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MS Katy of Norfolk kit issues and parts replacement

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I just got a used 1/4=1 MS Katy of Norfolk schooner off of ebay the other day and I need some advice on it.  The kit is MISSING the following items:  rings for the sails, the boom/gaff yokes, parrel beads, an anchor the belaying pins they say should be in the kit, the rudder, rudder hinge, rudder bar, keel stem and stern post  instructions that make a modicum of sense. (what's in included is rubbish), blocks and deadeyes that are not 1/8" in size, mastcaps.

What IS in the kit: hull (partly carved), rigging, a packed of itty bitty deadeyes, a packet of really tiny nails, a packet of blocks that a spider couldn't fit a web through the hole, wood for the masts, bowsprit, blocks to carve for the hatch/cabin, two pieces of wood I am guessing I am suppose to make the sternpost, rudder bar and keel stem from, really useless instructions, a packet of itsy bitsy teeny weenie eye pins.

I will use the instructions to make sail templates and then make them from silkspan

So what i need is advice on where to buy the blocks (in bulk), deadeyes (in bulk), anchor, bit heads or belaying pins (in bulk), mast caps (I will probably make these).

The other thing is SIZE of the items needed.  Most everything is in MM out there and I don't know what MM is close to scale for 1/4 inch = 1 foot.

thanks,
Keith


BUILDS : AL Scottish Maid (complete)
             AL Virginia Schooner (under construction)

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Have a look at the main page and sponsors.  You may have to check quite a few and order from multiple places to find what you need.   

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That is very typical of those older solid hull kits.  You get a hull...a few bits of wood sheet and strips and some string.  Then you get a few packs of bad blocks to boot.  Folks expect to get more these days but back then ....that Katy kit was what you usually got.  With the plans you could make those into a great model but the instructions were about 3 pages long and of no help what-so-ever.   Start a build log here and you will get some help as you build her.

 

You can try Syren (link at bottom of my post) for the blocks and rope.

 

Chuck

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Welcome to the world of kit-bashing, even if entering unwillingly! Even many of the newer POF Model Shipways kits were designed so that much of what would have been included as pre-made parts in a typical Euro-kit has to be made from scratch in the MS kit. I can tell you from experience that that was certainly true for the POF version of Katy. Have no fear -- you can do this!

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Thanks all, I appreciate the the votes of confidence.

 

Back to the secondary issue of scale size.  What is the mm size I'm going to want?  The same as for my AL Virginia kit. They are really close in size.

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You just need to use the plans as a guide....and measure the part in imperial or use a ruler with metric.  Then buy what ever is close.  Dont buy based on scale......actually measure the part from the plans.

 

Chuck

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Does anyone know if there are any MS builds in the build logs, I haven't checked there yet to see what others have done.  My internet is sporatic at best.

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If you'll go to the Kit area, there's a pinned topic at top titled:  Quick Find Indexes.  It's a pdf and searchable (and updated regularly) that should help you find any model.   Here's a link if you can't find the topic:  

 

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Given the nature of your questions, it would appear that ship modeling is new to you. Perhaps it would be wise to shelve Katy for now and start with a more modern kit with better instructions until you gain some experience? Once you've built a few models, you'll have a much better idea of how to approach making and/or sourcing the parts you need. If you're determined to press ahead with Katy, Bluejacket, Model Shipways, and Ages of Sail are all good sources for fittings.

 

Cheers -

John

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Most highly recommend Syren Ship Company for rope and blocks. He also carries great deadeyes BUT you need to assemble them your self and I would wait on that. Age of sails has the remainder of the fittings you will need. All that being said you should think about getting the Phantom starter kit from Modelexpo as it comes with the required tools and a reference book. Good luck and enjoy. The above parts recommendation can be used for any kit you get as after market fittings are usually ten times better than what is in the box. What some of these companies refer to as blocks is downright freaking laughable and the Syren blocks are the best on the market.

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Kearnold,

As Chuck has noted, your Katy is typical of the old solid hull kits that used to be common in our hobby.  Don't give up, you can still build a fine model as I believe that MS has provided a fine set of plans prepared by Jim Roberts.  If you send me your e-mail by private message, I will send you my notes, block lists, rigging schedules, etc. from my build.  Note the Katy model pictured below was my 1st wooden ship model built in 2006.

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Anyone have any idea of the standard size of copper rectangle sheeting pieces used on hulls back in the early 1800's?  We're they 3'x2'?  12"x10"? 

I'm trying to decide what size copper adhesive tabs I want to get for my 1/4 scale.

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Ahoy everyone,

Concerning the flying stay sail on the Katy of Norfolk: can anyone enlighten me were on the fore mast to place the small block (3/32) for the down haul and the bulls eye for the upper tack? 

Thanks for your help.

Ulrich

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