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Xebec Cazador by cor_f - OcCre - 1:60 - kit bashing 2nd build

So I decided to start a small log of my progress on my Occre Xebec "Cazador". Mainly because there's no other log of any Xebec on MSW2. On the old MSW there where several, the log from Alexander Romaschenko has been a great help. Luckily Ilhan still had the pictures....

 

I'm not too happy with the quality of the Occre kit, I have the feeling it's not complete i'm missing quite some parts and as always there's not enough rope. I've thrown away quite some parts as well. All metal parts and plywood, precut parts.

I've made the cannon carts and rigged them. Also i've put the cannons in Brass-black to make them look (they actually are) oxidized. I'm using pear and wallnut for remaking the plywood parts.

I've started in 2009 and have been working on and off. I have 4 daughters so got my hands full from time to time :D

 

 

2010:

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So that's quite nice but not nice enough.......

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2011:

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Current state:

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Hello all,

 

I've been busy mass producing some rigging materials. One thing I had to make was 10 tackle blocks. I'm not sure these are called this way. Also i'm not sure it's historically correct, it looks good to me :)

Here's how i'm making these:

 

First a piece of rope with to loops

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Now add the lashing wire

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Wrap around a few times

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Put the end trough the loop

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Excellent job you have done here!!! My Xebec is by Amati and instructions all in Italian. This is only my second build, the first was a Bireme that I have set aside for I am waiting for the right time to get back to her.

 

Your planking and all in my view are superior quality. I only hope I can do as well.

 

Warm Regards,

 

John

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Very fine workmanship, This is one model that I would love to have in my shipyard. I will be watching your progress with great interest so keep the pictures coming.

 

Happy Modeling, Martin G.

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Its good to see another Xebec log on MSW. I agree that Alexander Romaschenko "shark" was one of my favorite builds ever. That build log was such a huge loss for MSW2, I sincerely mourned its loss as well as Roma's passing.

 

You mention Ilhan has the pictures? are these of the build log? I searched the web for another place where the build log is posted and all I've found is

http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/eng/models/elite/shebeka/index.htm

which only has 15 pictures of this magnificent build. I'd love to revisit that build even if only in pictures.

 

Your Cazador is coming along nicely. Beautiful work Cor! I'm glad to see you share this build.

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Thanks all for the kind words. Without MSW I really wouldn't have come this far.

I´m just a beginner and this is my second build. The first build was in the pre-MSW era, and I did everything by the (occre book). Now I'm one step further.

On the other hand, the quality on MSW is moslty so high, I sometimes set the sight too high.

 

(All!) The pictures of Alexander Romaschenko are here: http://rapidshare.co...6FDA3E923E2BBFE (Thanks Ilhan)

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Just an FYI.

 

I couldn't seem to get the rapidshare to download. After PMing with Ilhan he found that it was an internet explorer issue.

I'm now using Google Chrome and they are downloading. Just a heads up for anyone else wanting these and having IE issues.

 

Thanks Cor for mentioning this and a big thanks to Ilhan for archiving and posting them for download.

I thought they were lost forever, I'm so glad they are not! :dancetl6:

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Hello all!

A litlle status update, I'm working on the rigging.

Only I made a little mistake :huh: I didn't have enough rope because I use a lot with rigging my cannon carts.

Of course the kit didn't take that in consideration and I wasn't able to find the exact same rope on the internet. It is a kind of strange grey / green wire. I purchased some 0,15mm grey rope and currently i'm replacing the green/grey ropes.

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Here a close up of the gun port. I made these not accoring to kit instruction. The manual supposes to make the 'half'. One half on the right, one on the left. Also, I added some treenailing and an eyebolt and ring.

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Such superior craftsmanship!! I have enjoyed watching your progress and innovation. Sometimes I suppose we have to compromise a little kit instructions for our own ingenuity and if this is the case, you have done a brilliant job! Congratulations friend!

 

John E

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Little update on the rigging: I've replaced most of the green/grey wire, I like the lighter grey better and I got plenty of this.

One problem I keep running into is that the toggles tend to turn. At first, I installed them so, that they where in line with the ship but now I put the lines under a litlle tension, the wires turn taking the toggles with them. I'll try posting a picture of this soon.

I was wondering what I could do, maybe I should fix them in place and put some dilluted glue on the wires to keep 'em straight.  Any suggestions would be welcome.

 

I taped most of the lines to the upper side of the mast because they need some sort of seizing.

 

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Would the toggles ever be able to stay parallel to the keel? Unlike a deadeye they have no restriction in rotational movement. I'm sure on models for the correct look they are made that way maybe, but in reality I think they want to be free moving.

 

Here's a pic from Roma's build and it shows them in all directions.

 

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Hey, guess you're right about the toggles Keith! Thanks for showing me.

 

Here's a small update. I fixed the mast rigging (don't know the correct terms :huh: ) to the mast with some tape, now it was time to fix it permanently. I'd better have done this first, because some of the rigging is already fixed. Now I had to make sure I remained enough tension. Also, I used a too much glue and I made the mistake to squeeze the lasings so the ropes are a little flattend now :mellow:

Nevertheless I'm quite content. Two more masts to go.

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This needs a liiiittle more trimming.

 

This time I used a proper camera instead of my phone.... :)

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Hello everyone, I havn't forgot to update my log if you might think so :D

But I've been working on the masts the last weeks and in the mean time my appendix had to be removed and i'm renovating the kitchen.

I'll post some pics soon.

 

Cor.

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Appendix surgery, YIKES :o ...and you shouldn't be renovating the kitchen after surgery. Relax and heal my friend.

This can give you some good study time.

 

I hope you are soon mended and back to 100%.

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Hello Cor, I a  Dutch builder. I am building Occre's Cazador. The original construction drawings of Occre of the masts / ropes / blocs / etc are not detaild. So I surch for details.

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Glad I found your post - I am getting ready to start construction on my Amati Xebec. Of course, there are very few English instructions - does anyone one know if there are English instructions available ! Also, there are no templates for the sail layouts.

Can anyone help me ?

Thank you

Don

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Hello all. After some time I've decided to finish my Xebec ship. The last update is from 2013 and not much changed since then, the ship has been collecting dust :o although it is almost finished.

I'm currently working on fixing the main masts and have ordered some parts online because for some reason Occre added not enough Parrel Beads (?) and the Parrels themselfs are kind of ugly (metal). In the past, somewhere between 2013 and now, when I thought I had some time to continue building, I tried to reproduce these with boxwood but its just too small to make for me.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

@Don: I have instructions in English but it's for the Occre kit, not  for the Amati so I don't think it'll be usefull to you :)

@Frits: Hi! I'll post some pictures soon but don't expect perfect rigging, I'm still just fooling around :D

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Here are some pictures of te latest status.

I've completed the three masts and booms incluiding all blocks etc.

The third mast is already mounted. The other two will have to wait untill the Parrrel Beads I ordered come in.

I also ordered material to create new sails. I was not so happy with the seams of the sails in the kit as you also can see on the first picture. This is still a little tricky I have no clue on how to make them look real. Time for some investigation on MSW :)

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Such an interesting design. So different than the square riggers that we usually build.

 

Your build is coming along great cor_f !! Thanks for posting.

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HI there is a book I found online called "cherbecs et Batiments" by J Boudriot & h Berti

Its in french but has all the variations of these ships over time and location.

 

Google translate does a good translation job. An excellent reference.

 

I cannot post as it is probably copyright breach if I did

 

I'm sure a search of the net will reveal more info

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Here are some pictures of the latest status.

I've been working on the rigging, mainly the attachment of the main boom.

 

I actually don't think this is the correct way of attching a parrel to a wire but using 4 individual wires will get very messy when fixing them to the boom.

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This is the original (violin?) block

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and this is my own version made from boxwood.

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