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HMS Dragon build by Siggi52 - Scale 1:48, English 74 Gunner 1760


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Hello,

 

many thanks for your help. I changed the color already yesterday evening and it looks much better. Some things you could see only when you tried both versions. But the two color version was too wild and sucks up the carving and as Carl wrote, I have the two tones due to the shade of the carving.

 

Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

 

the aft screen is ready and the captain is very pleased. (I hope he will spend some drinks this evening  :rolleyes: )

 

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He looks where to place the decks chairs

 

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Have a nice weekend,

Siggi

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Really wonderful, Siggi.

 

Where do you found the information about the painting of your model? I like to paint my Fly also later, but didnt found a good source.

Regards Christian

 

Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36

On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777

Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48

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Good morning Christian,

 

did you mean the painting in general? That was not so easy, but you find a lot of information in the historic models. Even when there the carvings often not painted. You lost a lot of the small details then. In the “Shipwright 2011“ is an article from Jonathon Kinghorn also with other historic sources and than here and there something. Mondfeld for example.

 

I think it is the right way to show these ships. They are looking so wonderful in full color. Even when a „only wood“ model has it's own flair. So I'm looking forward with your Fly. I started also with a half model from plywood. Only to get a feeling, because I had never before done something like that.

 

Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Robin,

 

may be that is right for cup boards, but luckily not for bulwarks  ;) But I felt some cold sweat at my forhead when I read your post and looked immediately through all my pictures. I know that they had pillars on both sides of the bulwark (not always), but I hadn't looked if also the paneling is on both sides if the bulwark. But it is.

 

Here some pictures that Mark posted, on all my pictures the bulwarks are only from one side to see  :(

 

Regards,

Siggi

 

The Ajax

 

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and the Warrior

 

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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What I found out when I looked at these pictures is, they had no windows in the doors at this bulwark  :huh: I did't noticed that earlier. 

That means a lot of work tomorrow

 

Siggi

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Don't worry Robin. Without your question I may be never would found out, or to late, that I made a mistake. And that is the reason I'm here, that others could control my work. Thank you for that.

I broke the windows out without any harm to the bulwark. So I must tomorrow build only new panelings for the doors. 

 

Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

 

now the bulwark revised edition 2.0 and I hope the last one. The only bad thing about this is, that I could't use the windows again. Some are broken and the rest did't fit. That was a lot of work for nothing. But **** happens! The next windows would be a lot better, because of experience. 

 

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Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Siggi,

 

After this build you will be master model door maker, and panel specialist. It may be a lot of work, but pose yourself the question: "Could you have lived with it knowing it should be done different ..."

 

I say worth the extra mile, Siggi, it shows your prowes

Carl

"Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson
Search and you might find a log ...

 

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When I visited HMS Victory, the canons in he great cabin were lined up against the outer hull.

 

I hope this helps

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Amazing work, Siggi.  Everyone is right.. we've all been there.. rework seems to be a part of this hobby as is leaving a few drops of blood now and then.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

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CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Many thanks for your mental support. It is not the first piece I made twice or more often, but these windows are soo difficult to make  :( They are from bone, what I never again would use. 

 

At the moment I build the front bulwark new. At the pictures I saw that it was a little out of the vertical axis. To find the exact vertical axis is a great problem with this art of model. Because the two sides are not equal planked, the sides are working different. How to manage that in it's final case, is a great problem I have to solve in the future. 

 

Robin, is it important how they did it? If you look at picture from the Victory, they have the same design for the bulwarks and doors. Ok, they are I think from the 19th century and machined, but in the 18th century they could work with a plain and got the same results. 

 

Michael, did you also remember where they stored all the side arms and gunnery equipment from the quarter deck and especially the great cabin? That would be the next problem with the cannons here. The rammers, sponges and wad hooks are too long to be stored between the gun ports, there where is no poop deck above. And I think that the captain would't have them in his cabin between the beams. 

 

Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hello,

 

the great cabin is ready! That was a lot of interesting work. 

 

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The next thing to install are the knees, but first without the beams. 

 

And if anyone knows more about the storing of the gunnery equipment, your knowledge is welcome. For more details please see my last posting.

 

Regards,

Siggi

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Siggi, A very harmonious arrangement in the stern. The colors work well together, and the green paneling is not only historically based, but also gives a good sense of the privileges enjoyed by the captain. I had always been thinking that I would not fully plank the upper deck of the Bellona, but your checkerboard and green paneling are causing me to re-think this.

 

Mark

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Hello,

 

don't worry, I'm well. But the King called to the arms, so I gave the men at the shipyard vacation until next month.

 

Here two pictures I took some years ago, Hessian Jaeger and some British troops on the march and at combat. 

 

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More about this event you may find here: http://hessen-militär.de

 

Regards,

Siggi

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Robin, be patient. The sun is shining and there is so much to do outside the cellar, that I have no need to go under the surface. But I have sorted the cannons already and looked what I have to redo there. 

 

Today I have to fill up my last week brewed beer into bottles. Very important!  :rolleyes:

 

Regards,

Siggi

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Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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priorities:

 

      1. beer

      2, sun

      3. boat

 

got it

 

we learn so much here!

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Alan O'Neill
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Wonderful built HMS Dragon Siggi,

 

interior Fitting out of bulkheads and cabin walls are first class..

 

Nils

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Hello,

 

today the wether is rainy and the hedgerow is already cut (yesterday), so I went into the cellar and started working very carefully with the cannons. Just to get the feeling  ;)

 

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Mark (Bellona), what is with your cannons? We did't hear nothing from you the last time.

 

Regards,

Siggi

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Siggi

 

Just the wedge, the tapered piece of wood, to lift or lower the guns for shooting ... it's not a common word, and I found most dictionairies dio not have it listed as it isn't used in every day speach

 

Cheers

Carl

"Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson
Search and you might find a log ...

 

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Carl,

I did know since Druxey once used this word what ist means. (a cornerstone said my Mac then!) And I thought that you are playing with that, because I could't see anything special in these wedges. So my answer was more ironically. 

 

Siggi

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Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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Hi Siggi,

 

Your cannon look great. And thanks for asking about my progress on the Bellona, which has been little since spring except for a little more CAD drawing. Work and family related issues have closed down the shipyard for some time. Maybe when the nights get longer in the winter.....

 

I will continue to follow your progress as a road map for me, when I can return to the shipyard.

 

Best wishes,

 

Mark

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Hello,

 

it is done, the last cannons are ready. Six at all. But before I could install them, I have to build all the knees for the deck beams and they are so tiny here  :(

 

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Regards,

Siggi

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Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

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