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  1. @abelson, for the prototype cannon I used some thin brass strip for the straps. I'm not super happy with how they turned out...it was difficult to shape them well when they're that small. I'm not sure if I'll still use brass strips when I actually build out all the cannons. @Sea Hoss, thanks! I've actually redesigned the cannons since that post. After showing them to my local modeling group, the consensus was that they were missing a step on the sides. After some work, I ended up making them about 0.5mm taller and adding an additional step on the sides. Work over the last 5-6 months has been slow, but there has been some progress. After reworking the cannons, I got the gun ports framed. I've also ripped apart the stern, and I'm rebuilding the transom from scratch off the model similar to what others have done. This is partly because I've snapped the kit's laser cut transom parts a few times will working on the hull, and partly because the metal castings for the window frames were pretty poor in my kit, so I want to just toss the whole assembly and build it from scratch. The other next big step is to plank the bulwarks. I'm cutting my own strips to replace the kit's material, and I'm hoping to get all the strips cut in the next week before our baby is born. My wife is fine with me working on the build while we've got a sleeping baby, but would prefer I not run the Byrnes saw with a sleeping newborn down the hall
  2. Thanks Jim and Jim! After planking the deck pad along the center of the main deck, I woke up today and decided I wasn’t happy with it. A few planks were uneven, and I realized the hatch coamings weren’t straight. So, I’ve ripped off the deck planking and coamings and I’m starting over on the deck. Better to fix it now than decide after finishing the deck planking!
  3. While there's been little time to really dive in and work on the ship over the last couple of months, I was able to get some work done. After several passes of sanding, filling, and repeating, I finally got the hull painted. I decided to go with just white below the wales as this seems to match what was done on the Rogers model. (As opposed to using a different shade below the waterline.). I would have liked to use a slightly antiqued white, but wasn't able to find paint I liked, so I went with a basic flat white. My paint mixing skills are non-existent. After I get the rest of the planking done (the decks, stern, and bulwarks), I'll do another coat or two of paint followed by a clear coat. With the hull painted, I shifted my attention to the deck. Given the various issues with gun port sizing that other modelers have run into, I'm planning to plank the main deck before framing the gun ports. This will allow me to place a gun on the deck to better size/position the ports. I started by installing the covering board, which went pretty quickly. The hatch coamings were next. For these, I milled the pieces to create the 'lip', then cut them to size. Also, over the last 3 months, I've been periodically playing around with building a gun carriage. I wanted to have one assembled to help with framing the gun ports, and working on that was a nice side project when I didn't feel like sanding or painting the hull. I discovered right away that the laser cut carriages provided with the kit are pretty bad. They are the wrong size (they don't match the plans), and would turn out too big. Being laser cut, they would need a good deal of sanding to remove the laser char, and I have zero faith that I can sand such small pieces accurately. Finally, the 'trucks' formed by the laser cut base are incredibly fragile (I broke 2 just removing the piece from the laser cut board) and they don't seem well suited to being rounded off to form axels. So, I decided to make my own carriages from scratch. I did a bunch of reading, looked at a lot of other carriages, and came up with a simplified design. It isn't perfectly historically accurate, but I think it comes close enough to look more-or-less correct on the model. I followed the process shown here: The pieces were milled from Swiss pear. All told, I went through about 8-10 variations of size and shape until I finally ended up with pieces that were the right size. This was the most precise/complicated thing I've done on my mill to date, and it was actually a lot of fun. I milled the sides, the front trucks, and the rear trucks separately. For each one, I made them using 4" wide pieces of wood, then 'sliced' them to the right thickness. This let me create a lot of identical pieces at once. The front truck was given a curve to allow the cannon barrel to move, and the rear truck was given a small notch to aid in placing the quoin. The width of the trucks was precisely matched to the slots in the bottom of the sides. After the pieces were glued together, the 'axels' were filed to make them round. I'm using the wheels from the kit since I couldn't find any better, so I matched the diameter of the axels to those wheels. The entire thing was painted, and the various eyebolts were installed. My prototype isn't pretty, but this one is just for gun port placement. The actual carriages I'll use on the model have all their pieces cut, but won't be assembled until I'm ready to install them. At that point I'll spend more time with getting the finish just right. I dropped a barrel in my test carriage and set it on some fake decking. Compared to the plans, this one is much more accurately sized. Now that I've got the cannons figured out and set aside, I'm going to start planning out how to plank the deck. I had wanted to plank the deck after doing the bulwarks, but I'm not confident I can correctly position the gun ports unless I can set my test cannon at each position. This means that I'll have to carefully mask off the deck when I'm working on the bulwarks to avoid marking it up or getting paint on it.
  4. I procrastinated on planking for several months. When I was initially looking at other Fair American builds, I really liked how the planking turned out on @KenW's build and thought his model looked great with the planking left natural. I know that my planking skills won't allow me to leave the hull unpainted, but I wanted to get as close as possible. So, I found myself fearful to start planking. My previous build, the Bluenose, had very simple lines and didn't require any sharp bends, tapering of planks, drop planks or stealers. I knew I'd encounter all that here, and just couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger and start the planking. While attending the NRG conference in October, I got a lot of encouragement and advice. I returned from that trip highly motivated, and jumped right into planking. I realized that the worst case was that I ended up needing to use wood filler and paint the hull, which is actually correct for this model anyway. I started by dividing the lower hull into 4 bands. I did this by laying tape onto the edge of ever bulkhead and trimming it to fit the keel and wales. After the tape was removed, I used proportional dividers to divide it into fourths, then put the tape back on the bulkheads and transferred the markings to the bulkheads. I used some thin wood strips pinned into the bulkheads to create the bands. (At least until those strips got in the way and I removed them and relied on markings on the bulkheads.) I started with the garboard strake, which I mistakenly didn't make wide enough. Oh well...a small detail that a casual observer won't notice. I planked that band, then moved to the band next to wales, then worked my way towards the center. The planks were cut from 3/16" boxwood sheets, so each plank was 3/16" wide. Several months ago my puppy ate the planking material supplied with the kit, so when I replaced it I went with boxwood. It is overkill if I paint the hull, but I felt that boxwood would hold the edge better than basswood when I needed to taper or bevel planks. I'm not a skill level yet where I worry too much about being perfectly historically accurate, so I kind of faked the length of individual planks. I find working with shorter planks easier than trying to fit one long plank, but I didn't want to mess with trying to add blocks to support plank joints that didn't land on a bulkhead. So I went with planks of varying lengths that were close to scale length, but adjusted to the nearest bulkhead. I did *try* to follow the rules for where planks should end so I didn't end up with joints too close to each other. I found that dealing the sharp curve at the stern was difficult. My planking there ended up being a mess. At that point, I realized I would have to paint the hull since I'd need to use some filler, which removed some of the pressure to get everything perfect Almost all the planks were tapered. I didn't end up using any steelers, but I probably should have used one on each side. I did use a couple drop planks at the bow on each side. That was probably because of errors determining the plank widths for each band. Once I started on the final band, I realized the planks at the bow would be way too thin. Once planking was finished, it was very rough. Fortunately since I had cut my own planks, I made them a little thicker than necessary to give me some extra material for sanding everything down. Like I did with my Bluenose, I started the 'cleanup' by applying VERY generous amount of wood filler...basically covering the entire hull. After that cured, I spent several days sanding it all back off so that the only filler left was between planks or on things that were very uneven. I spent the next week slowly sanding those problem spots until most of the remaining filler was gone. In the end, the hull is pretty even. A non-modeler (like my wife), might say even say it looks good. There are still a few spots where the filler is visible, but those spots are smooth to the touch so I don't want to sand much further. I still need to sand a little more around the rabbet, but I'm holding off on that until I'm almost done filling/sanding/etc. I don't want to risk over-sanding that and damaging the keel. At this point, the process for the lower hull should be similar to my Bluenose. Since I'm going to paint, the goal is to get the hull smooth. I'll do another pass with wood filler to get any remaining gaps between planks (MUCH less than the first round...just hitting the problem spots), then I'll sand that down, followed by a series of sanding passes with 200 and 400 grit paper. After that, I'll primer the hull and sand again. At that point, there will likely be a few flaws that are visible and I'll tackle each of those individually. Hopefully after that I can do a light first coat of paint on the hull. I'm going to hold off on the final coat until I get further along in the build.
  5. Just booked my trip for the conference! Excited about the line up and the chance to meet everyone in person!
  6. It has been a while, and I've only had a chance to tackle a few things. None of it took very long, but my schedule has had me going a few weeks at a time without touching the ship. The waterway was installed. This was the first piece that I made from boxwood instead of the kit's basswood. I cut the strips from some boards and sanded them to create the angle shown in the plans. I didn't bother running them all way to the last bulkhead since that area will be covered with the cabin. I also tackled the black strake and the wales. These were also cut from boards instead of using the kit's basswood. For these, I went with Swiss pear, because I had seen a mention in a thread somewhere that Swiss pear looks really good when you use black leather dye on it instead of paint. My tests looked great, so I decided to proceed with pear for the strake and wales. I found the Swiss pear difficult to bend, even with water and heat. The bow requires a very tight curve and it took several tries to get the pear to bend that way. Since these are black, I probably should have used boxwood instead. Oh well. It worked out, just took more work than it should have. I plan to tackle the lower hull planking next. It will likely be a long process since I'll be cutting the planks from boxwood myself. I'm going to try to do a 'correct' job with the planking, so I'm planning to do a bunch of reading before I start.
  7. After spending a couple weeks figuring out what to do with wood and getting the materials ordered, I finally got a chance to dive back into the actual build. The kit's instructions and plans suggest fairing the hull by beveling the bulkheads before installing them, rather than sanding the edges after they are glued in. I considered trying this, but ultimately went with the traditional method of gluing in all the bulkheads and sanding the edges down afterwards. I was worried that beveling in advance might result in some bad angles. The bulkheads were glued in, working from the center out. Next I did a round of fairing the hull. I plan to do a final hull fairing round right before planking (after I get all the filler blocks and framing installed), so this first pass was just to rough in the general shape. I did a horrible job at fairing the hull on my Bluenose, so I spent a lot more time on it for this build. I built out the mast slots and moved on to the bow filler blocks. These were roughly cut using a hand saw and Dremel, then glued in and shaped by hand with a sanding block. I approximated the timber heads and knight heads and got those installed. I'll clean up the shape of those during my next round of hull fairing. At the stern, I got the wing transom installed and made the stern filler blocks using a similar method to what I did for the bow. Then the stern frames were added along with all the various plank supports. I'm not sure yet how I'm going to handle the window frames. I might use the kit's cast metal pieces, or I might try to make the frames myself...I'll figure that out later. For now, I added some framing around where the windows will go so I can keep my options open. Around this time I noticed that my stern wasn't straight. The last bulkhead (and the wing transom, filler blocks, and all the framing), was tilted a little bit. I'm not sure if this was caused by a bad job of installing the last bulkhead, or if it was a result of all the other work on the stern. Regardless of the cause, it was off by enough that it was going to be a problem. So, I cut the stern assembly off the ship. I removed the sternpost, then used a thin saw blade to cut through the keel, following the shape of the filler blocks and the last bulkhead, taking the entire stern assembly off as one piece. I did some cleanup on the cut edges, then glued the assembly back on with the correct alignment. A couple years ago this kind of mistake would have caused me to abort the build, but now I realize it's all just wood, and it can easily be cut/glued/remade. After a couple hours of work, I had everything reinstalled and the problem was fixed. I'm a little concerned about the strength of the joints, but once the planking is on I think everything will be firmly held in place. Next I added a beam just before bulkhead #12 to support the deck planking where it will run up to the front of the house. I also decided to go ahead and build out some fake interiors for the hatches. The plans indicate that the hatches are kind of see-through, so the center keel and bulkheads have some open space below each of the two hatches, and the kit recommends painting these space black so it looks good through the hatch grating. I decided to use some thin sheet material and build some boxes to enclose those spaces. Rather than painting them, I actually dyed them black before installing them using some leather dye. While researching what woods to use, I ran across some posts here that mentioned that black leather dye on swiss pear looks great for anything that needs to be black. I tried it out on some scrap pear and was really impressed. Since I still had the dye out on the workbench, I decided to use that for the hatch interiors rather than black paint. These probably won't be noticeable once the deck and hatches are in place, but I had a little extra time and wasn't ready to move on to bigger things I think my next step will be to install the waterway. I'm going to run the waterway the entire length of the ship, even though it will be hidden by the quarter deck after bulkhead 12. That seems to be the recommended approach since it will strengthen the hull a bit. Before I glue it in, I'll do a final fairing of the inboard edges. The waterway is going to be the first piece that I'm making from boxwood (from some tests, I think I can more accurately reproduce the taper on the waterway using boxwood). I received my shipment of boxwood from Syren last week, and I've got my new slitting blade from Byrnes, so I just need to stop procrastinating and cut some strips!
  8. I decided to try gilting some wood as a way to procrastinate on fairing the bulkheads. The Fair American plans indicate that several parts should be finished in 'gilt'. I've seen some models where these parts were just painted with a golden color. I've had mixed success with metallic paint in the past, so I decided to try some actual gilting. I thought I'd test this out now while I'm waiting on wood to come in. I picked up some sheets of gold colored leaf and some 'size' adhesive and sealer (about $20 total). The gold leaf sheets I'm using aren't actually gold - just gold colored. You can get actual gold leaf for a little more $$, but I don't think it really matters for a model ship. The process is pretty simple. Seal your wood (the size needs a non-porous surface). Brush on the 'size' (adhesive), and let it sit for 15-30 minutes. Lay a sheet of gold leaf over the piece, and press it on. Let it sit for a bit. Brush off any loose gold leaf and cover everything with the sealer. The results were pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good. Definitely better than I think I could do with gold paint. The test piece was just some scrap boxwood that I milled to have a little relief. The test piece was about 5/32" wide. I can probably get better results after a little practice. For now, I think my plan is to use this technique for all the parts that call for gold. Some macro shots of the results:
  9. Thanks @Jim Rogers! They looked they were back up, but I wanted to make sure before I placed an order. Just ordered the Swiss pear from them and the boxwood from Chuck. i also ordered a slitting blade from Byrnes to get a little better quality once I start cutting planks. Now I just need to get those bulkheads faired before the wood comes in!
  10. @Tigersteve, @Jim Rogers, thanks! I'm pretty happy with how it turned out! @petervisser, thanks! The wood I'm working with now was bought from Wood Project Source back in January. I ordered one each of several types so I'd have some samples to work with. They don't appear to be taking orders right now, so I'll have to get the wood for the build from somewhere else. Right now I'm planning on ordering the boxwood from Syren. For the swiss pear, Crown lists is on their site, but I'm not sure if they are back up and running yet. I also know of a couple fine wood dealers here in town, so I might check there for the pear as well.
  11. So, since my puppy ate my planking, I thought I'd look into replacing some of the kit wood with better materials. Since it can take a month or two to get a wood order delivered, I thought I better figure this out before moving on. I read through a bunch of threads and articles in the database, and chose a few woods to start with. Earlier this year I ordered some samples of several woods, so I used those and built up a little test model. My focus here was on a couple things: Can I actually cut usable planks from boards with my table saw? Will the higher quality woods produce better results? Can I create a color scheme that I'm happy with? My test build was done in about 4 hours (including cutting all the planks), so it isn't necessarily the best planking job I started by taking scans of the plans and making some templates of bulkheads 7-9 (which are fairly straight and don't require bending planks). I cut those out on my scroll saw. I made all the planks and assembled and painted everything. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, and I think this is what I'm going to with. The lower hull planking is boxwood, to give the lower hull a lighter look that's seen on most Fair American builds. The wood was left natural aside from some wipe-on poly. My hope is to leave the lower hull unpainted on the actual build. The wales and 'black strake' are swiss pear. Even though I painted it here, I've read that many people have had great results replicating an ebony look by dying swiss pear with leather dye, which is why I'm working with swiss pear for these. My order of leather dye won't be here for a week, so just painted these parts for the test. For the test, I primed them with a lacquer based primer and airbrushed them black. The outboard bulwarks are swiss pear. I don't really care for the yellow painted look the plans call for, and I've seen a few builds that used a different shade of wood for the bulwarks to give them some distinction from the rest of the hull. I left it natural, with a final coat of poly. The cap rail was made from boxwood, primered and airbrushed. The inboard bulwarks, cover board, and waterway are boxwood. Since these are going to be painted red, the actual material doesn't matter that much as long as it has good sanding/finishing quality. I just used some 'Insignia Red' paint left over from my Bluenose build for the test. I'm planning to find a red that is a little more muted for the actual build. The deck is also made from swiss pear. I like that the shade of the wood here matches the outboard bulwarks...I don't want too many different colors/textures. This was my first experience actually working with anything other than basswood. I'm really shocked at how much of a difference the wood makes. I told my wife that all my ship builds just got a lot more expensive The boxwood and swiss pear feel more solid. They cut easily, but have crisper lines. I find it way easier to sand and finish the wood while keeping straight clean lines. I'm going to stare at this over the weekend, and if I still like it on Monday, I'm ordering a bunch of wood!
  12. Thanks for all the quick responses! @jimbyr, I was seriously just going to email you and ask what to order, but I rarely post outside of my build logs so I was trying to get my post count up That was one of the blades I was focusing on, so it sounds like one I definitely need. @Jaager, I am considering just getting a small selection of blades while I'm at it, and doing some trial-and-error to learn the differences. I'm still working on sourcing the wood (thinking I'll get the boxwood from Chuck, because I want to support when I can, but if I want other woods like some Swiss pear, I need to find a source), and I might end up with some varying thicknesses if I go with a local source (turns out we have 2-3 specialty wood dealers in Austin, Texas...who knew). I've also got a bunch of samples of different woods that I ordered earlier this year (in anticipation of starting to work with higher quality materials), so I'll be well equipped to do some trial runs. @Moab, I keep hearing/seeing recommendations for the slitter blades, so I think I definitely need to add at least one to my little workshop-in-a-closet. I think Jim's helpfulness is obvious given that he was the first reply in this thread I can't imagine better customer service than I've seen from Byrnes. @mtaylor, That is an excellent pdf. It has a lot of the advice I've seen around the forums in one convenient place. Already added it to my library of saved docs I also got a copy pm'd to me from another member. I think I've read it 3-4 times now, and I learn something new every time. So, assuming I grab the 3" 90 tooth .03 kerf blade Jim recommends, are there a couple other blades I should grab at the same time to get me 'covered' with a good set of blades?
  13. I'm going to attempt to cut my own planks for my current build since my puppy ate the material that came with my kit. I've found a lot of great info by going through all the threads here and in the wood forum. I found this thread particularly helpful: byrnes table saw questions. I feel like the resources on this site (including the PDFs in the Articles Database) have given me a great start on all the various tips and tricks. Aside from finalizing my wood selection, I only have one thing left to figure out... I'm considering buying a new table saw blade, and wanted to ask for suggestions on which one to get. I have a Byrnes table saw with the stock 4in carbide blade. I've successfully made test planks using this down to 1/32" thick from boxwood and swiss pear, and the results are certainly good enough to use. But I've read that a slitting blade will improve the finish, and that a blade with less kerf will waste less wood. Since wood isn't cheap (and is getting harder to source with various vendors shutting down temporarily or permanently), making the most from each board is very appealing. However, I saw that if you go too thin on the blade, it might bend or warp when it heats up. But when I go look at the blades available on the Byrnes site, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. I see blades with a .04 kerf, .03 kerf, and .02 kerf. I'm also seeing all kinds of different teeth numbers. I'm also not sure if using a 3" or 4" blade will matter with what I'm cutting. So my question is: If I'm going to be cutting planks from wood up to about 3/16" thick (probably things like boxwood or swiss pear, with maybe a little cherry or such), which blades from Byrnes would you suggest? (List of what they offer is here.) I know I can get blades from a variety of places, but I'd prefer to stick with ordering from Byrnes because I need to order a draw plate anyway, and I've been really happy with their product and want to continue to support them whenever I can. Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
  14. @NWSailor welcome aboard! I make no promises that my build is accurate, historically correct, or even remotely close to what a modeler "should do"! @Fright I've been lucky that our two cats (ages 18 and 11 years) have never taken an interest in my workbench. I think I got a little lazy after they were so well behaved, and forgot that puppies have very little self control! @Jim Rogers, I'm pretty happy with how the new pieces turned out. Since this is my third ship build, I'm finding that I'm a little more "brave" when it comes to just going off-book and making things from scratch. That will probably come back to bite me later. We've gotten lucky with our little sheltie puppy. Even while he was teething, the only real damage was $150 worth of window blinds. I don't blame him for eating the planks...I shouldn't have left them within reach. Lesson learned! I'm not too worked up about the wood 'helped with' by the puppy, since I probably wasn't going to use the walnut planking anyway. But it has forced me to start thinking about how I want to plank the hull, and with what wood. I'm hoping to keep most of the hull unpainted, so I want to get the planking right. Earlier this year I ordered a bunch of wood of various types to help me get familiar with the different shades and properties of each. Tonight I cut some strips of boxwood and pear, and I've started building a sample of the hull/wales/bulwark planking. If I like the results, I can hopefully get an order in that will arrive before I'm ready to start planking. If all else fails, I can always plank with the basswood from the kit. So far, even with just cutting some planks from boxwood, I'm seeing how much difference the wood makes. I've always just used the kit's basswood, but now I'm wondering if I should take out a second mortgage to buy better wood
  15. The keel assembly is pretty straightforward. The instructions show the center keel coming in two parts, but the plans and the laser cut parts have just a single piece. After removing the pieces and dealing with laser char, I cut the rabbet. The bottom keel, stem, and sternpost need to be glued on, which is where I hit my first problem. Like others have encountered with this kit, the pieces don't quite fit together. The bottom keel isn't long enough, and the sternpost is a little too short. I have plenty of basswood laying around, so I decided to just remake the sternpost and bottom keel. I first glued the stem in place so I had a good starting point for measurements, then cut a new sternpost on my scroll saw, followed by a new bottom keel. Everything was then glued in place. I moved on to the bulkheads next. The bulkheads in my kit are plywood, which I'm not a fan of. I find that it tends to ship and flake off and is harder to sand than basswood. And, even though I know the bulkheads won't be visible in the finished model, I hate the look of plywood. To make it worse, two different looking plywoods were used, so the bulkheads don't even match. Oh well. All the bulkheads were cut free and lightly sanded so I didn't get laser char all over my fingers as I worked. I didn't get all the char off...I'll get the rest as I start fairing everything. Many of the slots in the keel had to be adjusted to get a good fit with the bulkheads. Once they were all dry-fit, I sanded down the tops to fair them to the keel and ensure that the shape of the deck will be correct. This was easier to do before the bulkheads were glued in, as I could mark what needed to be adjusted, remove the bulkhead, sand it, and replace it. I still haven't glued the bulkheads in. Before I do that I need to figure out my approach to fairing the hull. I did a horrible job with that on my Bluenose and on my aborted 18th Century Longboat. The Fair American's instructions detail a different approach, where the bevels on the bulkheads are roughed in before the bulkheads are glued in. I'll need to spend some time looking at that and decide if I want to try that method. Meanwhile...our 5 month old puppy decided to 'help' me with my build by eating some of the wood from this kit. I learned a valuable lesson about keeping things out of reach. Several pieces of basswood were destroyed, but those were easy to replace and I've already got them on order. He also managed to destroy most of the 1/32" thick walnut provided in the kit for the second hull planking. I was thinking of replacing that anyway (I don't like the color of that wood for the hull), so I'll be trying to decide what kind of wood to replace it with.

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