Brenticus Posted March 6, 2015 Share #1 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) My fellow model shipwrights, I want to build a model of the Kalmar Nyckel (http://www.kalmarnyckel.org/), but apparently none exists. I lack the skill to build a wooden one from scratch. However, since I am going to crew her this year, I am absolutely champing at the bit to have a model of her. The Kalmar Nyckel (a pinnace) looks a lot like a galleon and is of that era, so I thought maybe a galleon could be modified to look like her. The Revell Spanish Galleon was out, since its aftercastle is too high and the stern itself has two balconies. The Golden Hind, however, looks pretty close. The plans of both are attached for comparison (My thanks to KeithW for the Kalmar Nyckel plans). The Kalmar Nyckel has a shallower draught, especially toward the stern. The wales up above the weather deck are entirely different, and the gratings are in different locations. The quarterdeck/poop (whatever you call those on a older vessel like this) is in a bit of a different location. The balcony on the stern is different, as well. It seems to me that all of this (except the draught, might have to live with that, I don't know) could be overcome with some sanding, cutting, and kitbashing. TL;DR: Can I use kitbashing, sanding, and cutting to make the Golden Hind into a presentable (though certainly not perfect) approximation of the Kalmar Nyckel? What do you folks think? Is this feasible? Do you all know of another kit that would work better? Edited March 6, 2015 by Brenticus flying_dutchman2, NAZGÛL and Archi 3 Quote Cheers, Brenticus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jack, you have debauched my sloth!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Completed Logs: HMS Patrician, frigate, 32 guns (converted Lindberg Jolly Roger 1:150) Completed Build Gallery: HMS Patrician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted March 6, 2015 Share #2 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) You're welcome Brenticus. As for the feasibility ...it's wood. Anything is feasible. Bear in mind that the Golden Hind has a much higher forecastle, quarterdeck, and poop. The angle of the transom is much steeper in the Hind. All this will be laser cut into the bulkheads if you buy a kit. You can, of course, modify the bulkheads or cut your own, but then you are venturing into scratch territory. And don't forget that you have to come up with the carvings yourself, because (probably) no kit in existence will have carvings that will match the Kalmar Nyckel. This is what I suggest: - send a PM to member rshousha. He is an MSW sponsor, and he is able to render drawings in CAD and laser cut the bulkheads for you. - buy the planks from Crown Timberyard, and the fittings from Amati, RB Model, Artesania (etc) - take your pick. To be honest I don't think there is enough information in those plans to make a model. It might pay to write to the owners of Kalmar Nyckel, explain your situation, and ask for better plans. Edited March 6, 2015 by KeithW flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matle Posted March 6, 2015 Share #3 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Also bear in mind that there are no plans of the actual Kalmar Nyckel, however well-researched the replica was. In other words, you might as well use plans/kits for any other Dutch pinnace and bash it. There's a thread about Papegojan, another Dutch-built pinnace from the very same period that also was acquired by the Swedes at the same time as Kalmar Nyckel. There are plans (and even a cardboard kit) available for that one. Haven't seen any wooden kits, but it might be possible to find. Edited March 6, 2015 by Matle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenticus Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted March 6, 2015 Thanks for the replies, but I actually meant kitbashing a plastic kit into the Kalmar Nyckel (that's why I posted it in the plastic area, unless I did something wrong). I can see how doing a wooden one would be much more feasible, but I've never built a wooden kit yet, so I really don't have the skills to do something like that. What I am thinking about would involve sanding down some of the wales, adding custom gratings, and kit-bashing the balcony and beakhead, as well as gluing the decks in different positions (which I'm sure would require sanding them down). And other kitbashing parts of course. I don't know how feasible it is in plastic, though. Quote Cheers, Brenticus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jack, you have debauched my sloth!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Completed Logs: HMS Patrician, frigate, 32 guns (converted Lindberg Jolly Roger 1:150) Completed Build Gallery: HMS Patrician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 22, 2015 Share #5 Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Hi! If you decide to go for a wooden kit you could perhaps use the Berlin kit as I think it's fairly close to the Kalmar Nyckel in shape, at least with some reworking. Don't fear the wood kits. I don't think it's harder, just different and with more stages. On the other hand it leaves lots of room for tweaking and making the model the way you want. A big plus for an idea like yours The carving would be some work, but if I did this, I wouldn't make as many sculptures like the Kalmar Nyckel replica has. My guess is that thee are far to many for a basic ship like Kalmar Nyckel. The odds of her being blue is probably slim also as it was expencive to make blue paint. Just my opinion though. /Matti Edited March 22, 2015 by NAZGÛL Brenticus and tarbrush 2 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted March 23, 2015 Share #6 Posted March 23, 2015 Take a look at this thread http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9996-ships-of-the-late-16th-century/ I have many similar plans of that era. Abel Tasman's ships. Dutch 17th century merchant ships. Marc Brenticus and Archi 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenticus Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted March 23, 2015 @ Nazgul: Thanks for the recommendation! The Berlin does seem strikingly similar to my (less discerning) eye- especially below the waterline (which seems to be the difficult part to find). I'm not so much afraid of wooden kits in general (in fact, I am dying to do one), so much as I don't think my skills are at a place where I could pull off such a complicated build before getting more experience. I'll probably do a nice Rattlesnake or maybe a simple brig first, and then move onto the Berlin, as it really does seem very similar (aside from the stern, but that's just aesthetic). I'm very sure indeed that you are right about it being easier to modify. You make a good point about the carvings and the paint...the amount of carvings makes more sense on something lie the Vasa or the Wappen Von Hamburg (not Dutch, but a pretty prestigious warship, from what I gather). @ Marcus: Thanks for the link! There was some really interesting info in that thread, and I am looking forward to reading the thread on the Vasa forum that was linked within there. One of the guys said his dissertation was on Dutch ships, I believe (just skimmed it). That should be an interesting read! flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Cheers, Brenticus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jack, you have debauched my sloth!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Completed Logs: HMS Patrician, frigate, 32 guns (converted Lindberg Jolly Roger 1:150) Completed Build Gallery: HMS Patrician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted March 24, 2015 Share #8 Posted March 24, 2015 Brenticus; If you need help with the translation of Dutch to English, let me know, I can help with that. I am a Dutchman living in the US. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdb Posted September 29, 2018 Share #9 Posted September 29, 2018 How was your crew experience? Did you ever get started on a model of Kalmar Nyckel? Bdb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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