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Instead of starting to continue to plank the hull, I spend some time on developing an different  technique to create a gun carriage.
This is the prototype I came up with..
 
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The provided gun barrels which are included with the kit, are not matching the gun barrels on the lower deck, I'm not completely sure yet why they are so different ..

 

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Thanks Sjors it is appreciated,

 

 

Yeah i must admit it is starting to get quite a bit darker over here
i Blame it on OcCre and their provided cast metal parts.
 
I noticed that your Le Mirage has gun port hatches made of wood so i guess you don't have to move to the dark side

 

Anyway it keeps me busy and off the street   :)

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I did some adjustments on the provided gun barrels,
Luckily i have some good connections to a lathe, the prototype is now a much better match when comparing them with the gun barrels on the lower decks..
 
But during positioning of the gun carriage I found out that I have made the gun carriage slightly too high.
underneath some pictures of the gun carriage in position ..

 

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Unfortunatly i have mass produced these sides so i'm not sure yet if i want to adjust them at this point,
Maybe i feel more like it  when i'm further in the build 

Best wishes, Theo

 

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Aargghh ..
After going through the published  build log, I realized that there’s no pictures of how the original carriages and gun barrels provided by the kit looks like.
So here are some pictures of the original supplied and the prototype..
 
as you will see i have to adjust the hight of the carriages 

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..maybe changing the size of the wheels could do the trick..
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Best wishes, Theo

 

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Enough about cannons for a while, i started preparations for the hull planking..

I started to divide the hull on 3 of the middle frames into 20mm sections where app. 4 “full” planks should be fitted 

 

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After this I used a 1mm thick flexible lath and pinned it onto the 3 marked frames and bend the lath in a natural but “straight” line towards the bow & stern and marked the position.

 

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After done all positions on both sides and some minor adjustments, the sections on the bow and stern looks as follows:

 

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The idea is to equally  tapper 4 planks in such a way that they will fill out an marked section.

When needed i will use drop planks and stealers to achieve the best result

Best wishes, Theo

 

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Santisima Trinidad -> Build log

 

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Smit Rotterdam -> Gallery

 

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Thank you David & Runner63 for the compliments, you’re more than welcome to follow along and learn from my mistakes  :)
 
Not a lot of process this week as work keeps me quite busy at the moment.
Here are a few pictures of what I have been doing so far.
 
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I managed to cover the first section on both sides, I only roughly sanded it and will wait with a finer grid until the hull is fully planked.
With my curent workload this could take some months before i'm done !!

 

Best wishes, Theo

 

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Smit Rotterdam -> Gallery

 

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Hi Theo

I will definitely be following this as I really do fancy building this one as it is a beautiful ship

It is certainly coming on very well for you

Good luck with it  :10_1_10:

 

Mick

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Just really reading this whole post carefully and I will have to post questions as I go  ;)  :P

When I did both of my sailing ships I used thread for caulking and for the Spirit I have used pencil as they advised

I have to say I wish I had used thread again as IMO the finish is not as good

Have you or anyone reading this used thread AND another method so they can compare ??

Have you used thread in the past Grant ??

Loving reading through the build in the hopes I will do it myself one day  :dancetl6:

I am presuming the false decks are to prevent looking through a deck at a big hole ??

 

Mick

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Hi Theo,

 

Nice job on the planking on the stern.

I know how difficult it is!

But good work!

And if it takes moths, so then it takes months…...

No rush!

 

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Hej Nick Sjors, …,

Thank you for the encouraging words, i need it at this stage  :)

It is not going so fast as I had hoped for at all and the planking is quite tricky (being a planking amateur)

 

Nick you’re right, I  mounted the extra false decks to prevent looking at a big hole, but some of the false decks are also needed for mounting stairs further ahead in the build.

Besides this I used them to practice the caulking, nail & wax technique. 

 

 

So not a lot of new things happened in the build, but Finally.., I finished with the second planking section on both sides..

To obey the planking rule of not to taper a plank more than half of its original thickness, I had to be a bit creative on the bow section and used the stealer technique.

 

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This is the stern & bow so far without any sanding 

 

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I hope that sanding is enough to give me the finish I’m hoping for. But I will wait to find out for now..

Best wishes, Theo

 

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Hi Theo

I know with the much smaller scale ships I built that getting the planking lining up right was one of the most difficult jobs

Yours looks pretty good though and as Sjors says should sand down a treat

 

Can I just ask, as someone who hasn't had any input with earlier builds, what is stealer technique???

 

Keep it going  :cheers:

 

Mick

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Thanks Sjors  :dancetl6:

 

Mick

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You find it?

It's something that I can not understand.

Those stealers and drop planks…...

I think I have to visit someone who can show me how it works….

Any volunteers?

 

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Hej Sjors,Mick …
 
I will try to explain, basically a ”half stealer” or ”full stealer” is a planking technique to fill out a “section” ..
 
In my case I “created” 20mm sections on the middle bulkheads of the Santisima Trinidad.
"I choose 20mm" as the planks provided with the kit are app. 5 mm wide, so theoretically I can/should use 4 planks to fill out the middle sections.
 
But as the planks should bend “straight” and in a natural way, these sections become usually smaller or bigger on the bow & stern, you can see the sections I created in an earlier post.
 
Another burden is a “rule” saying that planks should not be tapered more than ½ it’s wide.
In my case this means that each plank when tappering should not be smaller than 2,5 mm at the ends.
 
As the end of the bow section in this example didn’t measured more than 5 mm, I could not use 4 planks in this bow section.
In fact I only could use 2 planks (2x 2,5mm=5mm)..
 
The first bulkhead from the bow didn’t measured more than 10mm, so in this case I could use 4 planks tapered to 2,5 mm in width (4x 2,5mm=10mm)
 
So I was more or less “forced” to start using a so called “half stealer” , starting at the first bulkhead…
 
As pictures normally make more sense I draw a few lines on the previous posted pictures, i hope it makes more sense now and that it will clear up the fog a little..

 

 

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the yellow lines marks the "half stealer" ..

 

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i guess you could say that these 2 "half stealers" (marked in yellow) form a "drop plank"  :)

Best wishes, Theo

 

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Morning Theo,

 

Thank you!  :D

I understand what you are saying….now I have to do it once!

But that can take a while .

First two other ships to finish.

When the time is there I will come back to you!

 

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I must admit I have never seen that before

When I did the two small scale ships I didn't realise there was any rule and I took the planks down to whatever was needed

I thought it looked ok but whether it was right or not was another thing

 

Is this how it would have been done IRL ???

 

Mick

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Salute Theo,

She is a floating fortress :D ...

You can build almost half a mediocre ship in the same time of handling cannons and gun ports and lids... I envy you the patience and the skill you have showed...

Best Regards…

Ferit KUTLU

 

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GTM - very well explained

Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on
 

All the best

Kevin :omg:


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Salute Theo,

She is a floating fortress :D ...

You can build almost half a mediocre ship in the same time of handling cannons and gun ports and lids... I envy you the patience and the skill you have showed...

 

 

 

Hej Ferit, Nice of you to drop by 

Tell me about it :) I just started the production line for the carriages and guess what.. next in line "the lids", so i know for sure what i will be doing the next couple of months ..

 

 

 

 

GTM - very well explained

 

Thanks Kevin. 

 

 

 

 

Best wishes, Theo

 

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I just started the production line for the carriages and guess what.. next in line "the lids", so i know for sure what i will be doing the next couple of months ..

 

 

Life does really does get in the way of all the important things doesn't it Theo  :(

 

Mick

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