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In Windows for the L121, when the print dialogue box comes up click on the 'more options' tab, select 'Reduce/Enlarge Document and set the 'Zoom to' percentage (jeeeeeze, whats with Epson, everybody else calls it the scale). -
Tom, it looks like after the kennels were fitted the guys were attached to the top of stanchions so as to clear the kennels.
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Looks good to me.
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The Roaring Forties was only the start, you could try your luck further south in the Raging Fifties or even the Screaming Sixties. Along the edge of the Roaring Forties was pretty much the standard route. Fortunately for those aboard Lapwing she turned north to Adelaide long before reaching King Island or Victoria's south coast. The Loch Ard is well remembered, the gorge she foundered off is name after her (it's the one with the big car park).
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They finished up with only one paying passenger plus the owners family (wife and two daughters) and two servants (this is from newspaper articles and the servants may actually have been the daughters). They were heading out for the Gold Rush so possibly had a full (free?) crew. I don't actually have any info from my Great grandfather but again from newspaper reports (passing ships took mail and messages and reported sightings, whoever reached port first let them know who was coming and vaguely when to expect them) it was London to Cape Verde then probably Cape Town via the Brazilian coast, then on to Adelaide or Adelaide direct (I think Cape Town). Roughly 14,500 nautical miles in a boat that fits comfortably in my cousins front yard ( a 1 acre block, ~100' wide). No idea but probably. Supposedly Bramble just going in to Brisbane:
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Doh! I even have that in the file name, I blame the migraines. 😩
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Sorry, no and no. This is a great resource let down by poor design. Basically we have two databases, 1, is a set of card files indexed by vessel name and 2, the one I linked to, is a collection of drawings indexed by a reference number found on the card file for that vessel. So if you have a vessel name you can search the card file to find the card for that vessel. Unfortunately although the index is sorted by name the names do not appear in the index, just groups of numbers sorted by the names. If we want to find 'Lapwing' which I know is there we go to https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17172954#190662,31950663 and click on the + for the group Glom-Man and somewhere in those 166 records we will find 'Lapwing', remember they are sorted by name. When you find 'Lapwing' (116) you can read the card file, it contains Vessel Name, Vessel Type, number of guns, length, breadth, 1 or more drawing reference numbers and some comments (in this case the date the drawing was copied). Now we can use the drawing reference numbers to find the drawings in the other database. Now, the big problems are that the boat drawings above don't have a name so we can't find the card file and even if we could it probably won't have the date you want.
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Yes it's an exciting image, probably more so for me as I can (and did this morning) visualise my Great grandfather on board. I don't remember why I thought she was the 1778 Kite, perhaps I mixed up dates in my head, but that extra row of planking above the gun ports makes her more likely to be post the very early 1800s. Given the painting is dates ca1850 it is possible the artist as a boy knew Lapwings sister and remembered her fondly. There are discrepancies, the companionway faces aft and the wc and pantry are missing but she carries the right number of guns (well gun ports, she probably didn't carry a full compliment of guns) in the right places. He may have used Lapwing as a model as she was still around at the time of the painting but made changes based on boyhood memories, who knows. Looking at the painting itself, she's running downwind with both the main and square sail set, that would be wrong, she would be unbalanced with the main trying to turn her to port. Look at the helmsman, he's heaving on the tiller trying to keep her on course. The artist understands, this is a chase, every fraction of a knot counts. As you said, an exciting picture. So, yes this could be Lapwings sister, Speedys aunt.
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Here's two, A1260f and A1260g. They both show a clear relationship between frames and station lines.
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Tim, don't forget the pumps. I had a little play with ideas when you first posted your little cutters little cutter. I came up with ZAZ6347 (Vigilant) which has light pencil lines representing boats each side of the main hatch. Now Vigilant was a little larger making this more practical but I drew 18' (port) and 16' (stb) cutters on Lapwing:
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Ah, a CrazyCutter ™ MkI-L, looks like it does the job
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A clinker boat was built shell first* whereas a carvel boat was built frame first. Do the station lines relate to frames in a boat? I think 'probably' would be the best answer for a carvel hull, at least it's the one I use, and there may have been intermediate frames as well. For a clinker hull it's not so obvious, 'probably' for the mould/plug but for the 'ribs' no idea. * a clinker hull is actually built mould/plug first, then planking, then 'ribs'. I think the only function of the 'ribs' is to stop the planking splitting along the rivet lines but as usual I could be wrong. The carvel-build assimilates to that of ship-building, by first laying-off the form of the boat on the mould-loft floor, making moulds for, and taking the bevellings of the timbers, and forming them (the timbers) accordingly. The timbers are then erected, and secured in a temporary manner in their position, and the planking is afterwards brought upon them. But in the clincher and diagonal build, the planking is brought on first to the stem, stern-port, and transom or keel, as the case may be; and to moulds placed between to give the form; and the timbers are afterwards brought upon the planking.
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As they decked over the bridge deck openings the four forward ladders became redundant. It would appear one was cut down and used to get over the top of the kennels, another had a couple of upper treads removed and used port side aft probably because the amount of stores along the centreline prevented previous access from the starboard ladder unless you went all the way up to the mainmast and back. Just a guess.
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Me too, anyway that's a nice little cutter for your nice little cutter.
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Correct, outside the galley door. Again correct.
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Ship Ribbing with CAD?
iMustBeCrazy replied to Sanjith_D's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Well, you can follow my bumbling path through the links in my sig with the Lapwing drawings and build (to date) but I seriously suggest you start with something simpler than a Frigate, say a dinghy, skiff, dory etc. in 1:24 or 1:16 Meanwhile look for Frigate drawings you like in the best quality you can find, perhaps the Enterprize class, many nice big drawings: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=rmg+enterprize&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image&fileres=>1000 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=rmg+rose+plan+-chart+-painting&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image&fileres=>1000 -
Mike, I've always seen the dog kennels as recycled packing crates, pretty rough and ready. Built in sections of 3 and 4 dogs, sometimes the gap between two sections is roofed over for an extra dog. Probably 1/2 inch planks roughly sawn to length, butt jointed (I think that shingled look is just warped planks). Those forward seem rougher than the rest, possibly they used the best material aft? The 'Bovril' shot probably the best guide to their construction.
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I think he's asking you. Hope you don't mind, here's some enlargements: I had been thinking that it needed a sill under the doors otherwise the inboard ones wouldn't open properly. St Albans (1687) probably.
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It is indeed. Dan, here's a few more clues: https://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/mitglieder/modelle/roemerschiff-victoria/ https://roemerschiffe.de/victoria/ Looking at the last shot I see the midships moulds look to be arcs and the other moulds use the same arc rotated. Taking the above and adding it to This: Gives: Certainly not 100% right but perhaps 90%? It doesn't include the bow or stern either.
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For me, I think a tighter radius works. I also think it would look better if the spacing between the columns and adjacent panels was evened out but that's probably just me.
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I suspect that the verticals were indeed vertical and that the horizontals followed the curve of the deck (but were actually straight lines themselves) except perhaps at the head. This would make the panels parallelograms (except the outside ones and perhaps the middle ones). The five columns (blue) were probably proud of the 'wall'. But there's also a good chance I'm wrong. The standard answer is 'make a jig', it may take twice as long but it will give better results.
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A screenshot:
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Next two counter timbers done. Also some planking, a wale, the counter and stern roughly mocked up. I think the counter is going to need a slight curve on the sides.
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Brain fade. 2' tall in the middle, 4' x 4' square, 2 windows each side, hinged centre panel in the roof either side. Azimuth compass a couple of feet forward of it (not shown in this pic), binnacle forward of that.
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A tiny update representing a lot of head bashing. The inner pair of counter timbers: I had to remove 'deck beam' 18 to get them in, all six will be attached to it before being installed as an assembly. I thought I had the outer counter timbers worked out (several times) but I think I'll have to give up and do them in multiple pieces like Chuck did Cheerful.
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