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DelF

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  1. We are planning to move to a retirement village later this year and I won't be taking my larger workshop tools with me. I've already put my larger lathe and mill on ebay, but would much rather my modelling equipment went to a Forum member (I'm also listing my oscillating bobbin sander). I'm hanging on to smaller tools and in a funny sort of way I'm looking forward to going back to a simpler way of modelling. This is Proxxon's top of the range scroll saw and does everything you could want such a machine to do. I've used it quite a bit but it's still in perfect working order and comes with a set of coarse, medium and fine blades. I particularly like the handy slot on the table that keeps the blade holders exactly the right distance apart as you fit the blade. The saw currently retails for around £450 and I would be happy for it to go to a Forum member for £300. The saw is heavy (20kgs) so will need to be collected in person, from Worksop in North Nottinghamshire. Derek
  2. I originally bought this with a view to scratch building HMS Winchelsea. I don't think that's going to happen now as I've still got HMS Sphinx on the stocks and Indefatigable and a couple of smaller kits in their boxes. We're planning to move to a retirement village later this year so I won't be taking my big workshop tools with me (I'm also going to list my Proxxon DS460 scroll saw). I used the sander once to shape some replacement parts for a friend's rocking horse and it did a great job. It's very solidly built and would be useful for general DIY jobs as well as model building. The machine came with six coarse grit sanding sleeves and I bought a second fine grit set. The sander retails for just under £170 plus around £10 for the extra sleeves. I'd be happy for it to go to a Forum member for £100. Due to size and weight this will have to be for collection only, from Worksop in North Nottinghamshire. Derek
  3. Hi Glenn. Apologies for missing your post - spending time with family and friends has kept me away from ship building for a while, apart from a bit of fiddling with port lids, which I'll log shortly. I'm hoping to get onto 2nd planking once the next set of visitors and holidays are out of the way. Derek
  4. Just catching up with your build - great progress (and I can't believe how fast you are, at least compared to me!). I was particularly impressed with your fairing - I've not tried palm sanders, but they certainly seem like a useful tool. I look forward to following your log from now on. Derek
  5. Superb result - well done! I'm jealous now as I've still a long way to go on my Sphinx. Derek
  6. I was tempted to get these but they're silly money in the UK - eg £42.16 (~$54) versus $29.95 for the 5" set. I'll have to continue to make do with ordinary flexible sanding blocks ☹️
  7. Thanks Glenn. I’ve used the pen sander quite a lot since I got it. I find the supplied sandpaper too fine for some jobs but it’s easy to ca a piece of coarser stuff to the tip.
  8. First planking finished It's taken a while to finish the first planking, partly because I've been busy with other things, but also because I like to take my time with this stage of the build. I probably won't paint the hull so the second planking layer will need to be as neat as I can make it. Whilst the first layer won't show, I feel it's good practice to take as much care with it as possible, in particular rehearsing the measuring, tapering and edge bending methods I'll use in the final layer. The first job was to construct a support that would enable me to work on the hull upside down. I had some spare pipe insulation foam lying around – a short length cut in half and stuck to a baseboard did the trick: Next, I used pencil marks on the frames to divide the hull into four bands to make measurement simpler. At this stage I went for simplicity, dividing each frame into four equal parts. For second planking I’ll use thread or battens to ensure the planking flows in pleasing curves around the hull. At the midships frame, there is space for exactly 20 full width 5mm planks, so I didn’t bother marking all the frames where no tapering will be required (like the one on the right in the picture above). In this picture I’ve fitted the garboard strake and one adjacent. As always with the garboard, care must be taken to make sure it does extend too far up the stem, otherwise there won’t be enough space for the remaining planks without excessive tapering and drop planks etc. I tried to get the garboard at the bow to look dead flat along the top edge when viewed from the side. I’ve also temporarily fitted the keel – possibly not really necessary but I felt it helped me get the garboard strake right. I’d previously drilled through the keel and the false keel to provide possible future mounting points, and I’ve used small wood dowels as temporary fixings. The actual planking process went smoothly albeit slowly. In the end I just needed a small amount of wood filler in a couple of low spots. Rather than clog the log with a blow-by-blow account, I’ll just include a few photos of work in progress and save a more detailed account of the process for the second planking. Shutter Plank Most strakes consisted of just two planks. However, in a few cases – usually where the bow and/or stern sections required a lot of tapering and bending, I chose to produce shorter planks for these areas, with a so-called shutter plank joining them. The last strake was an interesting shape, but relatively straightforward: Here’s the planking finished, with an initial sanding and a wipe down with white spirit: There’s now some more construction work before I get on with the second planking. Derek
  9. Starting the planking Thanks for all the likes and kind comments. The first two strakes on each side were easy, with no tapering required. The third was slightly trickier as an extreme bend was required at the stern. The curve at the bows is fairly gentle and strictly speaking I didn’t need to pre-bend the planks. However I think it’s always a good idea to do so and thereby remove any unnecessary stress in the hull. Besides, it didn’t take long – a quick dip in hot (not boiling) water and the plank was lightly pinned and clipped in position before being blasted with a hot air gun and left a few minutes to cool down: Before removing the plank I marked it for cutting on one of the middle bulkheads: Although it would be possible to complete each strake with a single plank I find it more convenient use two. That way I can worry about bow and stern tapering and bending separately. I stagger the join between the two planks so it doesn’t fall on the same bulkhead in successive strakes. Again, not strictly necessary but it just looks better to my eye. I will use a planking pattern more akin to full size practice for the second planking. The final step before gluing is to bevel the top edge of the plank. Not a full bevel across the width of the plank, just taking off the back edge with a light sanding is sufficient to get the plank to sit tight against the preceding strake (except at some points in the stern, where the angle between successive planks is extreme and where a fuller bevel is required. Of course, this is only the first layer and any gaps can be filled before the final planks are laid. However I just find it’s good to practice the techniques at this stage where mistakes are less critical. I applied glue to the top edge of each plank as I fitted it. This avoids any tendency for the planks to move up and down in relation to each other during sanding, which can make it difficult to get an even finish. Here's the third plank down on the port bow glued, and pinned where necessary. When I start a session I like to remove the pins from the previous day to re-use - and to avoid catching my knuckles on! The third strake down required a severe bend to fit round the stern. I practiced on an offcut and found the best method to avoid splitting the plank was to use an Amati plank nipper. I also used the offcut to determine the angle to cut the end of the plank. Once cut and bevelled it was just a case of applying glue and plenty of pins, and hoping for the best! Here’s the main tools I used: Starting from the left, the Fineline applicator is great for applying glue just where you need it. It's especially useful for laying down a long run of glue, eg on a plank edge. The homemade plank clamps are easy to make by cannibalising small paper clips. I didn't get on with pin pushers until I got this extra fine one from Vanguard Models - it works a treat. The Amati plank nipper works really well on the first planking. I'm not sure it'll be as useful on the second planking where it might mark the surface. We'll see. The hot air gun is one of my most used tools wherever heat is required. Not just planking but also, for example, with heat-shrink tube used to simulate iron bands on masts etc. For the rest of the planking, where tapering is required, I’ll use my proportional dividers and the technique I described in my Duchess log. Derek
  10. Thanks Tim. No significant technique - I just find that if you can hold the piece properly it makes it easier to cut straight. To that end I made a little cutting table similar to a jeweler's bench peg; just a square of thin MDF with a triangle cut out of one side and clamped to the bench top. Cutting within the triangle area means the workpiece is well supported and can be moved around as necessary.
  11. Welcome aboard Glenn. I wouldn't feel I was doing my job if I wasn't encouraging you to buy even more tools - you do it to me often enough!
  12. Thanks Nipper. I've found the most important part is the planning and preparation prior to gluing. Once that was done actually fitting the patterns to the hull was comparatively easy. I had much more difficulty with Speedy where I had to resort to a steam iron to get the kinks out of the pattern (see here). Fortunately my technique has improved since then! Thanks Jim. As I said, I learned a lot from the advice you gave on earlier logs.
  13. Upper hull side patterns Fitting these patterns is one of the more critical early stages in the build. As others have pointed out, it is essential to look several steps ahead because the slightest misalignment at this stage can cause problems further down the track. I learnt a lot by reading @Blue Ensign and @Glenn-UK's logs, and the advice Jim Hatch offered on them. However I soon found that simply following others’ logs isn’t enough to avoid problems. For example, B.E. spotted a difference between his build and the manual – the slot marked ‘A’ in the shot below was partially above the bulwark in the manual but not in his. However the kit plan drawings seem to support BE’s model. Try as I might I couldn’t get the patterns to sit low enough to match BE’s Sphinx without losing alignment with the gunports. My alignment looked closer to that in the manual. I was concerned because I knew BE’s model turned out fine (more than fine, actually!). I took some comfort from the fact that the curve marked ‘B’ in my photo lined up perfectly with the corresponding curve on the hull, but decided the only way to proceed with confidence would be to temporarily fit the stern patterns to make sure everything lined up. Here’s the three patterns fitted with double sided tape and clamps (not very well adjusted at this stage!): One of the key tests is where the upper side patterns meet the upper stern pattern – there must be sufficient room for the capping rail that will eventually sit on the side pattern, without it sticking above the stern pattern. This shot suggests there will be sufficient gap: I can’t explain the differences between my findings and BE’s. I can only guess that, no matter how accurately the parts are designed and produced, tiny differences will creep in between models as they are built without necessarily impacting the final result so long as care is taken to test everything for (reasonable) alignment at every stage. I want to open up the quarter gallery so before gluing the upper patterns I needed to mark and cut out the doors (I’ve already done that for the inner bulwark patterns but forgot to log that). I clamped the patterns in place and marked the door opening as accurately as I could with a sharp point... ...then used a jeweler's piercing saw: I’ll tidy up when the patterns are glued in place. Next it was on to pre-bending the patterns. Ever since I permanently shrank one of the Duchess’s patterns by using boiling water I’ve been nervous about this process, preferring to use dry heat where I can. I wasn’t sure that would suffice with these patterns so I soaked them in moderately hot water for 45 minutes, clamped to the model, blasted with a hot air gun for good measure then left overnight. The result was fine, with the bent patterns requiring very little persuasion to conform to the shape of the hull when I glued them in place: I used dilute wood glue as suggested in the manual, to allow time for getting the alignment just right, supplemented with fine pins to hold the lower edges of the patterns tight against the frames. I only had enough clamps to do one side so I took my time with this, allowing each side to dry overnight. Everything looks OK so far: I'm pleased that the patterns follow the gentle concave curves of the upper hull as shown in the last shot. Planking next! Derek
  14. Fairing Thanks for all the likes! Before starting on the fairing marathon I tried out the various jigs that Chris has provided to maintain the shape of the bulwarks during subsequent operations. These all fitted perfectly, which suggests everything is well-aligned so far: I took the fairing very steadily, just a short session every day in between chores around the property, and I’m reasonably pleased with the result. The proof will be in the planking. The large number of bulkheads, the gunport frames and the extra shapes in the bow and stern sections make it fairly straightforward to sand down to the correct hull shape – along with constant testing with a planking strip to check. My only slight difficulties were in the bow and stern sections, and that was because I was too timid in sanding these off the model and consequently left myself with a lot to do after they were glued in place and access became more difficult. However with my new pen sander and a small drum sander on the Dremel I was able to get into the awkward places. Here’s the result: Here’s the tools I used for fairing: The next job was trimming the gunports. I did the initial work with a scalpel, then finished with a barrette file. The file’s triangular shape ensure you only cut the face you are working on, and not the adjacent sides. The way the gunports are framed in MDF makes trimming the inner bulwark patterns very easy: Finally I cut up some of the 4mm MDF fret to frame the quarter gallery doors: Next job will be preparing and attaching the two upper hull side patterns. Derek
  15. Coming along very nicely Dave. I think you are right to go with the 0.1mm line for your ratlines. When in doubt I usually prefer to go with a thinner thread because I believe undersized always looks better than oversized on a model. Besides, I've found that the thread supplied in kits is often larger than the nominal size. Always best to measure for yourself. Btw, I was impressed by your mouses - I've not gone for the woven look before, but seeing how realistic yours are I'll have to give it a go. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy your trip to the west country. Derek
  16. Gundeck bulwarks - finishing off Fitting the spirketting to the bottom part of the gundeck bulwarks was straightforward and as per the manual. The deck clamp patterns that run along the top edges of the bulwarks came next. The manual suggests fixing these so that the top edges come slightly above the top edges of the bulwarks. This felt slightly imprecise so I decided to use pins through matching holes in the patterns and the bulwarks to hold them in place whilst the glue dried: For the colour I decided to try matt red in AK Interactive's 3rd Generation acrylic range, as recommended by @James H and sold by Vanguard Models. I was very impressed how this brushed on and covered, and I'm looking forward to trying it in my airbrush. I never think bulwarks look complete without a waterway so I departed slightly from the manual by fitting my own. I used a spare length of boxwood cut to a an angle on the table saw as described here in my Duchess log. I'll drill out the scuppers later. Next I looked at the area in the bows around the bridle ports, which is not covered by the bulwark pattern supplied with the kit. Here's the section around the starboard bridle port, just ahead of the stove: This area will just about be visible if the bridle ports are shown open so I decided to follow @Blue Ensign's lead and finish them off with some spare material from the bulwark and spirketting frets: A tad crude, perhaps, but in this barely visible area that'll suffice. A mammoth fairing session next. Deep joy! Derek
  17. Update Progress has been somewhat chaotic over the last month, with log keeping falling by the wayside. Shaping then fitting the filler pieces to the keel was straightforward: I started fairing the inside faces of the frames to prepare them for gluing the bulwarks. However I found this very laborious and decided to order a Proxxon pen sander to speed the work. Unfortunately my supplier was out of stock and I ended up waiting a fortnight for the tool to arrive. In the meantime I made a start on the ship's boats and got as far as attaching the keels to the frames: You'll see I couldn't resist making a start on the stove. When the sander finally arrived it did a good job. These shots show it on it's transformer and in action: Fitting the four sections of the gundeck bulwarks in place went very smoothly, with no bending required. In this next shot the front bulwarks have been fitted and the quarterdeck beam spacing patterns are being glued in place prior to the rear bulwarks: Here's the stove, just waiting for some steel weathering powder to add highlights. I'll probably add a grill and drip tray before finally fixing it in place. With the bulwarks fitted I decided to see what the etched deck it looked like. I was so impressed I went against my earlier decision to fit my own deck planks. Here's the deck glued and clamped, with dowels in place of the three masts to keep everything aligned: So far so good. It was at this stage that the wheels started to come off. Part of the deck around the main mast felt springy and clearly was stuck down properly. There was no easy way to inject more glue, so I thought if I soaked the deck around the springy area and applied weight, that might revive the existing glue get it to stick. This actually worked surprisingly well, but unfortunately I hadn't taken sufficient care in setting up the weight. I used my miniature anvil and, although I put a sheet of paper under it, the water soaked through the paper and leached some muck of the anvil thereby staining parts of the deck. I'm not sure what the stain was, but it had soaked into the wood. I was faced with a choice - lift the whole deck and revert to Plan A, ie make my own deck, or try to repair it. I opted for the latter, and with the help of some sharp tools I managed to lift the ruined planks and replace them with ones cut from the same maple sheet as the deck. Here's some shots of the work: The remaining stain near the mast will eventually be hidden, and to the naked eye the repairs look almost invisible. That's enough excitement for one month. I'm hoping to report more normal progress in future! Derek
  18. Hi Bill She actually looks quite plain compared to many ships of the era, for example some of Henry Vlll's fleet such as the Mary Rose and Henry Grace a Dieu. They were actually earlier vessels, both built in the 1510s. As you say, shipwrights at that time didn't have electric saws. Neither did they keep plans nor (until much later) did they produce accurate dockyard models. So unfortunately the evidence for most ships of the period is limited to paintings, drawing, written accounts and archaeology/wrecks, none of which can provide sufficient information to guarantee a totally accurate model. I think the word authentic can have a slightly less strict interpretation. For example, the painting of the Mary Rose above is modern, but it is based on a contemporary 16th century painting of the original ship. Furthermore it is by a marine artist, Geoff Hunt, who understands ships and how they are sailed. He would also have had access to information from the wreck of the ship which is now preserved in Portsmouth. So I would argue that the painting is an authentic representation of the Mary Rose as it is based on the best information currently available on the real ship. For me, one of the pleasures of this hobby is research. So much is available online now it might be worth doing some digging on the San Bartolome to see if you can answer your own question on the authenticity of the model. Derek
  19. Stern frames, lower sub-deck & gunports Thanks B.E., and all the likes. As designed, the shape of the stern fames incorporates a bench seat in the great cabin: As others have noted, and I checked in my copy of AOTS Pandora (a virtually identical frigate) this bench is over-size and too high up. Following @Blue Ensign's lead I got to work with the Proxxon scroll saw and trimmed the components back to the bare frames, the idea being to construct the bench separately later in the build. The gundeck subdeck was fairly easy to install, only requiring light sanding in a couple of areas before the two halves fitted in to the slots in the hull frames. With the engraved maple deck glued to the subdeck I'm sure the resulting surface would be very solid. However I've already more-or-less decided I'm going to cut and fit my own boxwood deck planks, so I had to provide extra support for the two halves of the subdeck, especially down the middle. Not for the first time I followed Blue Ensign's lead. Like him I glued frames under the ladderways and hatchways using some boxwood from the scrap bin cut down to 3mm square: It was tricky to locate and clamp the frames so I had to tackle the job in stages: The end result feels solid. The next task was fitting the gunport frames. There are 44 of these in total - two frames per gunport per side. Here's the frames from one side of the ship: Note how all components are numbered. It's worth pointing out that each pair is different, making sure that each exactly fits its position on the hull. In fact they're so well designed and produced that there is absolutely no slack in their fitting. I found you have to orient each piece precisely as you offer it up to the hull otherwise it won't slot in to place. Here's the result: More filler pieces to fit to the false keel next. Derek
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