HKC Posted May 31, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 31, 2013 Is there a general rule or a table that gives diameter of various rigging lines/chains(links per inch)/wire depending on the scale of the model being constructed? I don't trust my eye to select the proper dia. From a photo and I don't want the rigging to be badly out of proportion. The model I am building is 1:74 scale. I am thinking that .028mm line looks right for the shroud lines but not sure what size to use for the running rigging. HKC Quote Current (fist) build Billing's Danmark 5005 static Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted May 31, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) R.C. Anderson gives a rule of thumb in his Rigging of Ships in the Age of the Spritsail Topmast as follows: Diameter of the Main Stay = 1/6 the diameter of the mast Fore stay = 4/5 of the Main Stay Mizzen Stay = 1/2 of the Fore Stay Stay collars = 3/4 of the stay Shroud and stay laniards = 1/2 of the stay or shroud, except main stay is 1/3 Shrouds are 1/2 of their respective stays, i.e. topmast shrouds are 1/2 of the topmast stay Mast tackle pendants, backstays = 1/2 of the shrouds Tackle runners are 2/3 of their pendant Tackle falls are 1/2 of their runner or pendant Ties = shrouds Halyards = 2/3 of the Tie Lift and Brace pendants = 1/2 of the shroud Lifts = 3/8 of the shroud Braces = 3/4 of the Brace pendant Tacks = 1/2 of the shrouds Sheets = 3/4 of the shroud Clews = 1/2 of the sheet Bowline = 1/2 of the shroud Leechlines and Buntlines = 1/3 of the shroud Blocks sheaves are 9 times the diameter of the line, blocks are 12 times the diameter of the line. Hope it helps Edited May 31, 2013 by popeye2sea Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted May 31, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 31, 2013 It would help to know what model you are building; Anderson is good for 17th early 18th century period but Steel is better for mid 18th to early 19th century period. B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 31, 2013 Share #4 Posted May 31, 2013 HKC, If you go to the Article Downloads at the link below, you'll find a spreadsheet entitled "Masting and Rigging sizes for English Period Warships". This spreadsheet will give you the standard size of every spar and rope at your scale. http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-rigging-and-sails.php John trippwj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKC Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted June 1, 2013 B.E.: I am building the Danmark. Built in 1932. Steel masts and yards. HKC Quote Current (fist) build Billing's Danmark 5005 static Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 1, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 1, 2013 That is more difficult because wire rigging sizes tended to be somewhat smaller than the equivalent rope sizes. Can the operators of the Danmark provide any information? or failing that The Cutty Sark also had wire rigging and that rigging information is available, and may not be too far out. B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted June 1, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 1, 2013 HKC, For a modern square rigger with wire standing rigging, some of the main sizes (diameter in millimeters) would be as follows: Lower shrouds: 0.33 Topmast shrouds: 0.3 Stays: 0.33 Topgallant stays:0.24 Lower braces: 0.33 Topgalland braces: 0.27 Lower lifts: 0.44 Topgallant lifts: 0.25 Other lines in proportion. Hope that helps. John flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr10Dans Posted June 8, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2013 I am building the Danmark Scale 1:75 also and am wondering what running rigging proportions to use for a 1932 ship with the wire standing rigging. The info provided by John is a great start. Is there a definitive source for the Danmark? Is it built using 1850 style rigging proportions, but I don't see scaling using them since the masts are based on wood main lower mast diameter. Also would the blocks use steel strops? Again is there a good resource for this type info. Thanks for any help. Tom in Beverly, Ma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted June 8, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2013 Tom, The best source by far for 'modern' sailing ship rigging is Harold Underhill's "Masting and Rigging. The Clipper Ship and Ocean Carrier". You should be able to pick up a used copy from Abebooks for $25- - $30. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr10Dans Posted June 9, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 9, 2013 Tom, The best source by far for 'modern' sailing ship rigging is Harold Underhill's "Masting and Rigging. The Clipper Ship and Ocean Carrier". You should be able to pick up a used copy from Abebooks for $25- - $30. John Thank you. Book is on order! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey2 Posted June 12, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2013 Jim Lad First time I have seen this spread sheet. Wow, no really, wow. Great work Nick Quote Current build USF Confederacy Previous log - HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted June 12, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 12, 2013 Nick, Danny and I both worked on the sheet originally for MSW version 1 (BGC - before great crash). John flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayjdickerson Posted December 19, 2013 Share #13 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Having problems attaching forward sails on a Danmark BB550. Does sail rigging 162, 167, 170, and 174 just feed thru the ends of the sails or attach to the sail at the ends? The plans are not clear. Anton T. at perthshipyard has been helping me on this rigging. Need to know how to attach photo of item Edited December 19, 2013 by kayjdickerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBaxt Posted April 8, 2021 Share #14 Posted April 8, 2021 On 5/31/2013 at 5:38 PM, popeye2sea said: R.C. Anderson gives a rule of thumb in his Rigging of Ships in the Age of the Spritsail Topmast as follows: Diameter of the Main Stay = 1/6 the diameter of the mast Fore stay = 4/5 of the Main Stay Mizzen Stay = 1/2 of the Fore Stay Stay collars = 3/4 of the stay Shroud and stay laniards = 1/2 of the stay or shroud, except main stay is 1/3 Shrouds are 1/2 of their respective stays, i.e. topmast shrouds are 1/2 of the topmast stay Mast tackle pendants, backstays = 1/2 of the shrouds Tackle runners are 2/3 of their pendant Tackle falls are 1/2 of their runner or pendant Ties = shrouds Halyards = 2/3 of the Tie Lift and Brace pendants = 1/2 of the shroud Lifts = 3/8 of the shroud Braces = 3/4 of the Brace pendant Tacks = 1/2 of the shrouds Sheets = 3/4 of the shroud Clews = 1/2 of the sheet Bowline = 1/2 of the shroud Leechlines and Buntlines = 1/3 of the shroud Blocks sheaves are 9 times the diameter of the line, blocks are 12 times the diameter of the line. Hope it helps I have only just found this which will be good enough for my means. Best regards and thank you for posting this information. Dave mtaylor 1 Quote Completed St Canute Billings Dec 2020 Completed HMS Bounty Amati May 2021 Finished Currently building HM Bark Endeavour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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