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Hey everyone.  I was walking around a hobby shop yesterday looking for something to keep me busy. I've been looking for a hobby for years and after finding the wooden ship kits yesterday I can't stop watching YouTube videos in it. I'm completely intimidated though. I was looking at the San Francisco II Galleon S.XVI by Artesania Latina. Id like to start with a plank on bulk head model. I'm also wondering if I need a plank bender and other tools. The guy at my hobby shop only mentioned hobby knife , glue and sand paper. I would love some suggestions on a kit to start with that either includes tools I need or a model kit and maybe a link to a recommended tool kit. I've never attempted a wooden ship kit, so any other websites or essentials you want to share would be great.  I've been bookmarking websites as I find them. Thanks Rob 

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Hello Illinois. I was born and raised until 18 in Chicago. I started with Model Expo. They have starter combos and will replace parts if you mess up. Look for them online or try youtube. 

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I always recommend a beginner start off with a kit from Midwest Products. They're out of production now, but still plenty in circulation on eBay. They have a lot of things going for them:

 

1. cheap

2. nearly fool-proof designs

3. very thorough and detailed instructions

4. inexpensive

5. complete list of all tools needed

6. great introduction to working with wood

7. don't cost an arm and a leg

8. don't take a year to complete

9. look great when finished

10. you're only out a few bucks if you decide you don't like the hobby.

 

Did I mention that they're cheap? Try one -- you'll like it!

 

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After watching the YouTube videos by Gary B, I was thinking of ordering that bluenose from model expo along with their tool kit and possibly the paints. Not sure if I'd be starting off too complicated.

Also is 

HOW TO BUILD FIRST RATE SHIP MODELS FROM KITS

By Ben Lankford. 

Worth me ordering also?

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Welcome Rob! It might seem a good idea to set yourself up with a comprehensive kit of tools, but I recommend just the few really obvious tools to begin with.  You can add other tools as you come to need them.  And on-line shopping helps in this regard. 

My current project is restoring a one metre long 3-masted square rigger (118 years old) and my most frequently used tool is a a pair of fine angle-tipped tweezers.  Often I find that it is neccessary also to make up suitable tools or jigs for specific jobs.  To me it is all part of the challenge.  My very best wishes for success in your modelling. Paul (Auckland NZ)

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Rob:

That book by Lankford is good and useful.  Also look at Planking the Built-up Ship Model Jim Roberts (MSB113) at Model Expo.  Both books are must haves for beginners.

I can't recommend Model Expo's paints - very thick and the only paint that I have never been able to use in an airbrush - you can't thin the pigment size down.  Contact me at my regular email about paints.

Look at the various build logs here on the Bluenose to guide you as you go.  Also download the instruction book for it now and look it over.

Kurt

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1 hour ago, ikkypaul said:

Welcome Rob! It might seem a good idea to set yourself up with a comprehensive kit of tools, but I recommend just the few really obvious tools to begin with.  You can add other tools as you come to need them.  And on-line shopping helps in this regard. 

My current project is restoring a one metre long 3-masted square rigger (118 years old) and my most frequently used tool is a a pair of fine angle-tipped tweezers.  Often I find that it is neccessary also to make up suitable tools or jigs for specific jobs.  To me it is all part of the challenge.  My very best wishes for success in your modelling. Paul (Auckland NZ)

Thanks Paul. Do you think I need a plank bender and nail nailer?

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19 hours ago, Rob206 said:

Thanks Paul. Do you think I need a plank bender and nail nailer?

Welcome to MSW.

 

Plank bending can be done with soaking or steaming the wood.  If soaking, use hot water.  Once pliable, clamp into plasce.

Nailer?  Depends if you leave the nails in place.  Some folks drill a small hole and then insert the nail (or better yet, wooden treenails) for the planking.

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23 hours ago, Rob206 said:

HOW TO BUILD FIRST RATE SHIP MODELS FROM KITS

By Ben Lankford. 

Worth me ordering also?

    That was one of my first reference books and still one of my favorites. :dancetl6:  Some of the more confusing details are explained so that a novice can understand them.  Another book that is also good for beginners is Ship Modeling Simplified by Frank Mastini.

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On 7/10/2018 at 4:30 PM, Rob206 said:

After watching the YouTube videos by Gary B, I was thinking of ordering that bluenose from model expo along with their tool kit and possibly the paints. Not sure if I'd be starting off too complicated.

Also is 

HOW TO BUILD FIRST RATE SHIP MODELS FROM KITS

By Ben Lankford. 

Worth me ordering also?

A schooner is a good starter model.  The rig is relatively simple and everything is relatively easy to get to.  Model Expo makes really nice kits.  They are excellent to learn on.

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10 minutes ago, ccoyle said:

The hull form and rigging of Bluenose will be far easier for a first-time modeler to do. Just a friendly warning. :-)

Ok great thank you. I was thinking of asking that next. I'll probably go with the blue nose then. 

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7 hours ago, ccoyle said:

The hull form and rigging of Bluenose will be far easier for a first-time modeler to do. Just a friendly warning. :-)

How will the difficulty of the ME Mayflower compare with the bluenose?

 

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Rob, I'll answer your question, but before I do I have to ask -- have you read the following pinned topic?

 

For Beginners -- A Cautionary Tale

 

As for Bluenose vs. Mayflower, you're talking about a much simpler and easier to plank hull form for Bluenose and a vastly easier rig, also for Bluenose.

 

Allow me to toss out one further word of caution. I know that you have been looking at tool/model combo deals. When I started modeling, I bought a tool kit that supposedly had all the tools I needed in it. I ended up not using a lot of them. Or, after using them for a short while, I ended up buying (and in some cases making) something I liked better.

 

I'll double-down on my recommendation to try a Midwest kit. It will tell you exactly what tools you need (and you may find that you don't even need some of the recommended tools). My first two models were Midwest kits. Each took me about three weeks to complete, and I had a blast. The finished models still have a place of honor in my home.

 

Trust me -- start simple. Don't think of it as having to put off starting on a more challenging kit that you'd rather build -- think of it as a small investment of time and money that will significantly increase your chances of finishing that more challenging build.

 

Cheers!

 

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I just ordered the Bluenose plus the 2 books from model expo.  I held off ordering any paints or tools. I did print the tool list out of instruction book and I think hobby lobby should have anything I need. And I figure I should have some time before I need any paint. I'll just need to get something to hold ship as I build and then a display base when it's finished. Very excited can't wait to start

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Picked up some things at hobby lobby, just need some small c claps and titebond glue. With the advice I've gotten I held off on buying some of the tool list, if I need it down the road I'll pick it up

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That’s a good collection that you’ve got there.  The only addition that I would recommend is a handle for the razor saw.  It’ll make a huge difference when you have to make a large number of cuts.

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For future reference, shop on-line for #11 blades in 100-packs. Much cheaper -- and you will go through them like candy!

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6 hours ago, ccoyle said:

For future reference, shop on-line for #11 blades in 100-packs. Much cheaper -- and you will go through them like candy!

The #11 scalpel blades on model expo will fit in an exacto knife correct? That's a great price too, 100 blades for 17$

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