uss frolick Posted August 5, 2015 Share #31 Posted August 5, 2015 I am mainly interested in studying the USS Chesapeake model to learn of American Naval deck, rigging, carving an fitting details not documented on the few surviving plans. 74_boni and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_boni Posted August 5, 2015 Share #32 Posted August 5, 2015 Very detailed photos of the bone ship model USS Chesapeake will be in the book as annouced under Literature (Stein 2015) in www.pow-boneships.de. Since the model is made in the scale 1:48, and it measures144 x 96 cm, there will be much details which you are looking for. mtaylor and uss frolick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 5, 2015 Share #33 Posted August 5, 2015 This book will be available in the US from IPG Publishers in October. The postal costs will be much diminished by purchasing it in the US. uss frolick 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted September 11, 2015 Share #34 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I received an email from Amazon saying the book http://www.amazon.com/dp/3782212053/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=15MDPTYF1B3A&coliid=I14FD0JY5L67BD will be available soon and to pre-order it, but at 140 US.Dlls, I'm going to have to pass at least until Christmas. Edited September 11, 2015 by Ulises Victoria alangr4 and uss frolick 2 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted August 21, 2017 Share #35 Posted August 21, 2017 Two years later: Did anybody get this book yet? mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted August 22, 2017 Share #36 Posted August 22, 2017 Never letting a chance go by to expand my library I did get a copy off Amazon a while back. It is really nicely produced with very detailed photos. There are many close up photos to see the intricate details. Subjects in the book are from collections around the world. Interesting not too much info on the collection in Annapolis Naval Academy. Overall a really nice addition to the collection. mtaylor 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted August 22, 2017 Share #37 Posted August 22, 2017 But lots of photos of the USF Chesapeake, right? mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted August 23, 2017 Share #38 Posted August 23, 2017 14 hours ago, uss frolick said: But lots of photos of the USF Chesapeake, right? About 25 or so pages on the Chesapeake mtaylor and uss frolick 2 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_boni Posted August 23, 2017 Share #39 Posted August 23, 2017 You are right with the CHESAPEAKE in the POW Boneship book. In the next edition there will be a completely revised text, and some additional pictures. uss frolick and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_boni Posted June 15, 2020 Share #40 Posted June 15, 2020 Hi folks, my book on POW Bone Ship Models is available for some time, and work on the 2nd edition is done. The chapter on the CHESAPEAKE will be completely re-written, since there has been done considerable research in cooperation with the Hampton Roads Naval Museum, Norfolk, VA. In the blog - published by the Hampton Roads Naval Museum - you may see what the essence of the new chapter will be. Please have a look at the blog: http://hamptonroadsnavalmuseum.blogspot.com/2018/02/chesapeake-to-bone.html Landlubber Mike, mtaylor and MEDDO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted June 15, 2020 Share #41 Posted June 15, 2020 Thank you for the link the information is excellent Landlubber Mike and mtaylor 2 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portsoy Posted June 16, 2020 Share #42 Posted June 16, 2020 There is a beautiful bone model frigate in the National Maritime Museum, Sydney, next to the boat which acheived the speed record on water. It was made by a French prisoner of war in Edinburgh Castle according to the plaque next to it. A real work of art and worth a look if you are in Sydney. gieb8688, mtaylor, WalrusGuy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk1313 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #43 Posted June 16, 2020 Hello All, I got the Book from the Library Interchange. I also read the Hampton Roads article. My opinion is that the Bone Model of the USF Chesapeake was made for the British market to Honor the British victory, and not for the Widow of Lawrence. If the model was built by the American crew there are a number of problems with its build. The rigging follows British practice and Not American. The deck plan differs from the Chesapeake. It is missing hatches and the galley. As for the stern, I agree with the Hampton Roads Article. I went with a different design on my model of the Chesapeake, More William Rush's first ideas on American Ship Stern . I am half way done with rigging the sails... I was going to do a build log, but my computer hard drive died and I Lost everything, Research and pictures. Slowly getting stuff back, only had some old stuff backed up. I need the photograph the Chesapeake and the Fleet again and back up things better. Live and learn!? I hope All are well- Hal mtaylor and Landlubber Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted June 16, 2020 Share #44 Posted June 16, 2020 French prisoner of war models are still on the market for the well healed amongst us. For example, recently sold for 48,000 pounds: https://www.charlesmillerltd.com/auction/lot/261-a-large-finely-carved-and-well-presented-early-19th-century-napoleonic-french-prisoner-of-war-bone-ship-model-for-a-first-rate-ship-of-the-line-traditionally-identified-as-hms-caledonia/?lot=12815&au=46&sd=1# A more modest 4000-6000 pound bid might get you this smaller model: https://www.charlesmillerltd.com/auction/lot/73-a-napoleonic-french-prisoner-of-war-bone-model-for-the-74-gun-frigate-illustrious-circa-1810/?lot=13707&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=51&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=2&g=1# mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 16, 2020 Share #45 Posted June 16, 2020 Note: if you are planning to bid on the current auction, be aware of the 24%(!) buyer's premium and, if you live in the U.K., the VAT as well. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted June 16, 2020 Share #46 Posted June 16, 2020 There are no surviving deck plans of the Chesapeake to compare the model with. The outboard profile is different with respect to the number and position of the spar deck ports. But this could just be put down to not having a plan in prison to work off of, and not remembering exactly how the ports were positioned, so they just placed them between the gun deck ports as was traditional practice. Not a bad reconstruction given that the crew had been together at sea for only six hours when they were taken. I wonder where the the Mrs. Lawrence provenance story came from, and how the model ended up in Germany. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 16, 2020 Share #47 Posted June 16, 2020 Pretty well all POW models are constructed from the makers' imaginations. Many ship models were generic, and a name that was in the news at the time applied to the model for marketing purposes. This backs up Seahawk's assertion that "My opinion is that the Bone Model of the USF Chesapeake was made for the British market to Honor the British victory, and not for the Widow of Lawrence." Most, if not all, POW models were made by the French in captivity. Is there any evidence that American POW's made bone models? mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk1313 Posted June 17, 2020 Share #48 Posted June 17, 2020 Just a note, When the Fox deck plan is scaled to the Chesapeake plans, they match well ( gun ports, deck width to length). There is a minor difference with the position of the Main Mast and the Mizzen , about 5 or 6 inches. This is why I think Fox's deck is for the Chesapeake. If I remember correctly, It didn't work for the Philadelphia when I tried it on her plans- Hal uss frolick and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_boni Posted June 17, 2020 Share #49 Posted June 17, 2020 Hi folks, the question, whether American POWs have fabricated Bone Ships may be answered by two citations from: Abell, Francis 1914. Prisoners of War in Britain, 1756 to 1815. Abell writes on pages 84 PRISONERS OF WAR IN BRITAIN Among the specimens of American ingenuity I most admired their ships, which they built from three to five feet long. . . . Had not the French proved themselves to be a very brave people, I should have doubted it by what I have observed of them on board the prison-ship. DARTMOOR 251 American prisoners imitated their French companions in manufacturing all sorts of objects of use and ornament for sale. Take care, 74_Boni druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 17, 2020 Share #50 Posted June 17, 2020 Thank you, Boni. Three to five feet long seems unusually large, though. Most surviving bone models are smaller than 3' 0" long and many are miniature in size. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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