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HMB Endeavour by Adrieke - Artesania Latina - 1768 - scale 1:60 made to look like the replica at the ANMM

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although i am still working mostly on  the king of the mississippi i couldnt resist starting on her

 

from reading the plans and also reading some of the other build logs (hoping they wil be restored) there is a fair bit of mistakes that need to be corrected.

 

i have taken some pictures to show th errors

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Hi Adrieke, good luck with your build. 

 

Great to see that you have spotted the errors and have a chance to correct these before you assemble the skeleton.  You have identified the slot in bulkhead 5 - what is the error there - is it that it doesn't align with the top (flat) of the spine at that fitting point?  Mine (the flat) was actually a little high and simply had to e sanded down.

 

Also is this a 1:80 (as stated in your title)?   That will make some of the scaleconversions for some of your fittings quite interesting :)

 

Look forward to seeing her come to life.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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hello Pat

 

first of all thanks for pointing out that i had the wrong scale there :)

 

for bulkhead 5 if its fitted correctly the slot didnt line up with the one for the next bulkhead. sanded it out a bit more so that the lower deck is completly horizontal. is that what you had to do too ?

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Hi again Adrieke, sort of - but in my case it was the other way around; the bottom lip of the slot sat too low and I had to sand the flat of the spine down a bit.   I must admit, I did not seem to have as may issues as you have found with the shape of the spine, but I did not check as closey as you appear to have.  I had to pack a couple of the bulkhead slots, and file down others to get the bulkheads to align correctly (with the bearding line and top of the spine), and I also encountered that bow shape/contour issue (but not as marked as your's appears to be).

 

The major issue I had was the contour / run / fair (??) of the bulkhead tops in the forecastle area, as when I placed the false deck, it was left too high for the hawse holes for the anchor cables to be shown correctly (the hawse holes ended up below the deck line).  Unfortunately I did not pick this up until too late and I assumed (I know :)) that if the bulkheads aligned with the top of the spine the countour would be correct.  This said, other AL builders do not seem to have experienced this problem.  I think your fixes may resolve this issue, but it would pay to be extra carefule before gluing the false deck in place :)

 

It makes you wonder what sort of Quality Control is in place when the same kit parts (supposedly off the same production line) can differ so much?

 

cheers

 

Pat

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hello Pat

 

wel after seeing all the issues in the other build logs i was determined to check everything very carefuly :)

 

it seems al have issues with the hawse holes as the ones on the virginia are slightly below the deck also. so i was already warned about that and will check carefuly.

 

the virginia was my first ship and i didnt pay too much attention to how she was planked except for makign sure there where no flat or bulky parts.

the mississippi has not really got any difficult planking so the Endeavour wil be my first attempt to make it all perfect :)

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ok after another night of measuring and comparing with the plans i seem to have two options

 

the flase keel is 2mm longer then the full sized plans. the dimensions in the part list seems to correspond with the plans

 

so option 1 i make the false keel the same length as the plans which means a fair bit of sanding and maybe even repositioning some bulkheads

 

option 2 i leave it like it is and make sure to measure every part and not go on the dimensions in the part list. this option is ofcourse the easy way

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Another option maybe to go by the actual proportions of the ship.  That is, if at 1:60; calculate the actual size (from available/known data) of the relevant part etc (e.g. length of the keel or breadth etc) iaw the real dimensions and then see which of the above is closer in general  (the part, the drawing/plan or the list :) )

 

In general, I found the skeletal dimensions pretty close as cut but needed some tweaking.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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hello Pat

 

the difference is only 2 mm which in the real ship would be only 12cm so would probably be difficult to determine

i think i have the follow my obsession with trying to follow plans instructions to the letter. so i will reduce the false keel a bit and reposition some of the bulkheads.

 

while trying out the false decks i also noticed that the hole in the aft deck is about 6mm further backwards then on the drawing and the photo of the build model so i ll need to reposition that one too

 

that reminds me of work when at the certain time we where ordered to make temporary holes in some wooden tables to allow for cabling of computers.

would be great in the model ship buildign if we had a device to make temporary holes so we can unmake any mistakes we make :P

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Amen to that, bit like building to an 'interim' plan!

:cheers:

Pat

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now i have to get a copy of the plan so i can glue it to the keel and start on her :)

 

i know i am probably fussing too much over it but i feel like this is my first big build and i want it to come out the best i can do

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Hi Adrieke,

 

I see that it was to difficult for you to not pick up an other build.

You are not the only one!

I'm glad that you find the errors.

Now you can fix them in a proper way.

I will looking over your shoulder to see how you brings this to an end.

Enjoy!

 

Sjors

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hi Sjors

 

oh i am definately hooked on ship building just like and Anja :)

 

this build wil be my test to see if i can put together a decent one so fixing the errors is a good start

 

thanks for following this build as i am grateful for any help with this

 

and i am following both yours and Anja's build logs :)

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well that was a complete waste of time

 

i had cut out the keel fofrm the copies and glued it to the keel

 

then i noticed that instead of the paper being shorter it was longer

 

i checked with the plans and then i find out the copies are actualy larger then the original and totaly useless

 

sigh

 

tomorrow i ll need to remove the paper and then i ll just manualy draw the areas that need to change on

 

that will teach me tryiing to be lazy

 

 

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Ach Adrieke,

 

Such things happened.

 

I'm glad that you find it out now and not when you are further at the build.

It keeps you of the street!

 

Sjors

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hi sjors

 

its no big deal just a bit more work :) and compared to the 100s of hours i l be putting into her jsut a small set back

 

and my wife was the one that got me off the street so its her duty to keep me off :)

 

anyway bed time for me

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Sleep well my friend and sweet dreams.

 

Sjors

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have made a bit of progress

 

i sanded off the 2 mm from the false keel

now makign sure all bulkheads slide in to the correct depth which means about 1.5 mm from the bottom of the false keel acording to the plan the exact thickness of the planking strips

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Where, where ,where,

 

I don't see a thing…...

 

Sjors

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haha Sjors

 

sorry didnt put any pics on yet

 

i have finished with getting the bulkheads to the proper depth

 

also rough sanded the top of the bulkheads as it will be very deifficult once they are glued in to use my rotary tool to sand them and will save me some time manualy sanding

 

will take some pictures of this later today for you Sjors ;)

 

i decided not to move any bulkheads as the 1 mm difference is so small and later on when fairing al lthe bulkheads wil be unnoticable anyway

 

i did however took of 1 mm of the widht of one of the bulkheads . this is where the middle deck will fit in

i wil have to add about 1 mm of thickness on another one but will do that when the bulkheads are glued in

 

i decided to glue the 2 front bulkheads together and later on the rounded front bit.

this way i can easily use the rotary tool to do a rough fairing of the front

 

i drew the bearding line at the back of the false keel. its a bit wavy but it gives me an idea

 

i have never done this but to me it seems about right

 

any suggestions or comments would be appreciated :)

 

 

 

 

 

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all bulkheads dry fitted to mkae sure they are all where they should be. doing this i noticed that i messed up the bearding line need to redo that one

 

i can now rough sand the front 2 bulkheads

 

i noticed that the aft deck width is a lot less then the bulkheads

 

do i need to narrow the bulkheads or is the deck too small :(

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Hi Adrieke,

 

Just a thought of me…...

Is there no bulwark coming?

Maybe that's the reason the bulkheads are to big?

Or a waterline?

Because when you put the planking on it, you have an little opening and you can cover that with the waterline.

 

Sjors

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Adrieke, have fun with this nice ship.

 

Sanding the bulkheads in a proper way is priority in my opinion, afterwards it's easier to adjust the deck. Just my 2 cents.

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Sjors

 

the instructions say to glue the gunwales to the outer edge of the deck and then sand them following th einclinations of the bulkheads

looking at the picture i can see that they are glued on top of the deck and not agaisnt it

but they are 5 mm wide so they would cover the smal gap and the are planked on the outside also

 

unless i can find something to suggest the deck is th ecorrect width i ll do it that way

 

thanks for you rinput Sjors and Wim :)

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Ok,

 

Good luck with it Adrieke,

 

Let us see the results  :)

 

Sjors

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well i didnt too well with the rabet line and all  :(

 

should be able to fix it all up though so not too worried

 

and yay i finaly starting on glueing the bulkheads on

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it sure is Sjors

 

after a few weeks measuring and planning the furst bulkhead glued in feels good :)

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thank you :)

 

2 more bulkheads fitted

 

at first i tought that fitting the wooden bits was a waste of time but bulkhead 11 resisted lining up properly until i put them in place

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