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    18th century history and reenactment, collecting items from this period.

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  1. Good morning Mark, my reply goes more in the direction that you feared that there is no way in, because the dog leg frame is there in the way. So that would be eliminated when you build the roundhouses directly at the platform and not so far outside as you showed us with your paper platform in post #1357/8 The outside planking goes there also in a curve down, so you could only build the roundhouse at the platform. The problem with the high, it's only 5ft and some inches under the cattail beam, is an other. There I could only speculate. May be the stool is lower to the floor and the person who would use it had to stay outside at a step and sit down? Shame in these things was in the 18th century not already invented. I saw uni sex toilets behind the kitchen tract of a mansion for the servants. There was a long bench with 6 or 8 holes in a row without any screen between them and no wall in front. So they had always a good sight in the woods and fresh air. That is luxury!
  2. Hello Mark, the floor plan of the gun deck is lower than the platform with the roundhouse. I tried to make a sketch. The sheer plan and body plan here I laid both plans together at the Y- frame At least should the roundhouses be at this platform, as the picture of the Superb (sister ship of the Bellona) clearly shows. At the picture, where you made this paper platform, the front part of it is the gun deck, a little lower and smaler. So I think you have there a problem with the scale. The beak-head bulkhead should be narrower there.
  3. Good morning Mark, may be these pictures will help you. It's the Centurion 1732, 60 guns The same picture as above, but here I marked where the outer planking meet the bulkhead. Also seen at the picture below. The other Bellona and the Superb. I hope that these pictures will help you.
  4. Hello Mark, these knees at the gun deck where the worst knees ever! Because they are so deep down in the hull. I'm still not sure, if I build them in the Tiger. If you wont to see the plan of the Berwick as a whole: https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/370801.html That plan helped me a lot. And here some impressions when they are ready installed.
  5. Hello HJX, I would prefer your last sketches, but without the step. The stools are deeper than the decks and then you have also more freedom for your head. As in your plan of the Warrior then 7 ft if you measure from rail to rail. In Gaetan's post #455 are two steps down to the stool. Here are an other picture of the Egmond
  6. Hello Gary, I think you build your Alfred as shown in the plan. With no extra floors ect. Than you are at least right. All other things are speculation. And so step are the stools not, that a seamen would get seasick when entering the gallery. @ hjx, from wich sources did you get your information of the raised stools ore floors? I think that you mixed up there some things. At that picture is the lower stool not build. And when you raise the middle stool, than the captain should not be larger than 4,5 ft, ore you have to build the upper stool above deck level 😉 All the stools are build at the inside of the rails and on top of it is a massiv block of oak, the upper stool. Have a look at Goodwins man of war... page 199.
  7. Good morning Gary, it would be interesting if Druxey has any historical information for his proposition. Fact is, that they build more for beauty then for comfort. Otherwise they would have build the stool directly after the sheer of the deck. In the plan Gaetan posted, there are also two steps down drawn in! At the other hand, you would get problems with your head if you build in there an other floor. That is the plan for the Dragon and also the Superb. The green lines are the stools and the violet ones the extra floors Druxey prefers. With the stools only, you have there a high of ≈6 ft, ore 1,83 m. So for me, and most people of the 18th century, just enough. With your extra floor in front of the gallery only ≈5.5 ft, ore 1,67 m!
  8. Hello Gary, I do not really understand what Druxey means, but there is no extra floor as hjx means. The stools going also with the sheer and not with the deck. Here some pictures I made from the Superb (1760), sister-ship of the Bellona. The modellers did't work like we do, and build every beam as they are in reality, but you could see the middle stool is build in the direction of the rail and the sheer. (sorry my english!) Here you could see the outside of the ship and where the stools should be. And so it looks complete. Opposite you see the entrances to the side galleries and the direction of the decks.
  9. Hello Mark, did you see the pictures of the cutter Cheerful from the Rogers Collection? Even at this cutter from 1805 the breech ropes where laid only above the cascable and not turned around it. It seems that the gunners at that time did't fear that it would slip down. At least it looked like on a bazaar, everyone who had a picture with a cannon on it, posted it. But none has any historical sources for that! So I think we are right to do it like the historical sources, Falconer, the Royal George and also the Cheerful model show it. Your cannons looking pretty good. Greater pictures would show that much better 😉
  10. Hello Jan, I think you mean how I managed it? The short version is, with much patience and and strong glasses. The long version is trying and trying. I think it's the 4. generation you see there. Here some pictures who may explain more then words. And that are the guys who did't make it and now had to suffer for some experiments
  11. Hello, today we had an inspection from the admiralty. That is the guy with the red coat. The shipwright try to explain, why the shipyard is't working at all: because the main worker did't feel very good. But he should soon start working again. In the background his assistant controlled the high of the deck clamp. It's pretty low. Here you could stay only between the beams! And here is the new crew. I build them from sheets of brass, wire, plaster , paper and cotton for hair. And of coarse a lot of paint. And yes, these clumsy hands could build such small and delicate things. 😉 But it was't easy. I feel a little better now and hope that I could start working again soon. My main problem is that I'm so spiritless, and the next time I have to build the gun ports for the upper decks. That is nothing that really encourage you.
  12. Hello Mark, I think, you think all too complicated. There is a gun crew, and I think that there are one or two members who have the duty to look after the breech rope. And if there would be any problems, they would have changed that system. Then the breech rope is quite heavy, so I think that they will not move so easily then the ropes we use in our models. 😕 An last, as I wrote before above, that there may be a small rope (or something smaller than that, I have at the moment no name for it) to size the breech rope at the cascable. For a better understanding I made a picture.
  13. Dear Druxey, starts now the same procedure as with the paneling of the outer walls? There also all pictures, paintings and sketches I posted where in your eyes fantasy, artistic freedom or you could’t see anything. But at least it turned out, that I was right. So why are the outer circumstances, the color, the wheels and the cannons now are an argument that all the rest is not true? That model is from 1756, may be a little fancier then an original ship. We don’t know what the artist would show us with this model. The white wash came later and also red wheels on cannons made the floor colourful, not only black one. But they are ok. I never heard something against that. At the Victory these wheels where not painted. We agree with the fastening of the breech rope to the rings bolds at the walls. So it’s also at the Victory. I think Falconer did’t show that knot, because it did’t matter. Every man knows, that there has to be a knot. And he shows clearly, that the rope is only laid over the cascable. And that you could all see at that model, so why it’s not useful? I thought that we are here in this forum to share wisdom to build better models. But if it’s not liked to have an other view, or find something out, I let it. I have nobody to ask how I build my ship, and at least it’s not important for me, how other build theirs. So many build there ships in Hahn style and others in druxey style. I was really shocked to see the double curve you build in your wales. Did you never noticed that you are the only one who build it so? And the port lids, only two models I found have that step around the lid! But nobody noticed that before! And nobody, except mtaylor, liked it. Thank you for that Mark. Druxey, I liked the support I got from you over the time. But you should also be more open for others, who found out something different, or noticed something you have overseen.
  14. Hello Druxey, may be the black rim at the wheels are only black paint. The guns at the GD where 42 pdrs and at the MD where 24 pdrs according to R. Winfield's British Warships in the Age of Sail 1714-1792. They have at the breech nearly the same size. The NMM write, that the model was made 1756 and ok, the color. You like more white ships, without much color. But the ships in those days where colourful. And this was a 1. rate! Please have also a look at Falconer's cross section of a 74 gunner, there you see the same thing.
  15. Hello Mark, with that what I know is Druxey right. Then you could shorten the ropes easily to store the guns during voyages, or move the guns. A good example is the model of the Royal George (1756) https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66456.html at the NMM. Here a screen shot And there is no turn of the rope around the cascable. I don't know where, but I remember a picture where the breach rope was sized there with a small rope around the cascable. I hope I could help.

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