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2 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said:

If you are using real deadeyes, then I would fix the channels to the hull with steel pins to reinforce them in order to better take the stress of rigging.

The lower linkage arms below the channels are plastic, they have a ball end that glues into a small hole in the hull,  I would hope that these  joins being plastic to plastic using poly cement - will bond well and give enough strength (there is no room to pin them you see).

The deadeyes will have to attached in a manor I haven't worked out yet  - as the push in plastic devices along the edges of the channels are designed for ball and socket type ends of the (kit pre molded all in one shrouds)   but I am going to make my own using threads and wood deadeyes that I also have.

Nothing like a challenge.:o

 

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This is how I could possibly attach the deadeyes to the links on the channels  -  I could drill through the plastic linkages then attach the deadeyes with thick-ish thread around the outer of the deadeyes  and through the drilled out linkages  - I could then tie them and add some glue to the thread to give it some strength.

 

Here's the idea  -

 

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The ball end of the links should be strong enough when glued. The plastic ships I have built used this same method and have held strong during rigging and in the many years since.

 

That is an interesting configuration for the deadeyes. I think what you have drawn is probably the best way to attach them. It will be a pain drilling all the holes but I think the results will be worth it.

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1 minute ago, EJ_L said:

The ball end of the links should be strong enough when glued. The plastic ships I have built used this same method and have held strong during rigging and in the many years since.

 

That is an interesting configuration for the deadeyes. I think what you have drawn is probably the best way to attach them. It will be a pain drilling all the holes but I think the results will be worth it.

Thank  you for putting my mind at rest,    I guess all the extra bits of work will make it worth it in the  end.

 

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If the channels are painted or the hull area where they fit is painted, scrap some of the paint off so you get a good bond. Othewise the glue will stick to the paint and it doesn't take much pressure to pull off the channel and take a large chunk of paint with it.   Don't ask how I know.... :blush:

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11 hours ago, mtaylor said:

If the channels are painted or the hull area where they fit is painted, scrap some of the paint off so you get a good bond. Othewise the glue will stick to the paint and it doesn't take much pressure to pull off the channel and take a large chunk of paint with it.   Don't ask how I know.... :blush:

Thank you kindly mark,   yep I thought of that and made sure the  cutouts in the hull are free of paint, and  also the linkage holes - so it should glue well.

 

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Evening all,    thank you for all the feedback and likes.

 

Right then straight in with it  - I  put two of my wood deadeyes next to the channel linkages and messed around  with different joining methods, I decided not to drill through or use a rope/thread  - I decided to file the linkages a bit, then I glued the deadeyes to the linkage using strong super glue, after they had set I applied more glue around the base of the deadeyes to strengthen them.

I put the assembly aside to set  then I applied a couple of coats of paint  - then once dry it was glued to the hull - making sure the support struts linked up with the holes in the hull.

 

Here is the result minus weathering -

 

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While letting the first small channel set  - I turned my attention to the last row of lid lifting rope/devices, I cut off the ends of the rope  then touched up the paintwork on all of them - now they are all  fitted/painted.

 

Here is a pic  and also a few extra deck pics  -

 

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While on a run  - I decided to have a go at the bowsprit  and creating and fitting a bobstay and tackle,   in the kit there is an assortment  of tackle devices in plastic but nicely formed,   first off  I drilled through the beakhead then secured some thread through it  - to this I attached one of the tackle pieces by a simple knot and touch of glue,   I did the same to the end of the bowsprit, then I ran a length of thread through the tackles to form a link and glued the end with a small knot.

After I  touched up with some black/grey  just needs weathering.

 

Two more pics  -

 

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8 minutes ago, CDW said:

The Admiral must be very pleased OC.

Great photos, too.

Thank you my friend.

 

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5 minutes ago, Wallace said:

Nicely done O.C. Your prep work on those channels will certainly pay off, good job sir. She is looking grand. 

Thank you wallace  - as long as the super glue holds  all should be good.

 

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looking great OC!  :)     nice photo looking forward from the helm :dancetl6:

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39 minutes ago, popeye the sailor said:

looking great OC!  :)     nice photo looking forward from the helm :dancetl6:

Thank you denis.

 

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Good day all,    as always sincere thanks for all the replies and likes,

 

So onwards with the channels  - I continued with my  process  super gluing the deadeyes to the channels, and attaching the chainplate legs  then painting and weathering.

 

I have the two completed on both port and starboard, and also the mainmast channel on the one side.

 

Here are the pics  -

 

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HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

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Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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Hi OC

Fantastic work as always. What happened to the right hand gunport in picture #1? looks like it took a direct hit just above the cannon barrel! 

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30 minutes ago, lmagna said:

Hi OC

Fantastic work as always. What happened to the right hand gunport in picture #1? looks like it took a direct hit just above the cannon barrel! 

Thank you so much lou,   those two ports are left un covered  port and starboard  - reasons unkwown,   but they show it like that on the real thing  -

 

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HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

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Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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Hi OC

Are you going to be rigging the model, if so, as you are supergluing the dead eyes on don't you want to orient them and the holes the right  way round to ease rigging the shrouds when you get there? Sorry just trying to save you some aggro later on!

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2 minutes ago, paulsutcliffe said:

Hi OC

Are you going to be rigging the model, if so, as you are supergluing the dead eyes on don't you want to orient them and the holes the right  way round to ease rigging the shrouds when you get there? Sorry just trying to save you some aggro later on!

Regards

Paul 

To be honest paul  just getting them glued down was a real pig  - I tried the best I could to get them the right way up, I firstly had to to try to file a small flat spot under each deadeye to aid gluing them down with no other securing what so ever, the way I look at it even if the ropes between the  channel / shroud deadeyes are a bit wavy navy  - they will be better than the all in one cast plastic shroud/deadeys assemblies - kind of a  better move even if a bit less precise than pure wood kits with  deadeye chainplates and  etc.

 

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28mm  Battle of Waterloo   attack on La Haye Saint   Diorama.

1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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These are the plastic pre-formed shrouds that come with the model  -

 

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1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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Oh OK definitely agree with you on that one

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Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

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1 minute ago, paulsutcliffe said:

Oh OK definitely agree with you on that one

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Paul

Thanks paul,   I guess there is only so much  scratch building you do to a  plastic kit  - all be it a very very good kit.

 

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28mm  Battle of Waterloo   attack on La Haye Saint   Diorama.

1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

Eduard  1/48  Spitfire IX

ICM    1/48   Seafire Mk.III   Special Conversion

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And you are certainly doing it justice, well done

Regards

Paul

 

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Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

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Cutty Sark-Billings boats

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8 minutes ago, paulsutcliffe said:

And you are certainly doing it justice, well done

Regards

Paul

 

Thank you paul,  the last time I built a period ship  it was  one of those Airfix  plastic  kits  HMS Victory  or  Wasa  I think  - about 45 years ago  straight out of the box.

 

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Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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Really nice work OC.

 

Cheers,

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6 minutes ago, Piet said:

Really nice work OC.

 

Cheers,

Thank You piet.

 

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28mm  Battle of Waterloo   attack on La Haye Saint   Diorama.

1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

Eduard  1/48  Spitfire IX

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Just thought I would add a deck picture.

 

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1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

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On 2/3/2019 at 10:27 AM, Old Collingwood said:

Thank you so much lou,   those two ports are left un covered  port and starboard  - reasons unkwown,   but they show it like that on the real thing  

 

If you look at your deck picture, I think I get why the lonely uncovered port. If I’m not mistaken, the gun for that port is beneath the large stairway to the quarterdeck. So it’s open to the weather, hence no gun port necessary. As to the practicality of a gun postion beneath the stair, well, that remains unknown 

 

ps looking great OC!

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28 minutes ago, BenF89 said:

If you look at your deck picture, I think I get why the lonely uncovered port. If I’m not mistaken, the gun for that port is beneath the large stairway to the quarterdeck. So it’s open to the weather, hence no gun port necessary. As to the practicality of a gun postion beneath the stair, well, that remains unknown 

 

ps looking great OC!

Thank you ben,   yep  that makes sense  with it being open under the staircases.

 

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1/700  HMS Hood   Flyhawk   with  PE, Resin  and Wood Decking.

 

 

 

Completed works.

 

Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic.

HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts.

HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine  plastic.

Black Pearl  1/72  Revell   with  pirate crew.

Revell  1/48  Mosquito  B IV

Eduard  1/48  Spitfire IX

ICM    1/48   Seafire Mk.III   Special Conversion

1/48  Kinetic  Sea Harrier  FRS1

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On 2/3/2019 at 10:29 PM, Old Collingwood said:

the way I look at it even if the ropes between the  channel / shroud deadeyes are a bit wavy navy  - they will be better than the all in one cast plastic shroud/deadeys assemblies

You really think so mate? They are nice 'n tight, lovely straight lines, no wobbly bobbly ...

 

Giv'n the attension you 'ave given 'er so far, t-is about the only choice you've got left for the stan'in' riggin' ...

Carl

"Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson
Search and you might find a log ...

 

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