malachy

So, bit the bullet and ordered the plans. Can´t wait to get the link, feels a bit like Christmas

But I can´t help to ask myself why the NMM can´t be a bit more it´s swedish counterpart. They not only offer Chapman´s ANM for free, but a lot of his personal collection also is available for download in high resolution pictures. This includes a very nice plan of the Victory of 1737, the drawings he made during his stay in Brest, draughts of the Wasa and the Bellona class and much, much more.

And this is just the Chapman collection. They also have countless draughts of 19th and 20th century ships, pretty much all of them either without copyright restrictions or under Creative Commons 3.0.

Sigh...

Michael, you get one 'item' for the price, in my case the body plan with sheer lines. There are two other plans (another body/sheer and the decks), so the whole set would probably cost 150 pounds. As robin and druxey already said, considering the time you´re going to spend with it, it´s a rather small investment. That´s what I´m telling myself (and the lady admiral), at least

And I don´t know about the file size, but it should be huge, as the resolution is in the 10000 pixel range. You get an order form after the request and once the payment is done, you´ll receive an email with the download link. Shouldn´t take more than a couple of days.

That´s some great info, Chapman. Dankeschön!

I´ve been able to track down the print you mentioned (The Mars Private Ship of War/John Chilcot Commander).

It´s available for download at the Yale Center of British Art site and in a rediciously high resolution, 3000x3000 px, file size is 23 mb.

A fine looking ship, the Mars. Do you know her dimensions? With 22 12-pounders she must have been in the 600 to 700 tons burthen range.

Now, Termagant is an interesting subject. I came across her sheer and profile plan many years ago and noticed that it shows a very early example of 'plug stock' rudder. Notice how the stern post is sloped away at the upper end so that the upper part of the rudder can turn in a small, circular helm port. This style of rudder was generally adopted by the Navy only some 25 to 30 years later.

 

This alone will make her an extremely interesting model.

 

Again, very interesting info. Thanks, Druxey!!

I noticed the slope, but didn´t know why they did it this way. This ship was a sailing anachronism, a 20 year old french design with advanced rudder mechanism

By the way, Emma from the NMM sent me an email regarding my price inquiry for a digital copy.

It´s 50 pounds per item for personal research O.o

The NMM got expensive real fast...

Interesting info, frolick, as far as I know she was placed in ordinary in 1790 and finally sold in 1795 after a rather uneventful career.

There was a Termagant in active service at the turn of the 18th century, but it is listed as a 18-gun post ship.

Strange that they would only arm her with six-pounders, as ships of her size and her number of main deck ports normally carried nines. Perhaps she was too lightly framed?

 

Could very well be. And at the start of the 1780s, the RN started arming sloops with 12-pounder carronades (Echo class). Maybe they thought a gun deck of 20 6-pounders plus 2 or 4 12-pounder carronades would be more efficient than just a gun deck of 18 or 20 9-pounders?

Hi folks!

While searching the NMM-website for interesting projects, I stumbled upon this beauty (and instantly made a price inquiry for a digital copy):

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82993.html

Perfect fusion of french (hull shape) and british shipbuilding, in my opinion. The lines, like the HMS Ceres of 1777, seem to be based on the Dunkirk-built privateer 'Pomona' (1761).

The NMM does not explicitly make this connection, but if you look at the body plan and compare the dimensions of the three ships (all have a length-to-breadth ratio of ~ 3.95), it should be pretty obvoius.

Quite interesting that the Admirality used such 'old' designs for new sloops around the start of the 1780s.

Myrmidon (1781), an almost 100% copy of the 'Panthère' captured in 1745,  and the subsequent 'Echo' class (yes, the cross section Echo class ) would be another example for this.

Anyway, here´s what I found so far:

Built in Bristol (J.M. Hillhouse)

Acquired     1780

Launched   1780

Dimensions

Length of Gundeck    110' 5"

Length of Keel             90' 6 ⅝"

Breadth                       28' 0"

Depth in Hold               8' 7"

Armarment

Upper Gun Deck  22 British 6-Pounder

Quarterdeck          4 British 12-Pound Carronade

After 1782

Upper Gun Deck 18 British 6-Pounder

Crew

1780    160

1782    125

Painting by Robert Dodd

Log books of 1782 and 1783 available at the National Archives

Would love to find more about her, especially sailing reports (for Termagant or Ceres/Pomona).

Regards,

Stephan

Shouldn´t the ladderways be aft of the mainmast anyway? That was the usual practice on 8-pounder frigates, as far as I know.

You could check the NMM for similiar ships:

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82910.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/384024.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82056.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83818.html

That drawing is from the Atlas du Genie Maritime, printed in the middle of the 19th century, if I remember correctly.

Do the measurements on the plan correspond to those given here? : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=17503

 

Why is it that suddenly, I'm not concerned about do-overs for the tiniest thing???     :D 

Congratulations, Mark, you´ve reached the model building nirvana, the highest state of mind of this hobby

Hi Bava, nice work.

 

I just started using Blender.  So far not to bad.  Do you import anything or is everything built in Blender.  I ask because I am importing stl files out of Solid Edge and Solid Works.

 

Scott

Hi Scott,

everything´s done in Blender, as I don´t like breaks like importing/exporting in my workflow

Looks awesome, I would skip the build and just get a 3D Printer  I like the internal pics, hope to see more!

 

Thanks I´ll redo the capstans and forecastle fittings, so there should be more internal stuff to show soon.

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Finished the texture for the ship bell today:

The whole text reads 'PANTHERE FECIT 1744'

Best regards,

Stephan

Sounds like a very interesting project. May I ask why you chose ANCRE plans? Is this just about french vessels?

And what is a low-to-mid polycount for a sailing ship? 20k tris? 100k tris? Curious minds and all that...^^

By the way, just had a look at your website, great modelling (the Suprise has a couple of inaccuracies, though), but I really fell in love with your drawings/paintings.You have a very nice style with an unique atmosphere

To answer Anja´s question, the length of gundeck was 84 french feet with a breath of 22 ff.

And great choice, gianperro, what a beautiful ship! I love that tumblehome, it makes her look like a curvaceous lady.

Keep up the good work

And on it goes...changed the transom and added a couple of things inside

Original plan for comparison:

Regards,

Stephan

Nirvana, Blender´s definitely worth a look (or two ). And thanks for the nice comment, really appreciated!

Been working on the head today, here are the latest wip pics:

Not happy with the shape of the cathead supporter, gonna do that again, I think.

Don´t worry, a glass with a nice red wine usually isn´t far away when I´m working on this model

Especially if parts of the rigging need to be done. Started with the shrouds for the main masts yesterday:

Awesome...sure cuts down on the sawdust  or do you add that too?

 

hehe, a nice guy on another modelling forum suggested that I should have some sawdust on my desktop to get the feel and smell of the 'real' thing

But no, otherwise there won´t be any sawdust. Maybe a nice stand for the ship with her name on it

Great to see another Blender user here. I hope your 'storms' are over soon and you are able to continue your lovely work!

Another small update

Ed,

Blender really is easy to use if you get used to the interface. It doesn´t take more than a few tutorials and you´re using shortcuts 80% of the time anyway

Soooo, summer break´s over, had some quality modelling time this week:

Changed a few bits here and there and added the beams for the quarterdeck.

'Humans' are 5'9''.

Regards,

Stephan

Thanks, Tony, Joe and Daniel

More pics to come soon, I´m just a bit busy with two builds now, but I´ll continue the work on the Panthere next weekend.

Regards,

Stephan

Very impressive, Magnus! The render times must be enormous. What´s the polycount of the model?

Thank you for your kind words, Tony

What would be very helpful to me as I learn from you would be some indicators of how you achieve the various bits of the build as you go along.

Well, this is one of the big problems with 3D builds, all depends on the program you´re using. As far as I know I´m the only Blender user (rather surprising as it is completely free) here - and the only one who makes modells intended for games, so I didn´t think that my approach would be worth explaining in detail. But if there are other blender user I´ll happily share my modelling techniques, just feel free to ask

And now some recent pictures of the modell:

Regards,

Stephan

And the work goes on. To be honest, I´m a bit daunted by the quality of the other 3D builds here, but oh well...

Not sure which type of cathead supporters I should use, Renommee or Comete

style?

Whoa...oh my... *speechless*

This is probably one of the best models of a wooden ship I´ve ever seen, great work and outstanding attention to detail!

MakeHuman ain´t bad either for that purpose

And the work goes on:

close up of the planking (treenails and vertical chaulking not added yet):

Regards,

Stephan