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Merchant ship Mayflower by AntonyUK - as first built c.1600 in Harwich UK - all guess work
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Hanseatic ship c. 1500 by goetzi73 - 1:50 - first scratch build
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Venetian round ship 13th century by woodrat - 1:32 scale - fully framed
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Carl, I have no idea. Wrecks of this period have no decks. The Black sea may tell us in time. At the end of the day, if I am not happy, I can fully plank the deck. There must have been some method of strengthening the deck around the mast partners and bitts to allow transmission of force. Dick -
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Here is the framing of the mid portion of the deck including hatch and mizzen mast partner. It is largely guesswork but I can assure you it is quite strong. Dick
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with regard to the "horns" at the stern, they are consistently shown with round knobs on top. This seems to suggest that the yards could be lashed to the horn, obviating the need for a cross piece. I agree that in port they may have just used removable crutches. Smaller vessels may have taken yards and unstepped the masts, stowing them along the side as seen in the Breydenbach vessel on the left. Dick
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Love the crutches but I still think your spur is too long😓. But as long as you are happy with it, thats all that matters. Interestingly the undoubted dromons shown on the Annales de Genes show the spur well. These are not dromons as there is only a single bank of oars Dick 😊
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The yards were too long to stow on deck and in the case of galleys, would get in the way of oarsmen. Lowered yards could also be used to drape awnings when in harbour. Here is a picture from Breydenbach's Peregrinatio in Terram Sanctam 1486 (artist Reuwich) showing a small trading vessel being loaded through a removable bulwark. Note that quarter rudders are used with a swing mount but have been removed while in port. Note also that the other vessel has a massive stern rudder which would be very difficult to unship. Dick
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Thanks, Steven. I know this drawing well as it was used on the cover of prof. Pryor's book "Geography, technology and war" . Required reading for anyone interested in the maritime history of the mediterranean in the mediaeval period I agree that the "horns" at the transom are wrongly drawn. They are probably meant to be lashed to the lowered yard. Question: When the yard was lowered, in the absence of horns, what did the yards rest on? Removable crutches? Alberto. I have reviewed all my images of the Black Sea vessel and I agree that there is definitely a gap in the starboard bulwark which is likely where a removable bulkhead was sited. I have put them on both port and starboard sides.. Cheers Dick
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Thanks, Alberto. The Laurons ship was one of the factors that persuaded me that removable bulwarks were often used. In addition the veneziano painting on which I base my reconstruction seems to show the coffin of St Mark being loaded across a gap in the bulwarks: I will have to closely look at that feature on the Black Sea vessel you have pointed out. Well spotted. Dick
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Including the coamings it is 67mm. equating to 2.14 metres which is 6.2 venetian piede Dick
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I am unaware of when gratings made their first appearance but have seen no evidence of them in the mediaeval period or earlier. Dick
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Steven. I found that tapering the wedges slightly from the outside to the inside allowed them to fit together more snugly. Then they are woolded. The dromon is looking fine. Too late to use it as a bread basket.😊 Dick
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I suppose so. All is supposition until I get some answer from the archaeologists. I have been unable to find pictures of hatches from contemporary sources. Dick
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Have installed the mast partners, main hatch and bitts. Dick
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Thanks for those pics, Binho. Most Useful. The round throughbeams have also puzzled me. The vessel is said to be a "round ship" although not as "round" as what people conceived a round ship to be. The Contarina I wreck is about the same period as the Black Sea vessel but regional differences are important. Just look at the vast range of different types of hull and rig extant in the 20th century in the Arabian Sea. One of the unusual findings in the Contarina ship was the cut off of top timbers level with the deck in the mid section of the ship. Combined with this was the slotted timbers at each end of the gap. This seems to represent a removable section of bulwark. Is this to facilitate cargo loading or to allow sweeps to be deployed? No-one knows but I favour a combination of the two. In any case, I have included this feature in my model. The section of bulwark could be lifted by two men and slid into position Here is the rake of the main (forward) mast here is the rake of the mizzen (rear) mast Cheers Dick
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Thanks, Binho. As I cant purchase the documentary in Oz, that would be most kind. Thanks also Mark and Steven. I do not plan to cover up any more of the hull framing. Partial deck plank it is. I have a tentative plan for the deck. It is largely driven by the position of the mast partners Dick
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I couldn't help it! The wood was crying out for moisture. So I slavered on lots of orange oil and the wood said "thank you". The hull is largely complete. I now will attend to the deck framing, hatchways and machinery. This is contentious as no deck framing has survived from Contarina I and the I am likely to fall off the perch before I get answers from the Black Sea!! Anyhoo, the next question is whether to fully plank or partially plank the deck or not at all. Decision, decisions! Btw, thanks for the likes and general support for what is a fairly exotic subject cheers Dick
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