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Great job machining there Ian, lovely work.  Does my old machinists - tool and die maker heart good - seeing you make your own tools as needed!

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Another fantastic addition to your Unicorn Ian. I really enjoy following your work. Mr Corel would be proud!!

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark

 

In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene"

 

A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor!

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Another engineering masterpiece Ian - no less than we have come to expect from you.  Marvellous job Sir!

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Hum, I notice again that it is more than two months since I last updated my ramblings. As (Landlubber)Mike put it in his log "life just got in the way of things". I had an unexpected week in hospital and will have more visits in the new year when the medics expect to remove a bit or two of me. I think I am starting to emulate the Cheshire Cat in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by "slowly disappearing until all that was left was his grin". Sadly a disembodied grin would not be much use as a model maker! :)

 

Anyway enough of this rubbish.... 

 

I had decided the belfry that I had made was too small so I have generated dimensions for a larger version. I was in the middle of milling the new belfry cap when I was so rudely interupted. Returning to it a few weeks later was not satisfactory so I abandoned it for now. As a change I decided to produce a replacement ship's wheel.

 

The Corel wheel looks like it would be more at home in a modern cabin cruiser than on a 18th C ship. It has 8 spokes - I decided on one with 10. 

 

I based my efforts on Dan Vadas' version in his Vulture log (here)  though since mine is approximately half the size of Dan's I went for a slightly different approach.

 

Bye the bye, as I approached the end of making this wheel I also noticed that wheel production is flavour of the month on MSW. Some excellent examples are in EdT's Young America log (scale 1:72) (here)  and Alexandru's (guraus) Victory log (scale 1:48) (here) . The latter is a double wheel. The above aproaches are different to each other and to mine!  

 

The first things I produced were the spokes from some square section box wood.

 

To stop the wood flexing away from the tool I produced a simple back rest from 6mm steel rod. This was end drilled deeply with a 1.1mm bit. It was then filed or milled to half its width to expose the hole and debured with a small round file.

 

The back stop was mounted in the tail stock with its flat surface vertical. The end 2mm of the work piece was turned down to 1.1mm which was then supported. The work piece was turned down to 1.1mm for 12mm and the backstop advanced to support this. The piece could then be turned down to 1mm diameter.

 

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To detail the spoke I rotated the backstop so that the flat surface was now horizontal. Detailing was done with a small triangular file. The photo shows holding the file in place. The chuck is not rotating because I have my hand forward of the work for photographic purposes. I actually approach from over the tail stock to keep my hand well away from the spinning chuck.

 

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The next photo shows the spoke ready for sawing off. There are some marks on the backstop that I made to act as a guide for detailing. I made more spokes than are needed to allow selection of the best ones.

 

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Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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To assemble wheel and hub I made a sacrificial jig out of some scrap pine. This was turned to about 20mm diameter. It will remain undisturbed in the chuck until the wheel is complete. I transferred the chuck/jig to the dividing head on the milling machine to drill 10 holes around the jig which were highlighted with a pencil. This will indicate where the spokes will go in the rim.

 

For the rim I made 5 felloes which I glued in a ring on the end of the jig. I am fitting 2 spokes per felloe - similar to wooden road wheels. This is differnet to Dan's - he has 10 felloes with each having only one spoke.

 

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Turning the outside of the rim was straightforward. For the inside I used a small boring tool - I had modified one of these for another job and it just squeezed in.

 

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At this point I diverge from Dan's approach. He assembles and machines all the components on the surface of the jig. Then with careful use of solvent he detaches the completed wheel from the jig. Now his skills far outstrip mine and I could see my wheel ending up as a pile of bits as a result! :o

 

My solution was to turn the completed wheel off the jig. However to keep the wheel under control whilst doing this I extend the hub deep in to the jig.

 

My first move was to end drill a 5mm hole deep in to the jig.

 

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The chuck containing the jig was moved to the tailstock. A piece of square section boxwood was held in the 4 jaw chuck and turned down to 5mm diameter. Glue was applied to it and the tailstock used to push this dowel squarely in to the jig. The pencil marks show how far in the dowel has gone.

 

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Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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The hub was cut off to leave a stub protruding from the rim. The hub was then turned down to 4mm diameter.

 

All the previous jobs on the wheel were done with standard lathe tools or tools that I hade previously produced. For this I needed a left handed, small boring tool which I had to grind up from a piece of 1/4 inch square tool steel. The boring bit had to be less than 3mm across and deep to avoid fouling the inside of the rim. The photo shows it in use - there is clearance angle between it and the work (honest!).

 

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The chuck was tranferred back to the dividing head on the mill and 10 holes were drilled around the rim. On to the bench where the chuck was mounted on its back on a couple of pieces of wood with central holes. With the chuck secure the spokes were fitted. I only drilled holes in the hub for the odd numbered spokes which were then fitted. When the glue was reasonable dry I drilled the hub for the even spokes and fitted them. The reason for doing this was that all 10 holes drilled at the same time would have burst in to each other.

 

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Back to the lathe for (in theory) the last time.

 

I used a parting tool to cut a deep recess in the pine wood behind the wheel. This gave clearance space for a left handed tool which I then used to face the rear of the wheel down to its intended width. 

 

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I then used the parting tool to expose the box wood core and to shape the drum around which the tiller rope will go. Finally I turned the rear pivot down to 1.5mm diameter and parted off.

 

It would have been easier to turn the drun in front of the wheel but......(a confession coming up)....when I drilled the holes around the rim I used a 1.5mm bit at full reach to be able to drill through the rim and in to the hub. The bit wandered horribly leaving the holes all over the show. Fortunately the felloes were wide enough for me to have a second go with the bit retracted in to the drilling chuck. This gave better results (still a bit of wander) but the hub in front of the wheel now had holes in it which meant that part was no use for the drum.

 

I examined the bit afterwards and found it was very slightly bent - not enough to be visible to the naked eye.   

 

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The resultant wheel following cleaning up alongside the Corel wheel.

 

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Finally the Coral supports were used to see how it looked on the quarter deck. It is positioned in front of the mizen mast as per the kit instructions. I will make a new set of supports which will not be as wide as the Coral ones.

 

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I am contemplating fitting wheel behind the mizen mast along with a tiller above the quarter deck (as per the Lymm plans). To do this would mean:-

 

1) removing the toplight(?) and shot holder

2) move the 4 canon forward to the next ports

3) modifying the centre of the flag lockers to take the tiller.

 

Hum....I wonder.

 

If any one is interested I will tidy up my scrap diagrams that I worked from and will publish them here.

 

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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Brilliant brilliant work on the wheel, Ian!! That's the most detail wooden wheel I've seen in such scale, and it looks better than the Corel one.

I've no opinion on the position of the helm, but I think u can make a more detail toplight :)

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Hi Ian,

Thanks for inspiration to get going on the Unicorn again. The ships wheel is a lovely item,made to your usual high standards.

 

 I think your ideas for moving the wheel behind the mizzen mast,with a exposed tiller is sound,especially if you are going with a lanteen sail on the mizzen.None of the models or plans of contemporary frigates I have  seen show a deadlight or anything resembling the shot holder. I could be wrong but I think this is down to artistic licence on Corel's part. The only problem I can see is what kind of damage will happen to the deck planks on removal and how to remedy it. The tiller and its tackle would pose no problem added to the flag locker,which once again I'm not so sure should be there. It is a shame Chapman's drawings do not include the Deck plan.

 

I think your diagrams and notes would be a great asset to all forum members.

 

Now the colder weather is here it will keep me indoors more,I hope to make further progress on my effort. I have a lot of sub assemblies scattered around my bench I need to a affix on the ship. My time this summer has been spent with our Golden Retriever puppy. It took my wife and I 63 years till we decided to get a pup....I had no idea of how much time and work that it would involve!

 

I look forward to further developments....I'm also glad Mike is also back in the shipyard.

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Magnificent work on the wheel Ian, and a great tutorial to boot. Please do publish your drawings here - I'm sure many would be grateful for them. I know I would be!

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Beautiful work Ian - - nice to have the equipment too!  I'm just wishful thinking.

 

Hope your medical condition will turn out okay.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Ian - just caught up on your log, beautiful work Sir, looks like you are well on the way to wonderful model of a ship that deserves better than Corel suggests. Definitely want to see how you move forward and I appreciate you sharing all your techniques.

Cheers,
 
Jason


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HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

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Thanks ZyXuz, John, Grant, BE, Piet, Ferit and Jason for your kind words and all the likes.

 

ZyXuz, 

I have not heard from you for some time. How are you and how is your Unicorn?

 

John, 

You raise a good point about the relationship between the wheel being behind the mizzen and the lateen rigging. I hadn't really considered it!

 

Will the puppy be helping with the model making?

 

Grant,

 

I am just about to put my chicken scratchings in here.

 

BE,

The inspiration is normally from you to me! :)

 

Piet,

 

As you say it is nice to have the lathe and milling machine - I wish I could have afforded them when I was in my 20s. Actually I find the basic lathe and mill are fairly cheap it is the necessary extras that rack the price up eg 4 jaw chucks, collets and holders, off hand grinder etc. I don't have decent woodworking tools which makes life interesting in this game.

 

Ferit,

 

Did you mean painful rather than painstaking? :)

 

Jason,

 

I spend most of my time wondering how I am going to move forward! :)

 

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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Here are my chicken scratchings for the wheel. 

 

My wheel looks a bit meaty so I think if I was repeating the wheel I would do the following:

 

1) Increase the rim inside diameter from 12mm to 12.5mm. The would reduce the rim depth by 0.25mm. It doesn't seem much but it would be a 16% reduction which would show.

2) Decrease the overall diameter of the spokes from 1mm to 0.8m. This would allow the rim width to be reduced to 1mm which would give a more delicate appearance. It would also reduce the crowding around the hub.

 

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I am also attaching my redimensioned belfry diagram to give as larger unit (diagram drawn by Rex Boocock) which I will be working on soon.

 

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Whilst I was semi hors de combat I did more work on my rigging spreadsheet. The source is Lees. Originally I was creating one that would cover all the sailing ships covered by Lees. It was feasible but would take a long time. I have restricted myself to covering 6th rate ships during the period covered by the 1745 establishment (1745 to 1772). This covers ships with a variety of beam sizes.

 

I have used all the data from the Lees appendices and am now adding data from the body of the book eg the mast taper information. This is raising quite few questions in my mind.

 

I am aware of the rigging spreadsheet in the MSW download area but that uses macros which are only supported by the full version of EXEL. I am a cheapskate ( :) ) and use the free starter version that comes with Windows which does not support macros but will handle formulae.

 

Attached are a couple of example sheets from it. As you will notice there are loads of tabs on it. Click on each one to expand to see the detail.

 

I will make the spreadsheet available on my share. If anyone is interested, drop me a PM and we can swap email addresses give access.

 

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Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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Hi Ian, I don't know if you have seen  the rigging tables from Steels 1794 work which is the reference I am using to rig my Pegasus, most of the modern rigging books including Lees use this as the basis of their works.

 

Here's the link to an online version.

 

http://www.maritime.org/doc/steel/index.htm

 This is the full content

 

http://www.maritime.org/doc/steel/tables/pages/121-ShipOf16-14Guns.htm

This is an extract starting at p121 covering  sloops of 14-16 guns

 

All the rigging sizes are given in inches circumference which of course for us model makers need to be converted to ins/mm diameter.

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

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Beautiful work on the wheel and capstan, Ian.  I like the descriptions of your methods and the tooling you have devised to do the work.  Great stuff.

 

Ed

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 Ian, great to see an update my friend.  Your wheel is amazing.  I was hoping to not use any paint on my current and future builds, but worried that I'd have to break that rule when it came to the ship's wheel.  I bought a few from other manufacturers, and the wood ones seemed thick and out of scale, while the metal ones seem to scale, but have to be painted.  Seeing your results, I might try turning a ship's wheel myself :)

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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Mike, Ed, BE, 

 

Thank you. I am stunned to receive such kind words from a group of people who's work I greatly admire and I shamelessly copy.

 

Thanks all for the likes.

 

BE,

 

Thanks for the info. I have been looking at both Steele and Lees. Steele I think is a bit late for the Unicorn though much will still be applicable.  

 

I will be preparing masts soon, in particular a couple of top masts to sit on the gallows. I am happy with the info I have on the lower mast tapers but am not clear on the top mast taper yet. So I am looking carefully at Lees, Steele and your build log to work this out.

 

Mike,

 

Go for it! :) I found making the wheel less daunting than some of the other jobs on the ship. 

 

If using individual felloes accuracy in making the angle of the ends is vital (54 degrees in my case) to ensure good joints. If the angles are wrong at best the joints will look bad at worst it will fall to bits. This was the only part that was tricky. Their length is not critical (within reason). They are wedge shaped if they are a little short they can be pushed towards the centre of the jig. If too long they will sit further away from the centre. As long as they cover the rim area this is fine.

 

To make sure that the felloes were sitting correctly on the jig I drew radial lines from the centre so that I could line the end of the felloes with these. I also drew 2 concentric circles on the end of the jig to mark the inner and outer boundaries of the rim. If the circles were toally covered by the felloe blanks all was well.

 

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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I turned to the wheel supports. I looked at a variety of sources. I took inspiration from the entry in EdT's Naiad log <here>

along with the picture of Guadeloupe.

 

The first thing I did was to draw a diagram of a support 8 times full size (attached - click on it to see detail and use if you wish).

 

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I have included my original free hand diagram here which has more dimensions on it than the clean version.

 

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Two copies were then printed reduced to the required size and pasted on to a piece of box wood that I had milled to 7mm / 2mm cross section (as per EdT's method).

 

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I drilled the 0.5, 1.5 and 3mm holes in each support then using a fret saw cut out the central teardrop shaped holes. The supports were then roughly fretted out.

 

I turned a filing button 4mm in diameter with a 1.5mm stub. This is in the middle of the next photo along with my 1mm mill bit.

 

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The button was clamped vertically in the "V" of the machine vice on the milling machine. Each support was mounted (one at a time) via its 1.5mm hole on the stub. This allowed the mill bit to be advanced up to the support and by swinging the support blank from side to side to shape the head.

 

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The two supports were glued back to back and their outside shape produced by hand filing.

 

They were then clamped to the mill and the front profile was milled, first one support and then flipped over to do the second.

 

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The supports were cut to length, checked for square then separated and cleaned up.

 

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Finally a close up of the completed wheel in its supports - it shows the flaws up in a cruel way. :o

 

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It's confession time again. When reducing the diagram on my printer I used a 9% size setting. What I did not notice was the printer software accepted the 9% then quietly set it to 10% (obviously the minimum). Later when working on the support it looked too long. It was - by 2mm. So rather than ditch it I modified the base design on the fly. It is still a little too tall but hopefully no-one will notice.:-)

 

I will now make card mock ups of a tiller and binnacle to try them with the wheel for size on the quarter deck. This will help me decide on whether to clear the area behind the mizen and to fit a visible tiller.    

 

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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Wow, absolutely gorgeous work Ian!  Very very nice job, and a big thank you for the pictorial tutorial!  

 

Is that english boxwood from an old ruler?  I'm wondering if i can get away with such detail using castello boxwood.

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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Nicely done Ian - marvelous detail.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Thank you Mike and Piet and thanks everyone for the likes.

 

Mike,

 

I am cutting up an old rule. It was given to me by my Grandfather when I was quite young so it must be more than 70 years old. It was slightly damaged on one edge and was no longer any use as a rule. I was keeping it for sentimental reasons but decided that once I shuffle off this mortal coil my children would probably bin it. Since I dedicated this ship to the same Grandfather I decided that using its wood for items of deck furniture was highly appropriate.

 

Rules of that age are generally thicker than more modern ones. It is 6mm thick. I have a wooden scale rule (also damaged) which I bought in the '60s which is only 4mm thick.

 

I think the rule is English boxwood, but what ever it is, it is very nice to work - a real pleasure compared with the mahogany and walnut that I have.

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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A couple of questions have now come up relating to the wheel and binnacle that I must answer in the next few weeks.

 

The first question is on the design of the binnacle. No help from Coral since they don't supply one with the Unicorn.

 

The different British designs of double compass binnacle of which I am aware are summarised in the next image. In it I have taken the front views from various plans.

 

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The first diagram is by Rex Boocock. The full version of his plan can be found in the MSW section "Furniture and Fittings" here

 

It is the type that is on Victory. There is also a model of this type at the NMM.

 

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There are differences twixt the model/Victory version and the plan. One is that Rex has one pain of glass per compass facing the stern. All the other panels are blank. The NMM/Victory version has 3 pains of glass both fore and aft. A second difference that would not be noticeable at this scale is that Rex shows a mid shelf in which the compasses sit. There is no mid shelf on the NMM/Victory ones, the compass units appear to be deeper and sit on the bottom of the cabinet.

 

The second diagram is by Russell Barnes and is part of his practicum on making a battle station. This is in the MSW section "Model Ship Articles" here  . Actually I just checked and the  binnacle plan part is now missing (ex MSW 1?). I have a copy of this plan if required.

 

I can't find any contemporary models or pictures that match this design. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

 

The third diagram is by Chuck. This is in his Winchelsea log here

 

Siggi52 has made a nice version of this for his Dragon (see here ) . 

 

There is a contemporary model at the NMM of the 1780 frigate Amazon that has this type. The following is a detail from the NMM photo.

 

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The full photo can be see here .    

 

The fourth one is taken from the top right corner of plate 1 of "An universal dictionary of the marine" by William Falconer (1732-1769). This was taken from the copy held by the National Library of Australia (see here ). Apparently this was the copy owned by the ship's carpenter that accompanied Cook on his last Discovery voyage.

 

It has similarities to Chucks plan though the compasses are sat on the bottom. There is no apparent flu for the oil lamp.

 

If anyone has any input on this it would be appreciated.

 

At this time I am leaning towards the Amazon/Chuck design for the Unicorn.

 

 

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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The second question is the position of the wheel and binnacle relative to the mizzen - should they be in front or behind?

 

I made a (very) rough card mockup of a binnacle and tried it and the wheel in front of the mast. There is sufficient room for them. If I adopt this position I will possibly replace the Coral toplight thingy with a grill and get rid of the fanciful shot holder altogether.

 

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The alternative is for the wheel to be behind the mizen as on the Lyme plans held by NMM.

 

The distance on the model from the mizen to the transom is 120mm  or 30 scale feet. On the Lyme plans it is 25ft which scales to 100mm in 1:75. 

 

Some of the additional space on the Unicorn model is taken by the (unlikely) Coral flag lockers. The flag lockers cover the rearmost two bulkheads that stick above the quarter deck level.  Getting rid of these lockers completely, therefore, is a non starter.

 

The Lyme tiller protrudes forward from the cover by 15.4ft which in 1:75 is 61.5mm. I made a card outline of the tiller and cover and tried it with the wheel and binnacle behind the mizzen (I also made a temporary card tunnel over the toplight to allow the wheel to stand in the correct place albeit too high).

 

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Again it fits. I could make a tiller cover that is integrated with the middle of the flag locker with the shallow interior painted black to mask the fact that it doesn't go anywhere.

 

If I do this I am not sure whether to move the cannon forward.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I have other deck furniture to make before I have to finally decide.  

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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Hi Ian, we haven't done one of these Corel strategy sessions in a long while, I miss them :)

 

For the ship's wheel, I would consider putting it behind the mizzen, especially if you are going to add the tiller.  I'm not sure that you could add the tiller and its rigging if it was in front of the mizzen.  I like the idea of integrating the tiller cover into the flag lockers and getting rid of the skylights.  I don't know where the binnacle would go, however.  I can take a look at the AOTS Pandora book tonight and give you more specifics on the binnacle style and location.

 

Interesting - take a look at this amazing model of the Pandora. The ship's wheel and binnacle are ahead of the mizzen.  I don't recall whether the Pandora had an above-deck tiller, however.  It was probably below deck given the location of the "Pandora's Box", a holding cell for the Bounty crew.

 

http://www.shipmodell.com/index_files/0PANDORA3.html

 

 

The Pegasus, however, had an above-deck tiller - here, the ship's wheel and binnacle are behind the mizzen.

 

http://www.historicships.com/TALLSHIPS/Amati/Pegasus/PegasusV7.htm

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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Thanks for the links Mike. Two stunning models. The Pandora was fabulous - I think its scale is slightly larger than ours! :) The Pandora binnacle I notice was as per the NMM/Victory version having 6 panes of glass and no mid shelf with the compasses on the bottom. Could be an interesting challenge to produce something small (1:75) with so much glazing and with no internal strengthening that would not collapse.  Worth a try for the fun of it!

 

The binnacle will fit behind the mast. The Corel layout behind the mizzen is more generous than the Lyme plan. I have seen models with the wheel behind the mast and the binnacle in front. The compasses would have been visible around the mast - just.

 

I am also intrigued with the arrangement behind the mast with lateen rigging. My understanding is that when tacking the mizzen yard had to be swung vertically so that it could be moved to the opposite side of the mast. Must have been quite a dance with the steersmen. Presumably in Lyme/Unicorn times this would not be an issue where the mizzen yard was retained but the sail was lashed down the mast (I have forgotten the right word - getting old).

Ian M.

 

Current build: HMS Unicorn  (1748) - Corel Kit

 

Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error. 

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