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  1. Hi Captainhash, Most kits of HMS Prince, including the Constructo kit, are based on the shipyard model in the London Science Museum. No harm in that, because the shipyard model is the set of "plans" from which the full size HMS Prince was built. But I guess that the customer (King Charles II and his brother the Duke of York) wanted some changes, especially to the decor and ornament, which are different in the 1672 painting from the shipwright model of circa 1668. So, I believe that the painting of the fleet including HMS Prince completed in 1762 is the best reference we modellers have for the decor, stern ornament, rigging, sails, color scheme etc. I believe that this painting is highly accurate and supersedes those details in the shipwright model. It would be great if kit manufacturers could be made aware of this painting of the HMS Prince, so that decor and mouldings supplied in the kit could be updated. What do you think? Would anyone on this forum like to undertake a commercial project to produce and license an updated set of "carvings" for the Constructo Prince kit? If I do it myself, is it likely that Constructo would license the moulds from me?
  2. Take a look at the stern image of the Prince in the 1672 painting "King Charles II receiving the fleet". I posted the link earlier. I believe this is the most authentic painting available of the stern and port side of the actual HMS Prince. The full painting is over 3 meters wide, so the Prince is pretty high resolution. Here is a link to the Royal Nautical Guild webpage for this painting. King Charles II visits the fleet in 1672
  3. Yours look great after reshaping, and the LED "lanterns" will be superb. Glad you noticed the mistakes in this part of the instructions. In my kit, three of the bulkheads, parts 5, 6 and 7 were laser cut wrong. It was impossible to slide in the strips for mounting lower guns. I had to dremel out an extra 5mm on the lower edge of all "slots" in those three bulkheads. I dry fitted and pinned together all parts up to and including upper deck 40 before I glued anything. There were many parts that had to be modified, not just 5, 6 and 7. I recommend this "dry fit" approach to anyone building any kit, because you will have to make some modifications to get everything to align correctly. These modifications are much easier to make before any parts are glued together. Also it's important to read ahead and check against the plans and original ship drawings and models and paintings frequently. We cannot rely on instructions or photographs in an instruction manual being correct. If something looks wrong, or doesn't fit correctly, it probably is the manufacturer that made the mistake, not you!
  4. Some observations about Constructo's choice of timber for planking the hull: The wood supplied by Constructo for planking the lower hull is a red hardwood with frequently "crossed" grain that traverses the strips at 90 degrees at times. This wood is hopeless for use when planking the lower hull. Even after soaking 2 days, then steaming and rolling the bends using a hot iron, the strips snap along the grain and across the planks as you can see in the photo attached. And btw, the holes for the pins were drilled first, otherwise pushing a pin into the timber snaps it straight away. The wood supplied by Constructo for planking the upper hull is a softwood with straight grain that runs consistently along the length of the planks. The planks bend easily and do not snap. The bends at the bow were easily made after soaking, not a single snap occurred. My conclusion is that it would be far better to plank the whole hull firstly using the softwood with straight grain. Then use 0.5mm hardwood and softwood strips like the decking strips as secondary planking for decorative and scale finishing purposes. I will never again try to plank a hull with primary planking using fragile redwood strips with crossed (90 degree) grain. This timber is totally useless and inappropriate for this job. I hope Constructo modify their kits in future! I will be painting the lower hull white, so I'm not too worried about the snapped timbers which I can repair with glue and wood filler.
  5. To answer the second question first. The other kit developer owns copyright to their work comprising kit design, laser cut part shapes, mouldings, instruction manual, photos kit plans etc. You can develop and sell another kit independently ... I.e. without copying any aspects of someone else's kit design, and e.g. based on museum plans or photos which are either licensed to you for commercial use, or free of copyright.
  6. Captainhash, many thanks! One thing I noticed in the instruction manual photos for the galleries is that parts 63, 65 and 67 appear to be shown assembled back to front. I believe they should be assembled so the small recess is near the stern and the longer recess is near the front. Not as depicted on pages 25, 44, 45 etc with the long recess at the stern. When correctly aligned, the "bulge" in parts 63, 65 and 67 should be linearly aligned with the upper parts 69 and 71. You can see this in the science museum model and in various 17th century paintings of the ship. The consequence of incorrect assembly is that the curved "bulges" in the upper and lower parts of the galleries do not align, and so the decor on the galleries does not fit correctly. In the instruction leaflet, the decor is sloped at an unnatural angle when compared with the shipyard model in the science museum in which the decor is parallel to the stern. Anyway I'll post some pictures in a later thread of the resulting "modified" stern galleries ... planking lower hull at the moment. Look at 5th or 6th image here, there's a very good photo of the stern gallery on the shipyard model of the Prince ... the decor is parallel to the stern ... HMS Prince Shipyard Model at London Science Museum Compare with images in Constructo Instruction Manual ... the decor is not parallel to the stern ...
  7. kurtvd19 - accepted My purpose was not to question MSW policy - but was to follow up on getting the SoS site closed for copyright infringements. One must be clear on what is regarded (by the courts) as in the public domain.
  8. US Law states as follows: 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use40 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. In the case of publication of images of ships on MSW "purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."
  9. Chuck, Many thanks, I will start building the case that SoS actively encourages and condones copyright infringement on their web site, and will get their web site closed down. I am also willing to build a case that the SoS forum Admins are liable for financial losses incurred by those whose copyright has been infringed by companies featured on SoS web content. Please contact me by email if you want me to build a financial loss case for you against SoS? My services are free of cost in these actions. Please do support and help me with specific evidence. Best, Rob
  10. I am interested to find out why you say the cost of plans for model ships is so high? For the Wasa and Victory and Constitution, the full size ships exist in museums who have produced full sets of plans which are licensed to kit manufacturers at low cost of about $10 per kit sold. For individual non-commercial model makers, the museum plans are available for about $50. Thanks, Rob
  11. Admins, As well as the excellent stand you have taken against manufacturers who are copyright thieves, could you also let me know evidence from other model maker forums that condone and support such theft? You can do it in private email if you prefer. It is an offence in Europe and USA to steal someone else's design, and it is also an offense to cause or support such theft of copyrighted material. If such forums are hosted in Europe or USA, I can get them shut down, at zero cost, so long as conclusive evidence of supporting copyright infringement is available. It is possible to sue Chinese companies for copyright theft, but you need very big pockets to fund the upfront costs. China is a signatory to international patent trademark and copyright legislation, and Chinese courts do act. Thanks, Rob
  12. I really, really like this forum and the people on it and the policies adopted by forum owners. Big thank you from me. Incidentally, I worked 12 years licensing intellectual property. Rob
  13. An alternative method for marking out the gun ports is to trace the gun ports from the Constructo plan on kitchen greaseproof paper, then tape and pin the tracing paper to the hull, then use a 0.8mm drill bit in my Dremel to mark each corner of the gun ports. Reverse the tracing paper to use the same tracing to do both sides of the hull. Before using the Constructo plan for gun port positions, I checked carefully with a side view image of the HMS Prince shipwright model in the UK science museum. As far as I can tell, the Constructo plans are very good. The easiest way for me to remove the 10 mm square of planking for each gunport was to first drill a 5 mm hole in the approximate center, next use a small Dremel cutoff wheel to mark all 4 sides, then use a mini saw blade to enlarge the 5mm hole leaving about 0.5mm of wood at each corner. The final surplus material was removed with a square section needle file. Constructo instruct the kit builder to make a frame from 1mm by 2mm stripwood and stick it inside each 10mm by 10mm gunport. This reduces the size of the opening to 8mm by 8mm which is too small an opening to be true to scale, and into which a 10mm by 10mm gunport cover is never going to fit. Closed gunport covers should "fit" flush with the hull. Also there is no visible "window frame" around each gunport in the ship wright model or in paintings of "the Prince". What did I do to solve this? I slightly enlarged each gunport opening to 11mm by 11mm. Then I used some 0.5 mm thick deck planking strips to line each gunport - meaning that the final opening size was 10mm by 10mm. The thin strips are barely visible in a side view. The sides of each gunport are painted red in all English ships. In the last picture, with some red and black painting done, the "halo" around upper gunports is bare wood onto which the circular gilt decor will be stuck using cyano later.
  14. I appreciate your condolences, thank you. I have recovered from the theft and things are good now. I hope to do a nice job building my Constructo HMS Prince kit.

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