Spanish ship of the line plans

[Oliver24]

I wonder if there are any accurate plans big Spanish ships from the XVIII-XIX centuries. My understanding is that the plans of the flagship Santissima Trinidad are lost and only paintings or drawings have survived. I still don`t know if the hull was red, yellow or brown as there are several versions...

 

But what about the San Juan Nepomuceno, the San Ildefonso or the Montagnes? Do we have some accurate information about the plans and description of these ships? 

[bruce d]

Hi Oliver,

You might find some useful stuff here ...

 

https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/1789-spanish-ship-plans-rare-scans/

 

Hope this helps,

Bruce

[Oliver24]

Wow! Thank you so much Bruce! There seem to be some plans of the Santissima Trinidad also, however they seem new to me, not the originals

[Katoom]

    This build log should be of interest to you! Amalio might be able to supply you with some good information.

2 hours ago, Oliver24 said:

 

But what about the San Juan Nepomuceno, the San Ildefonso or the Montagnes?

 

[bruce d]

Oliver, one more offering: have you searched keyword 'Spanish' in the National Maritime Museum ship plans collection? There are a few plans there of captured ships, such as the two below. There is also a plan of Montagnes.

 

HTH

Bruce

Edited February 7 by bruce d

[ymperivm]

Hello, the plans of the line ship La Santisima Trinidad, possibly lost in the Napoleonic occupation. It is said, I have never seen him, that they are in a Russian library, or in the Library of the Congress of the United States, they can be. The line ship La Santisima Trinida, was built in Havana, and the archives currently in Havana are not properly classified, or with the entry of the United States were taken to the congress library. In any case, there is an arsenal model in the Naval Museum of Madrid, which is attributed to La Santisima Trinidad. With respect to the line ship, San Juan Nepomuceno, there are models, and even a central section of the master frame, to observe the differences in the constructive system (the French style) Nepomuceno, and the San Genaro (to the English). On the color of the most holy trinity, look for the paintings of the Spanish painter Carlos Parrilla Penagos. He is a great scholar in his paintings. At the Battle of Trafalgar, an English survivor told the Holy Trinity, with red stripes on its batteries and a thin white line between it and the black belts.

[ymperivm]

Stern of the model in Naval Museum of Madrid, San Juán Nepomuceno.

[ymperivm]

Some of the Montañés plans in Naval museum.

[ymperivm]

it is said that in the battle of trafalgar they went the Holy Trinity and Prince of Aturias with vermilion bands in their batteries. But before those battles, like that of Cabo San Vicente, they would have the yellow regulatory color. That's why there are paintings in these two colors.

https://www.google.es/search?q=carlos+parrilla+penagos+santísima+trinidad&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjExeLtx7bgAhXN7eAKHSSMBbcQ_AUIDigB&biw=1366&bih=636

[Oliver24]

Great info Guys! Thank you so much! So it seems that the Santisima Trinidad had indeed two different paintings : yellow and red. I will look closely the British National Museum`s website for captured Spanish ships. Also, the paintings of Carlos Parilla Penagos are beautiful...

[uss frolick]

That plan of Montañés is beautiful!

[uss frolick]

Which six unfortunates would have had their bunks in Montañés's  poop deck-house, and which two in the poop-taferail cupboards? Warrant officers?

 

Note no fixed gunport on the upper gun-deck.

 

I wish auto-correct would stop substituting the word "gunlock" every time I try to write "gundeck"!