Giorgos Posted May 2, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 2, 2013 Hello everyone. As a school teacher I have a good relationship with books, so I read a lot and all kinds of them. However my feelings are particular for folklore books. Recently dropped in my hands, one of those folklore books, titled as "Proti-Antigone" which is referring to Princes' Islands circa the end of 1880. The book especially is focused to the Island with the early Greek name "Antigone" - or «Burgazada» now in Turkish. The author describes the way of life at that time, and in a part of the book, stands in the main occupation of the inhabitants, the fishing. He refers to a special way of fishing, the "gripos" (traine (?) and the particular boats that they were used for this purpose. ........................... According to the book, "gripos" is the way of fishing where two boats in cooperation, were throwing a net to a side of a herd fish and then, paddling (at that time) in coordination, they were leading the herd to a coast with sand, where they were completing the collection of the catch. For this way of fishing, were used special, light and narrow vessels, called as "Gripo-kaika" (gripos-kaiki (or Caique)) because of the special use. ........................... Standing at the section of presentation of these boats, I was surprised as in front of my eyes I had a very detailed description of their construction and decoration. I immediately realized that I had found the motivation and what would be my next model... In my followed research, I found that this type of vessel, apart from the Princes' Islands, were also used in Marmara Sea and therefore by all the surrounding nations. Greeks as (Αλαμάνα-gripos)-Turks as (Alamana) and Bulgarians as (Аламана). ....................................... So I searched and found information by crossing the Aegean Sea. And through these lines, I would like to thank our Turkish modeler mates from the forum “modelteknikleri.com”, for the help they provided me and as a result of collaboration with naftotopos.gr. (For those friends who haven't read my self-presentation, I am an active member of this site.) It was a well shaped and beautiful vessel, with elaborate decoration and it was often used at various events. Sometimes it was rigged with a simple lateen sail, although it was mostly handled by oars. ........................... Next I will present you the construction of a model equipped with oars. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share #2 Posted May 2, 2013 Although I had the plans of the vessel, I preferred to proceed by redrawing the model, a practice I use to follow for all my models. .................... By redrawing a model, I think I can understand better the lines of its shape and maybe feel some of the first idea of its construction… Watching many old and new photos, I made quite a few drawings (3-4) I must say, before I eventually choose the final. … .................... The model will be in 1:20 scale, in a length of 720 mm and 135 mm width. It will be an open model with 44 frames and will be built by the use of a construction jig. What follows promises much sawdust… Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted May 2, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 2, 2013 Hello Giorgos, It is always nice to learn some of the history. This will be an interesting build to follow. Will you be rigging her with a sail? Good luck with this build and enjoy! Take care, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 3, 2013 Share #4 Posted May 3, 2013 A very interesting and nice looking boat. She'll make a fine model. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 3, 2013 Share #5 Posted May 3, 2013 unique set of plans there........should prove to be an interesting build Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted May 4, 2013 Hi all and thank you for your kind comments. Anja. I will go with the version with the oars since it was more common in use, besides I think a sail would "dominate" and would cover the model and that's what I wouldn't like it. Well, I have started with the stem and the stern post, which details have been transferred from plan to a sketch and then I shaped them partially by walnut wood. ................................................ ............................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted May 4, 2013 For the keel and the apron (I hope it is called so) I used wood of ramin. ............................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) All the scarf joints were made by precise cuts. I formed the rabbet line on the keel and the positions for the floors. ............................................................... ...................................... Thank you Edited May 4, 2013 by Giorgos greg-kam and Piet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted May 4, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 4, 2013 Hello Giorgos, Thanks for the answer. You made a good start. I really like the walnut wood. I think it's indeed called an 'apron'. It is intended to strengthen the connection between the stem and the keel. Looking forward to your progress. Take care, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted May 7, 2013 Hi. Following the same way as for the stem and stern post, I transferred the details of the frames from plan to sketches (too many sketches…) and I set the shape of the floors and the futtocks. Then I start cutting pieces from beachwood that will be components of the frames. It was quite enough work because, reminding you, the hull has been designed with 44 frames and each frame with 3 pieces… In order not to lose the pieces of each frame, they have been numbered and tied together with some tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted May 7, 2013 I start cutting...... aykutansin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted May 7, 2013 keep cutting.... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 7, 2013 Share #13 Posted May 7, 2013 Very clean and precise. Beautiful work, Giorgos. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 8, 2013 Share #14 Posted May 8, 2013 oh my.........look at the bones! nice bit of progress......can't wait till they are in place! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 8, 2013 Share #15 Posted May 8, 2013 Giorgos I am enjoying watching this build, what a great start. It is great to see the hand drawn lines and frames. such a peaceful way to get there. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted May 10, 2013 Thank you all for your comments and for following my log. Having cut all the pieces, I composed each frame with its parts, using white carpenters glue and small nails. Also here, the work was enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Some futtocks had to be convinced to follow the plan…but all went well. After composing all the frames, I placed them on numbered cardboards and let them waiting, since I had to prepare the construction jig. Thank you Edited May 10, 2013 by Giorgos popeye the sailor, dafi and Anja 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 10, 2013 Share #18 Posted May 10, 2013 top notch job on the bones! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 10, 2013 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2013 That's a very intreguing build you set out on. Very clean workmanship on the keel and the frames! Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted May 12, 2013 Hi. Proceeding with the construction jig, on model's side plan and related to hull’s lines, I drew two colored lines, a red and a yellow. With these lines, I defined and set the levels of the construction jig. So the jig was constructed by spare wooden plates and with three levels (wooden plates). The first level is the supporting base, the second one identified as the main hull line (above the waterline), while the third level was partially constructed only at the edges of the jig.There was no need to be a complete third level and that because the side curvature of the hull. Ending the construction, on the upper surface of the plates, I made pencil marks, pointing the positions where the frames had to be set. Then I took the keel with the stem and stern post and I placed them in the jig, aligning the keel with two small pieces of wood. I have to point out, that I made the construction jig in fact with only one level, because I will use it, not to compose the frames inside of it (since that’s already made), but as a help placing and stabilizing the frames on the keel. Anja 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted May 12, 2013 After the construction of the jig, I took the frames out of their numbered cardboards, and started placing them on respective positions on the keel. When I finished with the frames on the keel (without been stabilized), I carved two additional aprons (by solid wood) for the stem and stern posts and on which some of the hull planks will be supported. In an impulse to see the result …I took the model out of the jig… Thank you mtaylor, aykutansin and Anja 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 12, 2013 Share #22 Posted May 12, 2013 Looking very sharp indeed! Top job on mounting the frames. Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 13, 2013 Share #23 Posted May 13, 2013 now....that's looking reall sweet! very nicely done! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 13, 2013 Share #24 Posted May 13, 2013 Great looking framing work. Very impressive. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 14, 2013 Share #25 Posted May 14, 2013 An amazing amount of work in two weeks. Looks good Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted May 16, 2013 Thanks for your comments mates... I put the hull back in the construction jig and I started stabilizing the frames. Using pins and pieces of string, I set the distance between the frames and held them in the proper position.Then securing that distance, I cut small balks, in same dimensions and placed them between the frames, at the level of gunwales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgos Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted May 16, 2013 I placed also small balks between the frames on the keel and at the same height with the floors. With the inner keel and some “bolts”, the whole construction was secured. Finally, at the connection point between the floors and the futtocks, I placed two stringers (?) and let the glue dry… Thank you Paul Salomone and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 16, 2013 Share #28 Posted May 16, 2013 Amazingly fast and amazingly wonderful. Wow! Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anja Posted May 16, 2013 Share #29 Posted May 16, 2013 Hello Giorgos, Wow, that looks great. Very nice. Take care, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 16, 2013 Share #30 Posted May 16, 2013 Very good, beautiful framing. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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