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  1. I have some experience changing the tuck on a shape with an incorrect shape.  It you were to attack the edge of the stern with a coarse sanding block, you will soon opening up the space between ends of the planks and the last frame.  I had a similar problem with DeAgostini's HMS Sovereign of the Seas.  Luckily for me, I had filled the spaces between frames with balsa blocks, so when I sanded the corners off the stern, the plank ends still were attached to the balsa block and were not floating in free space.  All that was necessary was to use some filler to smooth out the modified area, and the filler provided good purchase area for attaching the final planking.  In your case, after you sand away the corners, you will have to insert some blocks of balsa, gluing them to whatever internal surface presents itself (forward face of the last frame, internal surface of the planks, etc.).  Then you can shape the blocks to the desired profile, and add filler to smooth the shape.  Even if the hole you sand open becomes large, you can use blocks of balsa, sticks or blocks of a soft wood such as basswood, and reshape the entire stern without worry.  You're going to cover it with finishing planks, so it doesn't matter where the seams of the wood underneath are.  You just need the structure underneath to be sound and have some strength.  It doesn't have to look pretty.  Such is the advantage of a dual planked hull.  I am of a mind that, if you leave a feature in your model that you know is not the best, you will ALWAYS be bothered by it, even years after the model is done.  Take the time to make things right as you see them, and you won't have any disappointments of your own making.

     

    Balsa fill is a lot of extra work, but after shaping and sanding to match the frames, it guarantees a smooth overall hull shape without visible sharp bends at frames and flat spots.

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    Stern before modification, demi-round tuck, and far too wide.

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    Sanding the corners round exposed plank ends, and balsa underneath.  At least the balsa is a strong foundation for the final planking.

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    The shape after final planking.

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    After painting the bottom with white stuff.

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  2. The main problem I have with paper sails is that they they bend easily in only one axis, and have almost no belly, which is essential for models of the early 17th century.  Cloth sails can be stretched in two directions, and held in shape with starch.  The course grain of cloth can be overlooked, but improper or unrealistic shape can not.

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  3. Corel models are appealing to me even though they are smaller in scale, and as such don't allow you to make details as easily, but the plans are nice and the wood materials are great quality.  But Corel makes more models from the the 17th century than other kit makers. The 3-D printed decorations and parts you made for the Greyhound are fantastic!  They add so much tiny details which are very hard to carve at this scale.  I'm trying to learn the same thing for my current model, using Aspire and Blender to make decorations and carvings, and am farther down the ladder on learning.  There is such a long way to go just learning how the 3-D printer works, starting with taking it out of the box, which hasn't happened yet.  :)   Love your work!  

  4. 3 hours ago, rraisley said:

    Just ran across this thread from a link on Pinterest, and so glad I did. Wonderful build! Just the kind of model I'd love to build, but probably couldn't. Great work!

    My compliments to Majq for making such a clean and elegant model of La Couronne as designed by Vincenzo Lusci by way of the Mantua kit.  Splendid work!

     

    Rraisley, if you are interested in another build of La Couronne, my build log is a heavily modified version of the Corel model for that vessel, located here:  La Couronne Build

    I have a specific interest in early 17th century men of war, and am currently working on HMS Sovereign of the Seas.  Let me know if you need specific help with a La Couronne build, particularly with the rigging and sails.  Best wishes!

  5. 42 minutes ago, Ed Ku20 said:

    Darivs, simply WOW!  Now your craftsmanship could qualify for the "ship model hall of fame".  Someday, I would love to be able to build a ship with minimal use of paint.  Your SoS is beautiful.  What is the scale?

     

    Thanks for sharing,

    Ed

    Thanks Ed, but this is only my second ship model.  Experience in other craft hobbies translates over very well.  It's 1:78 scale, unlike what DeAgostini claims as 1:84 scale.  The hull got started as the DeAgostini model, then went totally wild with scratch built bashing.  What's really neat is that all three interior gun decks are fully modeled and rigged!  Many say it's a shame to hide all these details, but I know they're there, and I have a borescope.  Each deck is fully structured like the main deck shown below.  Look inside!

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    LCDBorescope5.thumb.JPG.e862e464268b11f8db88845967fd93fd.JPGA 1" long gun looks almost real even at this magnification when properly rigged.  The gun tackles use 1.5mm boxwood blocks.

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  6. On 7/4/2023 at 3:10 PM, Ed Ku20 said:

    Hi Darivs, thanks for looking in!  Yes, the shipwrights who are building Rattlesnake right now are really good.  Lot's of interesting discussions that can be applied to any ship.  What model are you building now?

     

     

    I'm about halfway though a mostly scratch built HMS Sovereign of the Seas, and it's a huge challenge.  After it's done in about 6 years (wild guess), privateer Rattlesnake is next.  I'm collecting info on the details of Rattlesnake from other Rattlesnake builders to prepare.  Rattlesnake is a fine and unique ship, so different from other vessels in the fledgling US Navy.

     

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  7. On 5/1/2023 at 8:51 AM, allanyed said:

    In addition to the carriages, the gun patterns do not look right.  She would have carried Browne pattern barrels (circa 1625-1649) when launched.   Compare the Browne pattern below, which has the badge/cypher for that time period, with the kit guns.  Might be too late but I have STL drawings of the Browne Pattern in several sizes if you want them that can be sent to a 3D printer and be made in black or bronze colored resin at a really low cost.   2D drawing of one of the sizes is below as PNG and PDF

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    I am very interested in the STL files of the John Browne guns.

  8. 8 hours ago, md1400cs said:

    The issues with the SotS are that empirical data are not very informative, sketchy at best, and much of the ship's history have not been

    well documented regarding how it actually looked throughout its long life no two artists have the same ideas - especially in comparison to, let's say, the Vasa of similar vintage (irrespective of its much later resurrection).  Though regarding Vasa accurate rigging requires some guessing according to Dr. Fred Hocker, whom I had the pleasure of spending an hour with at the Museum in 2018. He mentioned that for the running rigging of the 1/10th the English of the period were very helpful. Dutch information was/is sketchy at best during that period. And many nationals from other countries were hired during the build.

     

    Many of us have seen stunning examples of the SotS in museum images and in scratch build logs. No two are the same in its infancy...  Given some "fog" that this ship owns, I for one have decided to add touches of artistic creative license to this current build. The Sergal, and the Deagostini being the only available kits from which to work also limit historically accurate work.

     

    Regarding Deagostini I have read from a super accurate source who noted that the Deagostoni's images, from their listing, are NOT from their completed kit (stern) but, actually from a one-of scratch built project. Hmmm????

     

    Build on - enjoy -  100% of my friends would have no idea of any errors of any kind... with the exception of my Admiral who seems to always find "something" that just doesn't look right. 🤣 😘 AND of course members here who so enjoy the intellectual and artistic foibles (accuracy) of this hobby. 

     

    Regards,

     

    As one who based a model on the DeAgostini kit, I can tell you for certain that the model used in the advertisements in not the one in the kit.  The model in the ads is an Italian made scratch built model.  The kit is based on that model, with several simplifications to make it easier to build for beginners, which is the target customer base for DeAgostini.  The instructions are certainly well made for beginners.  This has generated many accusations of false advertising which still ring out today.  However, the decorations and other features were changed from what we know the Sovereign featured.  The decorations were simplified into multiple stamped out copies spread across the hull in some cases.  Many of the decorations are well made, others a big disappointment.  The culverin carriages are the wrong type on the upper most decks of the fore and stern castles in that they should be half trucks, not full truck carriages. 

  9. On 4/26/2023 at 7:31 AM, mtdoramike said:

    I maybe the only one to say, build it. You have it, start a build log first off and ask questions, post pictures of your progress. There are videos on Youtube regarding the building process of the SOS, which will help you tremendously. I also don 't agree with the need for scratch building or bashing of this kit in order to build a beautiful example of the SOS. Majority of kits will produce exceptable models without scratching or bashing unless your attempts are to make it your own.

     

    Disclaimer: Take the above advice with a grain of salt because it comes from someone who hides in the wings, waiting for guys that bite off more than they can chew and later swoop in and adopt those orphaned kits that wide eyed first time builders attempt and then later drop like a hot rock. The SOS is one of the orphaned kits on my list to adopt. 

    It is not necessary to scratch build to make a beautiful model.  No one said that.  It IS necessary to scratch build to build a historically ACCURATE model of HMS Sovereign of the Seas.

  10. Chris is right to point out that no kit results in a build of Sovereign of the Seas without gross simplifications (primarily in the decorations) or accuracy in many of this early great ship's original features.  As a current builder of SotS, I can attest that the best way to build it accurately (from what little we know of the ship) is scratch building using LOTS of research and study or bashing (modifying) the framework of a kit as a starting point with every increasing replacements of parts with 100% scratch built rigging at the end.  I searched high and low for a shortcut that would provide instructions to correctly represent this most decorated of man-of-war, but in the end had to come to grips with the reality that it doesn't exist.  Practice on other models before you tackle the Sovereign, and be prepared to spend 90% of your time digging out research sources and reading them instead of building, and do not believe everything you read, but compare information sources.  You will have to make hundreds of personal choices taken from the interpretations of others and choose what make most sense to you using your judgement when it comes to the ship's features, and most of them are unsupported as you how correct they are.  So, build the ship as best as you can.  John McKay's book is a prime example of one interpretation of the ship that contains horribly wrong features from bad guesswork and interpretational choices.  The book looks pretty, but aside from the decorations, don't trust the hull structure.  If you can survive the frustration and fear that goes with huge amounts of educated guesswork, you may be able to tackle the Sovereign once your crafting skills are at least at an intermediate level.  Do your own homework, you'll make a better model, and accept the fact that no matter what, your model will not look precisely like other's models.

     

    Below is my 90% scratch build of the Sovereign, starting with the DeAgostini kit hull.  Other kit like the Mantua kit can offer a fair starting point, but also require massive hull changes, particularly to the stern.  Best source for details on the features are James Sephton's Sovereign of the Seas - The Seventeenth Century Warship, Peter Lely's painting "Portrait of Peter Pett", Sir John Payne's Print of HMS Sovereign of the Seas, Willem van de Velde's sketch of SotS (after the 1658-1661 rebuild), and Hendrik Busmann's Sovereign of the Seas - Die Skulpturen des britischen Königsschiffes von 1637 (rare and expensive out of print book in German on the decorations of the SotS).

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  11. Example of a demi-culverin drake on my model of HMS Sovereign of the Seas.  One of many. . .   😁  Half trucks used on these carriages were not all that popular on ships, but they were featured prominently on the upper gun deck of the Sovereign.  All 102 of the guns on my model are rigged to this level of detail as a personal challenge.

     

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