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Note: Added some more details to the spoiler in #1439 :-)

 

XXXDAn

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 Oh those marvels of modern technology. Sitting in the car towards a job in Switzerland and being able to update some of the late progress***.

 
Not much was possible, just small bits late night, so one had to find the right subject - I found one, not too far off :-)
 
I love the small etch skylight, but as all etch it misses a bit of depth. Long time I wanted to try something.
 
First glued some 0,25 mm sheet onto the back of the roof using CA  …
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0221.jpg
 
… cleaned the edges, drilled the holes and opened the windows with a file using the brass as template …
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0223.jpg
 
… and then separated the parts very caaaaaaaaarefully using a scalpel.
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0227.jpg
 
Then cleaned the back of the roof and glued the clear sheet onto it by just applying CA on the edges to minimise fumes and mess …
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0229.jpg
 
… and glued the sheet back in place thus resulting into a nice three level sandwich brass-clear sheet-normal sheet with a nice edge with the right thickness :-)
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0228.jpg
 
The sides went alike, first clear, then normal, this time using Evergreen for the glazing bars fixed with UHU-Plast. Like this, the „glass“ is nicely packed in the middle.
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0229.jpg
 
The lower part was left longer on purpose as this gives a nice anchorage on the deck.
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0231.jpg
 
Still added the deck beams …
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0232.jpg
 
… and it already looked rather cute …
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0235.jpg
 
… even reflecting in the light.
 
Victory-poop-skylight_0237.jpg
 
Even though I used clear sheet, how was the original glazed? Using mica for the advantage of not breaking? Or old fashioned very disturbed glas?
 
Cheers, Daniel
 
 
 
PS: ***Do not worry, my colleague is driving ;-)
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Bern in Switzerland at night and it rains cats and dogs. Lovely city with wonderful arcades and beautiful shops, but all closed by this time. To wet to do anything else so I sit underneath the arcades in front of the hotel and do some more addenda - bad luck for you lot ;-)
 
If being fed up with gross motor skilled work like the planking or skylighting, I still had something else to do.
 
As I already knew that I will need two more figure heads, so i decided to do a decent one, and this time to hopefully do a casting of it.
 
Here are two Heller originals. and even here one is less crisp than the other and even that one has the appearance of an old chewed and sucked out chewing gum …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_8503.jpg
 
… that is why I spend several nighttimes giving some TLC wich the help of my scraping skills and a scalpel …
 
Victory-figure-head_9921.jpg
 
… and no, the red is no blood, it is only Edding marker to have a control what i was doing. And suddenly the horse started to jump, the harp harped again, the ice bucket rebecame Charlemagne’s crown and the duke´s hat behated everything once more and the undercuts finally cutted under …
 
… only ..
 
… only the lions where not be be revived by this treatment, so I replaced them by thin sheet like I already did with figure-head.1 :-)
 
And to crown the assembly …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0153.jpg
 
… massacred the old crown …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0155.jpg
 
 … to serve as a bending template for the replacement.
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0156.jpg
 
Hollowed the base …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0159.jpg
 
… and checked how much space was under the spriet mast.
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0160.jpg
 
Shortened the top accordingly …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0174.jpg
 
… and it looked good :-)
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0188.jpg
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0190.jpg
 
O yes the small lettering was also fixed. After using pincers and paint, after spray glue and CA I tried something new, transparent Post-its
 
Cut in small stripes …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0124.jpg
 
… and catch the letter with the sticky side - the transparent allows to see the orientation  - applied little CA …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0135.jpg
 
… placed it and used something pointed to press against the surface …
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0127.jpg
 
… and it fits :-)
 
XXXDAn
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I knew it! I KNEW it!

 
I knew I took pictures while taming the lions :-) Here is the addendum´s addendum.
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0141.jpg
 
Yes that thing in the right lower corner is my scalpel. Some more before-after shots.
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0146.jpg
 
Victory-etch-figurehead_0152.jpg
 
XXXDAn
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Hi Daniel

 

I knew what you are doing at this microscopic scale. But you still get over it every time.............

 

Regards

Gerhard

Problems just mean: solutions not yet found

 

Models in progress

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http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12842-sms-danzig-1851-by-gerhardvienna-radio-150-scale/

USS CAIRO

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Baby Bootlegger 1/10

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Swiss paddlesteamer RIGI 1848 1:50, after plans from the Verkehrshaus Zürich, rescaled to original length

Anchor tugboat BISON, 1:50, plans from VTH, scratch

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See-Ewer ELBE, Constructo kit 1:48

German fastboat after plans from german Reichskriegsmarine measure unknown (too ugly to show up!)

German traffic boat for battleships WW2, 1:50, after plans from Jürgen Eichardt, scratch

German Schnellboot TIGER P6141 VTH plans, scratch

 

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Always makes me drop me jaw, Daniel. :o   Hat's off on some super sub-miniature work.  

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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  • 2 weeks later...

wonderful work Daniel..........super neat detail!  ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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After the match yesterday was **** for my nerves, I had to calm down doing some of my favorite themes ;-)

 
Plumbers work. The drain angle could be possibly optimized towards then windows or - as Livesay indicates - with mock windows the drainage could even go down straight, possibly hidden behind a curtain wall. Does anybody know contemporary details about that?.
 
Victory-head-discharges_0347.jpg
 
Also the front got some discharges to go around the window underneath. Here I chose to point it aft for waves not to get stuck in it and shower the roundhouses inside.
 
Victory-head-discharges_0349.jpg
 
XXXDAn
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Just the way there was too much for old little heard especially the last 47 Minutes, means everything past the usual 90+ mins. And very much the last 17 minutes ...

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I feel for the gun crew on that front port where the discharge pipe is located...   :D  :D  :D    Looks good, Daniel.  I would suspect that the plumbing would be hidden.  These are officer facilities you know.   ;)

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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So after I had no time to continue on the mystery part, here  some addendums to the poop skylight.

 
Even captains and admirals needed some privacy. That is why the skylight was fitted with sliding blinds in between the deck beams to give seclusion ...
 
Victory-poop-deck_0246.jpg
 
... and for enlightenment.
 
Victory-poop-deck_0247.jpg
 
But then I remembered the partitions of the cabins. That meant for the sliders to pass over the bulkheads, so I got this sorted.
 
Victory-poop-deck_0249.jpg
 
And once on the run, the two small cabins beside the wheel were added too.
 
Victory-poop-deck_0254.jpg
 
And two more remarks: The flag pole - a very subtle hint to skip the plastic spars and to make wooden replacements.
 
Victory-poop-deck_0257.jpg
 
And I was asked to also show the Heller original parts - here they are :-)
One more nice enlightenment I had too. Heller positions 4 eyebolts around the mizzen mast: one left, one right, one fore and one aft. i first had them and already moved the fore and aft half a planck thickness to the side to not sit on the seam. Then I realised the Vic in P. has 3 bolts in a row on each side. Doing the beams underneath the poop deck I realised why, the rings are sitting on the small carling beside the mast and can be fixed much better that way.
 
Victory-poop-deck_0251.jpg
 
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That's some awesome work there Daniel..... it's a treat when checking out your log ,seeing all the amazing things you come up with.

 

Frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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Your eye for detail is beyond impressive, Daniel.  The sliders for the skylights is something that I don't believe ever gets modeled.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Thank you Mark and Frank!

 

So the plastic asparagus is already history :-)

 
Victory-flagstaff_0581.jpg
 
Naturally with the proper pommel at its end with 2 pairs of integrated and working* sheaves and halyard.
 
Victory-flagstaff_0590.jpg
 
And as everything in life should be grounded on a solid base, I overworked the Heller parts**... 
 
Victory-flagstaff_0594.jpg
 
... and placed everything in situ. As alway standing on one leg is not good, I added the two flag lockers and covered them.
 
Victory-flag-locker_0604.jpg
 
And now I am trying to find out about the sizes of the signal flags. Left 12 x 14 feet as found in Atkin´s "Trafalgar companion" and approx 3 x 4 feet the size mostly found in NMM.
 
Victory-signal_flags_0607.jpg
 
More here:
 
XXXDAn
 
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**YES really you read right: Heller parts!
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I still owe you one ...

 
... how the partners of the flag staff were build?
 
Victory-poop-deck_0255.jpg
 
No, something else ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0333.jpg
 
... a piece of sheet, left a rectangular acrylic, then some stripes of Evergreen to keep even distances ...
 
Victory-mystery_0335.jpg
 
... and yes, that is the mysterious picture of before, and then opening the gaps with the side cutter ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0336.jpg
 
... and lengthened ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0338.jpg
 
... but why?
 
As the first try to do the compartments of the flag lockers went completely wrong :-(
 
Victory-flag-locker_0339.jpg
 
That is why some much more crisp workout made the difference ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0340.jpg
 
... then the side parts ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0341.jpg
 
... the small yellow tape giving the angle ...
 
Victory-flag-locker_0344.jpg
 
... and a nice before and after shot :-)
 
Victory-flag-locker_0345.jpg
 
So, that is where we are ...
 
Cheers, DAniel
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such wonderful work Daniel.........the decks look great!    really great progress........would never thought how to make a locker like that.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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"... would never thought how to make a locker like that."

 

... neither did I ;-)

 

Thank you Popeye!

 

XXXDAn

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Pretty clever their "Capt,". Daniel........

 

frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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Thank you Maurice :-)

 
As on another place, there is the "war of the thimbles" raging, here is my input for special small ones.
 
A brass tube of 1mm outside and 0,5 mm inside is secured with a core of high-grade steel wire ...
 
Victory-kauschen_0693.jpg
 
... and placed upon a hard acrylic surface and a cutter blade is use to roll in a groove ...
 
Victory-kauschen_0692.jpg
 
... then the blade is placed further in and with pressing rolling the thimble is cut off.
 
Then the core is used as handle to sand off the edges ...
 
Victory-kauschen_0688.jpg
 
... and ready is the thimble of 1 mm outside, 0,5 mm inside and 0,5 mm thickness with 0,5 mm hight with groove.
 
Victory-kauschen_0695.jpg
 
Production is quite easy and if necessary also possible with reduced hight - then without the groove :-)
 
Victory-kauschen_0701.jpg
 
Cheers, Daniel
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And what´s a thimble without a rope ?!?

 
Took off the inner edges to give the typical rounding on the inside ...
 
Victory-thimbles_0713.jpg
 
... hooked them up to put them into the blackening soup and to get them out without having to search ...
 
Victory-thimbles_0732.jpg
 
... ok, first trial was not the wanted result as smartened ropes can´t be sliced ...
 
Victory-thimbles_0733.jpg
 
... so to be smart no smartening but a splice, inserted the thimble and closed the loop ...
 
Victory-thimbles_0738.jpg
 
... smartened the ends off and lashed it down ...
 
Victory-thimbles_0741.jpg
 
... and went happy about the result :-)
 
Victory-thimbles_0752.jpg
 
XXXDAn
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Daniel,

 

You posts 1468, 1469 are beyond my comprehension at that scale BRILLIANT work that looks so perfect. Congrats. Well there are also other posts that are also superlative examples of detailing (;-)

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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... just wanted to work a bit on the bitts ...

 

At one point I just realised, that the cross pieces were underneath the knees of my sailors - somewhat short it appears.

So do your own ones dear dafi and take the chance to add the needed number of sheaves by doing so.

 

So I took McKays measures but the result appeared a bit high. So I did the mistake to start investigating ...

 
New modern sources like Schrade give 1,2 meters height for the total height above the deck whereas McKay indivcats 1,4 meters.
 
 
Then looked at Goodwins Construction und Fitting summing up Steels measurements - and I was totally lost ...
 
More to be found here
 
So here is the situation, before I send my dear Proxon Micromiller into a prematurely holliday.
 
Mizzen and main bitts were done, the crosspieces for the fores and the pre-cuts for the bitts themselves.
 
Victory-160731_1199b.jpg
 
And already somethings in red to be adapted:
Slimming down the crosspieces a bit, easy-bisy :-)
 
The bitts of mizzen and main have to be shortened a bit. Also to be done by some clean cuts on the circular saw. Just how much, THAT is the question?!?
 
Victory-160731_1199c.jpg
 
And then I am sure in strongly believing that the fore bitts will be an easy game too :-)
 
XXXDAn
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wonderful work, thank you yet again for sharing with us

Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on
 

All the best

Kevin :omg:


SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS.
KEEP IT REAL!

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On the build table

HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 

 

 

HMHS Britannic by Kevin 

SD 14  - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 -  Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72   U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48  Amerigo Vespucci     1/84 - Panart-   HMS Enterprise  -CAF -  1/48     

Finished     

St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020

HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished   Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 

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dont know if you have seen this (will delete if you have)

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13930-a-tour-of-hms-victory-from-vhs-tape-1993/

Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on
 

All the best

Kevin :omg:


SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS.
KEEP IT REAL!

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On the build table

HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 

 

 

HMHS Britannic by Kevin 

SD 14  - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 -  Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72   U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48  Amerigo Vespucci     1/84 - Panart-   HMS Enterprise  -CAF -  1/48     

Finished     

St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020

HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished   Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 

Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat

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very nice work Daniel

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Thank you Kevin and Popeye!

 

Finally some time for tinkering ...

 
First shortened the first version of the mizzen topsail sheet bitts to 90 cm height ...
 
Victory-beting-160807_1268.jpg
 
... and adapted to the fall of the mast. Then worked the fore brace bitts.
 
Then carved new main top bowline and fore topsail sheet bitts and added the needed number of sheaves. 
 
Victory-beting-160807_1271.jpg
 
Victory-beting-160807_1280.jpg
 
Victory-beting-160807_1278.jpg
 
As I (still) follow McKay for the rigging, I opted for the fore topsail sheet bitts with a third sheave bolted to the side for the foretop sheets, fore sail clue lines and bowlines. As the maintop bowline bitts held only the fore yard sheer falls and the top sail bowlines, I omitted the third sheave - one sometimes is lazy , you know ;-)
 
Here to compare with the kits parts. Surprisingly the basic measures are quite near the ones I choose - the kit is surely better that its reputation :-)
Theonly thing are the details, still difficult to cast at the times the kit was developed .
 
Victory-beting-160807_1285.jpg
 
Victory-beting-160807_1287.jpg
 
Still the mizzen topsail sheet bitts with the partners to bolt it onto the deck beams.
 
Victory-beting-160807_1291.jpg
 
XXXDAn
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