

 

Regards,

David

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David Robinson

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Another interesting and good-looking piece of the rigging.  This is the foremast upper yard lift.

 

All of the elements you see are free to slide back & forth in the blocks, so getting it all even was something of an engineering challenge that required some planning regarding how to rig it up.  It's more difficult because the only point of downward tension on the large black horizontal stay was the tackle you see over the center of the three hatches.  That didn't provide enough tension on the right side of the rigging.

 

So I noticed that I had installed a block (per the original plans for that stay) that didn't seem to be on the yard lift diagrams, and it's also missing in the 3D pictures, so I "hijacked" it and installed the rigging on the right that runs down to the right hand hatch and provides downward tension to the right side of the rigging.  This gave me the support needed to put enough tension on the rigging that the "fans" look decent.  If it turns out I need that block, I can always cut that added tension line (it's attached to the hatch by hooks).

 

I tried to keep the upward bow out of the large black stay, but it's not really possiible to do that and get enough tension on the rigging -- and I noticed that there is some of it on the 3D pictures, so I guess it's OK.

 

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David Robinson

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Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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On Wednesday, October 04, 2017 at 12:16 AM, drobinson02199 said:

My wife is fond of the nautical term "jury rig" when referring to my "around the house" handyman skills, as in "Oh God, you're not going to do another one of your jury rigged things!"

Sounds like my skipper. 

 

Regards Antony.

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The lateen yard lifts are the "fan shaped" type (does anyone know if there is a nautical term for this?  I couldn't find one).  That fan shaped rigging requires tension to look nice, and in the rigging diagrams there were a lot of rigging elements pulling the yards in the same direction as the lifts do, but nothing I could find (including on the 3D pictures) that provided an offsetting tension.  In the absence of that offset, the fans would all sag and it would be very difficult to keep the lateen yards parallel.

 

So I have added the three stays you see in the picture marked with yellow arrows, and that worked well and I could tension and adjust the fans.

 

The other modification I made was to use 6-spoke fans vs. the 5-spoke ones called for on the plans.  From the prior fan rigging, which also called for 5, what I found is that the glue needed to hold a single thread in the lowest spreader hole stiffens that thread just enough to make it really hard to get the fan spokes to tension evenly and look nice.  So I just went to 6-spoke fans, which keeps glue off the spreader and off the spokes, and provides a better look to the fans.

 

Regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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The Revenge is complete!  Pictures below.

 

For anyone thinking about this kit, a strong endorsement from me.  Really terrific materials and instructions -- and really interesting to build.

 

Now a bit of a breather and then the King of the Mississippi by Artesania Latina.

 

Regards,

David

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David Robinson

Boston, MA area

 

Completed:  Constructo J.S. Elcano, Artesinia Latina Sanson, Dumas Mt. Washington, Bluejacket Nantucket, Amati Revenge, Artesania Latina  King of the Mississippi, 

Amati Grand Banks Heritage 46, Amati HMS Fly, Amati Titanic, Dumas Chris Craft Commuter, Mantua Cutty Sark, Mantua Bruma, Kolderstok Batavia, Vanguard Models HM Cutter Alert, Caldercraft HMS Victory, Dumas USCG Fast Response Cutter

 

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Very nicely done David, a great result.:)

Re; your earlier question about the 'fan shaped' rigging, these attachments were called Crowsfeet, and reached the height of complication in the 17th century.

Getting them to look right without pulling other rigging out of alignment where there is nothing to tension the lines against is one of the more tricky aspects of rigging ships of this period.

One approach is to stiffen the 'Crowsfeet' with either diluted pva or wallpaper paste before putting tension on them. Small weights as a counter are attached to the line to which the Crowsfeet are to be attached to which sufficient tension is then applied to keep them straight whilst stiffening. Once they stand erect on their own, they can be carefully rigged.

 

Regards,

 

B.E.

 

 

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Congratulations, looks fantastic, 

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Sorry to have missed this earlier Don, just saw your gallery pictures.  Fantastic work, thanks very much for sharing!

Mike

 

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