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I'll tree nail the deck with 0,5 mm walnut (the planks are 4 mm wide).

right decision (in my opinion)

 

Robin,

Are you really sure about this grating??:o

 

 

 

Regards, Patrick

 

Finished :  Soleil Royal Heller 1/100   Wasa Billing Boats   Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch)   Pelican / Golden Hind  1/45 scratch

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Gallery Revell Bounty  Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch

To do Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal 

 

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I'm not sure of course, but these photo's (and others, but copyright) show the grating I made...

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Is there a grating expert in da house? :unsure:

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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The Wasa from Michael. 

Always interesting 

 

Regards, Patrick

 

Finished :  Soleil Royal Heller 1/100   Wasa Billing Boats   Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch)   Pelican / Golden Hind  1/45 scratch

Current build :  Mary Rose 1/50 scratch

Gallery Revell Bounty  Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch

To do Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal 

 

Shore leave,  non ship models build logs :  

ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72    Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72   Autoblinda AB40 1/72   122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72   10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e)  Centurion Mk.1 conversion   M29 Weasel 1/72     SAM6 1/72    T26 Finland  T26 TN 1/72  Autoprotetto S37 1/72     Opel Blitz buses 1/72  Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72   Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72    

 

Si vis pacem, para bellum

 
 
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I checked Witsen

 

He describes grating as you made them: 

the lower layer, measured about two inches high, two wide, 

the upper layer nailed on top, battens half inch thick, about 3 inch wide, 

I guess the lower layer is around two-three inches apart.

 

so you would be correct, as soon as you follow the advice of Hans: sand back until zero thickness :)

 

jan

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Thanks gentlemen!

 

I already sand the top layer down to approx 0,5 mm...will sand it to half that thickness.

The Batavia grating is remarkably close to what the Duyfken builders did. Frugal Dutch not so fancy gratings. :D

 

Thanks again for your help!

 

Robin :)

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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I finished planking the centre part of the deck.

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And I used this photo to make the mast foot...

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Because the caulking between these planks is very wide, I used 0,4 mm thin walnut strips for this.

After all...the walnut tree nails I'll use on the deck are not tree nails, but is also caulking, so it does match.

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The wider/heavier planks (Dutch: schaarstokken) next to the centre part shown here also...not in place...just to show them.

I painted the sides of the deck planks with dark smoke brown (Vallejo 70.939).

 

Tree nailing this part of the deck is next...I hope I can nail this (lol), it can make or break the look of the deck. Very scary job!

 

More soon,

 

Robin :)

 

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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Nice work Robin. You can try out the look of treenailing applying dots with a soft pencil - you'll set the positions for your nails at the same time ... if it is not to your liking you only have to remove the pencil marks ...

Carl

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the mast foot looks very good.......as does your grating.   I thought you nailed it according to the picture you showed......don't understand what all the fuss was about ;)    if you plan to keep the decking a lighter color,  then you'll do well with the tree nailing......but if you plan a darker finish,  you may lose some of the appeal.  depending on the scale,  some elect not to......but with the width of planking your using,  you should do well with it  ;)    she's look'in great so far.

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Thanks gents!

 

It works! It works!

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But...but...I need about 1000 of them...oh dear. :unsure:

 

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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Very tidy  looking really nice.

 

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Those tree nails will be a long and tedious venture but it looks like it will be well worth the effort. Looking good!!

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Robin, are you planning to place part S (schot) later? Because the deck has to be planked up to this part and I noticed you haven't placed it so far.

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Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships.

 

Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available   

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9 hours ago, *Hans* said:

Robin, are you planning to place part S (schot) later? Because the deck has to be planked up to this part and I noticed you haven't placed it so far.

I do part 5 a bit later...I made the planks longer there, so I can cut them to match the cabin wall. 

 

Minor update..

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More soon,

 

Robin:)

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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Well Carl, the only way I could think of to make the tree nails....

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On 16-11-2017 at 4:18 AM, EJ_L said:

Those tree nails will be a long and tedious venture but it looks like it will be well worth the effort. Looking good!!

It is tedious, but only making the tree nails...the rest goes reasonably quick and easy.

Marking the place with a pencil, the drilling, placing (with a drop of PVA on the tip), cutting and sanding...all no problem at all.

Just sharpening those 1x1 mm walnut strips takes most of the time. I do a batch of about 40 in 30 minutes....just the sticks.

 

Where I am now...

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By trial and error I learned it's far more easy to use longer punji sticks.

 

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The cutting off with a cutter or a pair of decal scissors, filing and sanding is done in minutes.

 

It's all fine, because I think it is worth the effort and because it's 1/50 scale the 0,5 mm tree nails don't look too oversized.

A lot of it will be hidden underneath the foreccastle and the quarter deck, but well...I do those also. :D

 

138 done! 

 

More soon, 

Robin :)

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WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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On ‎13‎.‎11‎.‎2017 at 9:17 PM, amateur said:

I checked Witsen

 

He describes grating as you made them: 

the lower layer, measured about two inches high, two wide, 

the upper layer nailed on top, battens half inch thick, about 3 inch wide, 

I guess the lower layer is around two-three inches apart.

 

so you would be correct, as soon as you follow the advice of Hans: sand back until zero thickness :)

 

jan

I' am probably a bit late to the Party, but here a Photo I took on the Batavia which shows the dimensions..

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Cheers,

Udo

 

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Thanks guys,

 

I now finished the centre part of the deck planking...including the wider planks (schaarstokken) these wider planks don't have nails in them.

Different from the manual. After checking photo's these planks are wider, but not noticeable higher. The manual uses 2 regular planks glued on top of eachother.

I used wider planks...only a fraction thicker.

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232 hecho a mano tree nails used so far.

 

I can now continue the planking, but near the sides (in between the frames) it has to wait until after the hull planking.

Frames 4 to 8 will be removed after planking the hull.

 

Slow, but steady...more soon.

 

Robin :)

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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  • 2 weeks later...

Just to show I'm still working on the shipyard...a minor update.

Only very limited shipyard time until January, so things slow down, but I do something daily.

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Most deck planks done, so more nailing trees soon.:P

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I switched from painting the sides of the planks with a brush to dab the paint with a cotton bud.

This goes much faster and it doesn't destroy my paint brushes. I use undiluted acrylic paint, so the paint won't suck into the wood.

 

More soon(ish),

 

Robin :)

 

 

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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Thanks...the deck planking is abachi, the tree nails are walnut.

I picked walnut, because the tree nails are tiny (0,5 mm)

 

I'm not sure what I should do with the hull planking. The planking will be walnut, so no idea what I can use for the tree nails there.

I'm afraid lighter wood will look odd. Walnut on walnut might be subtle, but perhaps hardly visible ( a lot of work for no result?).

WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄

Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72

 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."

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get somthing black. drench your toothpicks in ink so they'll be black all the way through ... just a thought. Have a look at what they do in the scratch build section

Carl

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You can buy brass needles (I think these are from Prym) which are 0,3 or 0,4 mm thick.  But I am not sure if they will be visible in the walnut.

Hans   

 

Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships.

 

Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available   

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Robin,

 

Just found your log - I will also bring my chair. Nice project 

Your deck and tree nails are so excellent.

Good start indeed.

 

Nice to have photos of a replica from which to assist (:-))))

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I have been buying his ropes and blocks over the last two years - his rope quality/color are always consistently excellent. It doesn't matter 

how many separate orders I place.

 

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You could try to stain the tree nail lumber a heavier shade of walnut to make them a darker color. It would still be subtle but I think more noticeable than it they were the same shade.

 

 

"A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor"
- John George Hermanson 

-E.J.

 

Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli

                    Royal Caroline - Panart

Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery

                                           La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery

                                           Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo

                           Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark.

Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch.

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