ToddM
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Greg, when you say 1:7 ration is this hot water to Jax or vice versa? Thanks for this tutorial. I was having difficulty getting results. I will try this method. Todd
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ToddM replied to ToddM's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks Wayne. There seem to be many instances where lines projected between different views do not land where they should. port and starboard lines do not even match when mirrored. The reason for my question was because the mirrored dimensions are so different. Colin Mudie (from what I have read) was a respected designer, although I am not sure if he actually drafted these plans. The copies I received from seaways do not seem to come from an original as there are many misalignments and have shrink about 10% from the 1:48 stated scale. I have fixed the scale as this was easy, but now I basically will have to redraw to correct the projections between the different views. -
I am looking at lines on a half-breadth plan (dunbrody) and am trying to figure out the line diagrams. On the half breath plan the outer lines on the two halves seem to be different. I know one side shows the curvature of the water lines and the other are the diagonals but I am wondering what the outermost curves on each side represent. I am guessing the waterlines side outer curve represents bottom of top rail (or topgallant rail? This ship has one). Any help would be appreciated.
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ToddM replied to ToddM's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks Mark. After looking and some of my older ship construction books I see that the futtocks were tapered leading upwards. It is usually shown as a taper versus stepped like in the Dunbrody construction details. Is this done by model builders as well? Seems like a lot of tedious work. ToddM -
I am looking at some plans of the replica ship "Dunbrody" and the assembly plans of the frames show the siding dimension of the futtocks decreases along the frames length (sketch below showing side and front view of frames). Is this typical of ships built in that era? I have never seen this before, but I have very limited knowledge and I have only ever really looked at model plans and these plans are supposed to represent a ship built during this time. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Thanks Dave, Don, Brian. this is just the info I was hoping to get. Glad I joined up today. I just pulled out a book I have had for some time, "Ship Modeling from Scratch" by Edwin Leaf to get me thinking about trying from scratch. ToddM
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Chris, thanks to you too. From my reading on this forum it seems like Model Shipyard, Blue Jacket and the Lumberyard are my best bets. ToddM
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Thanks Russ. I appreciate the information and I realize now that I am spinning my wheels, but in researching I am also learning. I really want to do a POF, but to be able to build the type of vessel at the size I want to have on display means scratch built from plans only and I think I may be asking for trouble with my limited experience. I think I will still do a POF but from a kit that provides everything and I will then gain the experience to do a scratch build from plans (I hope). Thanks again ToddM
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Thanks Chris. I do know the difference between POB and POF I just referred to the ribs of the frame as "frames" which definitely is a correct term. I just never heard of the term "formers" before. I am looking for a POF kit and the Mantua Model UK gives this description; "Astrolabe 733 Scale 1:50 Length 1100mm. This is a fine reproduction of a typical French sloop. A plank on frame construction the kit contains: Building plans with general details, English instructions, lost wax brass castings walnut or lime wood planking, wooden masts and spars, brass and walnut fittings, laser etched details,rigging cord, sail canvas and silk flag. All sheet plywood sections are laser cut for accuracy." Probably not going to go with this kit but this raises a question in my mind. If POB kits have the bulkheads laser cut from plywood does POF kits that supply precut frames or ribs also cut them out of plywood or out of solid wood or can it be either and something I have to look for before buying?
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I came across the Astrolabe model kit on the Mantua Model UK Ltd site that seemed to fit a few of my needs (length, POF, era, etc.) and the price was good at about $350USD. However the description was not clear if the frames came precut. If they didn't then the price was not so great. I sent them an email and the following was the exchange; Me: "Just to confirm, is this a plank on frame kit and if so are the frames included and precut?" Mantua Model UK: "This kit is single planked and you have to cut them to length while fitting them." Me:"Yes, I understand that I need to cut and fit the planks onto the frame. I am asking if the frames that the planks are attached to are precut or would I have to build them. Thank-you for your help." Mantua Model UK:"All mantua kits are laser-cut so all formers are cut." "formers" is that a proper term? Am I using the wrong term? After their response stating I have to cut the planks, I think either I am using the wrong term or the person responding does not know what they are talking about. I admit I have only built 2 models but I never came across the term formers. ToddM
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Thanks. I am looking for a larger vessel. Ship or Barque. Maybe I am being too specific. maybe I could use a gun boat but omit the cannons.
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I am looking for POF kits of merchant vessels built in the 1800's. I would like the finished model to be 40 to 70 inches long. I have looked at many sites but am having difficulty finding any. Is there such a thing? Todd
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