pirozzi Posted January 13, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 13, 2014 I am starting my next build after the SOS. It is the Royal William by Euromodels. First inspection of the kit contents is impressive. The quality looks good and the plans are great. The basic instructions that come with the kit are OK, but the Euro website has what they call Interpretive and reference notes. There are literally hundreds of pages with contruction notes, color photos, and illustrations. It is organized in chapters and is actually more like a build log of the entire construction. It starts with the basic kit and opens it up for as much kit bashing as you might want. It gives several levels at each stage and allows the builder to expand in detail to close to a scratch build. I have never seen anything like this before. It is outstanding and allows the builder to add as much challenge and complexity as one could want. The basic kit itself is no piece of cake by any means, but I am going to have much fun taking this build to the limits of my building skills and then some. What I learned from building the SOS will certainly help here. I am starting the build as we speak. Vince P. JesseLee, maddog33, avsjerome2003 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 13, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 13, 2014 I shall be following along with this one Vince.She is one of my favourites.I am probably about two months away from starting my Mordaunt log.Did you find the voids in the box to be filled with those little foam kernels?It was a job in itself disposing of them and keeping them away from the dog Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted January 13, 2014 I shall be following along with this one Vince.She is one of my favourites.I am probably about two months away from starting my Mordaunt log.Did you find the voids in the box to be filled with those little foam kernels?It was a job in itself disposing of them and keeping them away from the dog Kind Regards Nigel Hi Nigel, Yes the box was filled with those little things. Stuck to everything and the admiral was picking them up everywhere. I am really excited about getting started with this project. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugra Posted January 13, 2014 Share #4 Posted January 13, 2014 Great start Vince. Good luck with your build! Marsares 1 Quote There is nothing that a little sanding can't solve.. Bugra. Current Builds : H.M.S. Triton Cross Section by Bugra - 1/48 Turkish Traditional Ship - Surmene Takasi by Bugra - 1:35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted January 13, 2014 Share #5 Posted January 13, 2014 I will watch your build with interest as I also have this kit. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsl_01 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Vince the content of the box looks impressive. I want to build the Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde from Euro Model some (not so far away) day. So I am very excited to follow your log (with MANY pics ) to hear and learn about the quality of the kit and the materials. Wish you good luck and many happy hours with the Royal William. Cheerio Max Quote Next: Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde by Euro Model 1:47 Finished: Half Moon Corel; HMY Royal Caroline Panart; HMB Endeavour Occre 1:54; Fregatte Berlin, Corel, 1:40 A life without dogs is possible... but worth to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecheleir Posted January 13, 2014 Share #7 Posted January 13, 2014 Its very impressive... And all the guns on the lower decks are full rigged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 13, 2014 Share #8 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Vince The contents of the box look good should be as interesting ship and build. Quote Ray Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler Completed HMS Diana Completed build The Lady Nelson Completed Build HMS Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted January 14, 2014 Its very impressive... And all the guns on the lower decks are full rigged? The way this kit is designed, you can full rig all of the guns if you desired. I am going to full rig the two upper gun decks and leave the lower first deck with false half guns. Vince P. CaptainSteve and Mecheleir 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 14, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 14, 2014 Am very excited to see a build log for this ship here - a bit jealous too! Gorgeous ship, and the Euromodel kits are really amazing in terms of the quality of plans and components, and the added instructions. I recently picked up the Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde, which really has spoiled me when it comes to all other kit manufacturers. Good luck and take lots of pictures! Brian the extraordinaire 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted January 14, 2014 Looks like a nice ship to build. I'm not familiar with Euromodels kits and what you say about the "reference notes" in the web site is something I wish was more common in other kit brands. Question: Don't you feel there are too many metallic parts? That's the impression I got from your pictures. Best of lucks with your build!!! Cheers! alan baker 1 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmay Posted January 14, 2014 Share #12 Posted January 14, 2014 Hello Vince,Wishing you happy modeling with your new venture,it is well packaged and the company seems to be supportive,good luck .will follow and learn. Edwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted January 14, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 14, 2014 Looking forward to this one. I've been contemplating this ship for some time. Can't wait to see you start putting her together. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted January 14, 2014 Share #14 Posted January 14, 2014 Vince, Super nice next project. I will also follow along your new build. I went online and found those instructions which you were speaking of, whoa, super nice addition to the "usual" set of instructions. Other manufacturers could certainly learn from this example. You will certainly enjoy this build. Bashing here you come..... Regards, Michael Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkershner Posted January 14, 2014 Share #15 Posted January 14, 2014 I have a euro model kit of the Ajax on the shelf. I am excited to see someone else build one of their kits. I agree about the plans, they are first rate. I did download the translation from Italian to English from the web site. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted January 14, 2014 Share #16 Posted January 14, 2014 Looks like a really nice build. Think I'll pull up a chair too - did anyone bring the popcorn? Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted January 14, 2014 Share #17 Posted January 14, 2014 Vince, After getting super interested in your Euromodels version, I also found this info FYI (:-) http://www.hellovancity.com/events/holy-ship-lifelike-replica-hms-royal-william-ship-up-for-auction-on-june-19th-2013/ I will search for "sales" and prob. put one in my closet if I find one for under 1K USD PS 2 This morning I went through those Extra 1-6 pdf instructions that are on the Euromodel site; Excellent Michael Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted January 14, 2014 Yes. Michael, this ship and the builder are featured on the Euro website. Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Starting on constructing the bulkheads and keel. Euro has a different way of identifying the 15 various bulkheads. They start at midship with the number "0" and go towards the stern with increasing numbers to bulkhead "8". They they start from midship and go to the bow with letters "A" through "F". It would have been simpler to just start at the bow with all numbers or letters. I did find that on the plan sheet #4 where they illustrate placing the bulkheads, they mislabled bulkheads "E" and "F". Following the plans, Bulkhead "E" would be first at the bow and then "F" behind it. If you dry fitted them first, which I strongly recommend, you would see something is wrong following the plans and notice that they are reversed. Also another thing, some of the bulkheads, especially around midship are very similar. Even placing them on the plan sheet, it would be easy for someone in a hurry to switch them up. If you are careful and observant, which you should be anyway, there would be no problem getting them in the correct places. A simple addition for the plans would be to have diagrams of the plywood boards with the bulkheads still attached and labeled. As poor as the plans were for Mantua, they did have this feature. Some of the bulkheads fit sloppily into the keel slots and need a shim to make a snug fit. A piece of 5mm x 1mm wood works perfectly here. VinceP. Edited May 6, 2014 by Vince P. riverboat, realworkingsailor, Brian the extraordinaire and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted January 15, 2014 Share #20 Posted January 15, 2014 Off to a to a good start. As for your bulkhead labelling, it is closer to prototype practice for framing nomenclature. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 15, 2014 Share #21 Posted January 15, 2014 Hi Vince The bulkheads in my Mordaunt have no labelling on them.However I am fitting the lower gun deck out and have to cut the bulkheads to suit.They are not cutout at the factory like your William.The information is on the plans so will involve gluing a copy to each bulkhead and then some work on the scroll saw.How thick is your false keel?I only ask because the one on K Julier's build looked like it was about 10mm Kind Regards Nigel jonesboy104 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #22 Posted January 15, 2014 Hi Vince The bulkheads in my Mordaunt have no labelling on them.However I am fitting the lower gun deck out and have to cut the bulkheads to suit.They are not cutout at the factory like your William.The information is on the plans so will involve gluing a copy to each bulkhead and then some work on the scroll saw.How thick is your false keel?I only ask because the one on K Julier's build looked like it was about 10mm Kind Regards Nigel Hi Nigel, The false keel is exactly 10.0mm. Their kits do require some manual fine work. I like that because it is more challenging and fun to make some things from scratch. Regards, Vince P. NMBROOK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 15, 2014 Share #23 Posted January 15, 2014 I agree Vince,I have a compulsion never to build a kit out of the box,at least the Euromodel way,you don't feel you are paying for lot of things you don't use.Other than the decks and bulkheads there is hardly any precut plywood parts in my kit,just piles of solid hardwood.I do think they are more of a materials package for a scratchbuild than a modern precut plywood everything modern kit.It certainly gives us plenty of scope to take things as far as we wish Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #24 Posted January 15, 2014 Looks like a nice ship to build. I'm not familiar with Euromodels kits and what you say about the "reference notes" in the web site is something I wish was more common in other kit brands. Question: Don't you feel there are too many metallic parts? That's the impression I got from your pictures. Best of lucks with your build!!! Cheers! Hi there, After building the SOS which had over 600 metal castings, this one is not so bad. Looks to be just a couple of hundred. One thing here is that each of those pieces will have to be painted or guilded. The SOS came with the fittings already finished. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share #25 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) The bulkheads on this ship are so wide and tall and they initially are only held in place where they join the false keel. It is impossible to keep them perfectly square in the 3 dimenesional planes because they warp under there own weight. The Euro interpretive notes suggest placing pieces of wood in between each bulkhead on both sides. This is a great idea, and using a square and digital caliper you can micro cut the wood pieces to make the bulkheads square in all directions. It also make the whole structure very rigid and strong. This all is extremely important when it comes time to lay the decks and plank the hull. Also, there are 2 slots cut in the false keel between the bulkheads which serve as a platform to step the fore and main masts. By adding a piece of wood on each side of the slot, it makes a perfectly square and upright space to set the masts. They will sit perfectly vertical from port to starboard and still allow canting them front to back if needed. This also came from the Euro notes. All of the extra wood pieces were made from scrap from the plywood bulkhead sheets. Vince P. Edited May 6, 2014 by Vince P. maddog33, mtaylor, marktiedens and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) All of the bulkheads are fixed in place and squared to each other and the false keel. Placing the lower deck comes next. The deck is precut into two halfs cut along the length. Each half has to be cut again into two pieces across the slots for bulkhead "1" There is no way to get the deck threaded into the bulkheads and down to the lower most supports without cutting it. Each quarter is then treaded through the upper bulkhead slot in the bow and slanted down until it gets to the bottom support at the stern. It is necessary to adjust the little slots to fit the bulkheads, but not much. Squaring the bulkheads made the difference here. Once both rear halfs are threaded into place, each half is secured to the forward bulkhead using wedges to hold them down to the curved deck supports while the glue dries. Both halfs are done together, one bulkhead at a time towards the stern, in order to keep the halfs butted together. Vince P. Edited May 6, 2014 by Vince P. maddog33, NMBROOK, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenPink Posted January 24, 2014 Share #27 Posted January 24, 2014 Hi Vince Going on your photos of the kit it looks like you have got a lot of white metal parts. You said you are going to paint or gild ( gold leaf ) them. To keep your cost down you can get a substitute gold leaf that you apply the same way as gold leaf. Denis. Quote Complete: Sovereign of the Seas - Mantua 1:78 scale Current build: Euro Model "Royal William" Scale 1:72 HMS "Revenge" Victory Model (Amati) Scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkershner Posted January 24, 2014 Share #28 Posted January 24, 2014 Hey are you working in my garage? It sure looks like it. the same work bench, the same tools, and the same clamps. Great work so far. luc 1 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share #29 Posted January 24, 2014 Hey are you working in my garage? It sure looks like it. the same work bench, the same tools, and the same clamps. Great work so far. Yes, I have a drone that is watching you so I can copy your stuff.. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I am dry fitting the lower decks and placing the hull stringers. When I first placed the bulkheads, I marked a center line on the top of each in order to help keep them all in line when fixing them permantely. When dry fitting the decks that are cut in half lengthwise, it is necessary to adjust the depth of the slots that fit around each bulkhead. You need a reference point to know how much to adjust them. A center line on every deck platform on all bulkheads is just the thing. You then simply line up the center edge of the deck half with the center line mark and adjust the slots until the deck seats down. Both halves then line up correctly and are also in line with the deck below. When placing the stringers, the slots in the bulkheads need some adjusting and the first 3 at the bow and the last 3 at the stern need beveling to alow the stringers to wrap around the curve of the hull. Also, I was doing a little planning ahead and noticed that the deck planking strips supplied are walnut and a little too dark for authentic planking. Ships had decking that was pale and weathered looking. A friend suggested wood like tanganyka is more like that. I agree and ordered some from my supplier. It seems that there is a limited supply here in the states and they are not certain of getting any more from overseas. There is a supplier in Australia however that has a good supply of tanganyka and other woods as well. You may want to keep them in mind if you run into wood supply problems. www.modelshipyard.com.au/ I did some experimenting with the walnut and by soaking the strips in Clorox household bleach for exactly 20 minutes, the color changes to a pale and weathered look. It is perfect for the realistic deck planking and will save me about $150, since I won't have to buy extra wood. Vince P. Edited May 6, 2014 by Vince P. NMBROOK, piperjoe, riverboat and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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