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Welcome Tony! Multiyear projects with life getting in the way...yep, you ll fit right in!

I think an update is in order I have been busy as a bee with all sorts of things and spending the limited free (-ish) time making rope. I made a variety of sizes because my rope walk takes up the whole garage so I wanted to take it down and not put it up until my next model. Overall I made 250 m of rope! My rope walk works fantastically well and I actually had a go at making a cored rope. It did not work but the experience was very valuable. I might actually in the future make a whole new motor-cog unit with 4 positions, to make 4 strand and also cored rope. This are my results in regards to thread and rope sizes Left Twist: Petra, Perle Right Twist: Cebelia, Babylo, Cordonnet, Mara one ball Cordonnet 40 makes about 22 m of rope DMC Petra 3, 1x3---1.46 mm Petra 5, 1x3---1.18 mm Petra 8, 1x3---0.88 mm Petra 8, 2x3---1.25 mm Cebelia 10, 1x3---1.06 mm Cebelia 10, (1x3)x3---2 mm Babylo 40, 2x3---0.9 mm Perle 5, 3x3---2.1 mm Perle 5, 2x3---1.72 mm Perle 8, 1x3---0.81 mm Perle 8, 2x3---1.25 mm Perle 12, 1x3---0.63 mm Perle 12, 2x3---0.94 mm Cordonnet 20, 1x3---0.61 mm Cordonnet 20, 2x3---1.12 mm Cordonnet 40, 2x3---1.04 mm Cordonnet 60, 2x3---0.87 mm Cordonnet 60, 3x3---1.08 mm Cordonnet 80, 2x3---0.82 mm Cordonnet 100, 2x3---0.7 mm Cotton/linen yarn, 2x3---2.3 mm (too fuzzy) 100% cotton yarn, 2x3---2.3 mm (Too fuzzy) Gutermann Mara 30, 1x3---0.81 mm Mara 30, 2x3---1.06 mm Mara 30, 3x3---1.43 mm Mara 70, 2x3---0.77 mm Mara 70, 3x3---0.94 mm Mara 120, 2x3---0.56 mm Various Linen 40/2, 1x3---0.66 (Irregular, bad rope) Dual Duty XP, 4x3---1.6 mm (bad rope) Dual Duty plus, (1x3)x3, 1.6 mm (bad rope) Cottolin 22/2, 3x3---1.9 mm (quite fuzzy) DMC thread are very expensive but really wonderful. Gutermann Mara threads are very impressive, if I ever build a period ship I will only use these. I ll go back to the actual building now. On a different note, I have been very superficially thinking about the next model. A (very) large scale RC cold moulded sailboat is somehow coming up constantly. But I also want to make a simple clinker rowing boat, again at a very large scale, I feel the need to get immersed in the lapstrake planking. I certainly do not have the time, equipment and piece of mind to tackle the two masted schooner I ve always wanted to build. We will see.

Dear all Having spend a lot of time making rope I d like to share my experience. I ve made many rope sizes using all of DMC range as well as a few others. This is what I came up with. Left Twist: Petra, Perle Right Twist: Cebelia, Babylo, Cordonnet, Mara one ball Cordonnet 40 makes about 22 m of rope DMC Petra 3, 1x3---1.46 mm Petra 5, 1x3---1.18 mm Petra 8, 1x3---0.88 mm Petra 8, 2x3---1.25 mm Cebelia 10, 1x3---1.06 mm Cebelia 10, (1x3)x3, 2 mm Babylo 40, 2x3---0.9 mm Perle 5, 3x3---2.1 mm Perle 5, 2x3---1.72 mm Perle 8, 1x3---0.81 mm Perle 8, 2x3---1.25 mm Perle 12, 1x3---0.63 mm Perle 12, 2x3---0.94 mm Cordonnet 20, 1x3---0.61 mm Cordonnet 20, 2x3---1.12 mm Cordonnet 40, 2x3---1.04 mm Cordonnet 60, 2x3---0.87 mm Cordonnet 60, 3x3---1.08 mm Cordonnet 80, 2x3---0.82 mm Cordonnet 100, 2x3---0.7 mm Cotton/linen yarn, 2x3---2.3 mm (too fuzzy) 100% cotton yarn, 2x3---2.3 mm (Too fuzzy) Gutermann Mara 30, 1x3---0.81 mm Mara 30, 2x3---1.06 mm Mara 30, 3x3---1.43 mm Mara 70, 2x3---0.77 mm Mara 70, 3x3---0.94 mm Mara 120, 2x3---0.56 mm Various Linen 40/2, 1x3---0.66 (Irregular, bad rope) Dual Duty XP, 4x3---1.6 mm (bad rope) Dual Duty plus, (1x3)x3, 1.6 mm (bad rope) Cottolin, 3x3---1.9 mm (quite fuzzy) This is how 230 m of scale rope looks like!

Very nice Geert! Your boat has a wooden loveliness, a pleasure to follow!

I have not been able to follow your work on this boat Elijah and I very much regret it. Your skills have developed so much, you are doing a fantastic job! The planking came out superb. Regards Vaddoc

Large scale small rowing wooden boat, what a fun project! And very nicely done!

Welcome Hector!

I recently used copper wire served with thread. It may work for you and the scale you work at.

Looks very nice Geert! Going back to the planking: I think that you might get away without spilling in 1:62 scale or similar but not in 1:10, especially with 3 mm thick planks. I think a guide to how the planks should be is that when looking the planks from the side, they should look almost horizontal In the Deben, the gardboard and the planks close to it where very curved upwards. The planks in the middle were straight (-ish). The planks near the sheer were quite curved the other way. All of the planks however, when put in place appeared almost horizontal. When defining their position in the frames, I used a 3 x 3 mm pear strip to make sure they were fair. So in your boat, maybe it could be something like this (Sorry for the patches in the picture) Considering the curved plank will need to come out of a straight one, and that trees have a given width, this tells you how wide the planks could be in the real boat and how many planks need to be on each side. Very curved planks need to be quite narrow otherwise they would need to come out of massive pieces of timber By changing the shape of the gardboard in the middle and aft at the sternpost and also changing how far up the stem it will end, you can change the shape of all the other planks. 1:10 is a great scale, you can use 1 mm screws to hold the planks in place and then fill the holes with tree nails.. Another thing, for 3 mm planks you would need to shape their edges a bit so they can sit closer when the hull has a significant curve. Apologies for the long post, hope I did not hijack your log! Your hull looks great so your method in the end worked just fine Vaddoc

Such an enjoyable log Gary. The valve and hose blew me away. Too many new things to absorb, looking forward for more Regards Vaddoc

Very nice work Jose! It's amazing how much wood this boats had, they were floating forests. Your boat is lovely, your hard work shows through.

Lovely work Geert, just found the time to visit. I especially like the scale and the proper steam bending of the frames! The second method of planking you followed is much more likely to produce accurate results. Could I make a few suggestions from my experience: You can take the pattern of a plank in segments, one third first, then add the second etc, see photo bellow Use thicker card so that it cannot be bent laterally. The cardboard in the photo is 2 mm (The planks were also 2 mm) The garboard plank should reach as low at the stem as possible, so the rest of the planks are less cramped and lie more fair. The shape of the planks, after the position in the frames is determined, need to somehow be faired. Your hull looks great. What glue did you use for the ribs? Regards Vaddoc

One last update, probably the last one for some time By attaching a second swivel to the existing one, it now rotates much more freely. The piece of wood is there to stop the line at the other end of the swivel twisting as well. These are the sizes of rope I produce with the various combinations of threads. I think I ve made close to 100 m of rope this weekend. I think that the majority of rope will be 1.1 mm (11 mm in real boat), a few bits maybe 1.3 -1.4 mm and the rest 1 mm or less. It is much faster to make 2x3 rope than 1x3 as tying the threads to the rope walk is much quicker. So I think I ll use Perle 12 and various Cordonnet sizes in 2x3 and also Petra at 1x3 which makes great rope but needs a lot of tying. DMC threads are very expensive but also very nice.

Just a few of my tries, the twist of the rope produced was pretty tight. This thread has a right hand twist but can be untwisted and twisted the other way easily. Mara 30 3x3 1.43 mm 2x3 1.06 mm 1x3 0.81mm Mara 70 3x3 0.94 mm

My DMC threads arrived and today I ve been making ropes. The rope walk takes up the entire garage and is a bit of a job to set it up so I would like to make all the ropes I will need or that is likely to need. So I ll just produce huge quantities of various sizes and then take the rope walk down so I can work on the boat. The DMC threads are wonderful and the rope equally great. I actually like the ecru colour.