themadchemist

I seen that on builds/kits myself Aaron, chains in the way of gun ports and have ofter wondered about the conflict of engineering. Its hard to see in the pic what Eric did. Did he shorten the chains over the ports, I typically see them angled away, which sometimes would cross the path of opening the port doors.

Hum, I thought the thick was the gel. Ive seen some builders use it to simulate rivets on wrought iron hinges. Ive only seen 3 types of CA, (thin, med and thick) plus the accelerator. oh and of course debonder, walking around with a plank stuck to you isnt fun.

Dont ask me on the channels and shrouds, thats why I picked the Swift as my first, it has very simple rigging. Although the heighten transom is going to force me to re-fit the aft boom higher now.

On Bedfords comment on the plane, (just FYI for you or others following along) I haven't used the razor blade version but harbour freight has a small wood and brass 3 plane set for $9.99. I've used the heck out of the block plane. The bullnose and the scraper planes I haven't used yet though. I prefer a hand scraper. Of course the blade needs a good sharpening but I used my little HF block plane for tapering and beveling planking. even used the curls to weave the basket for the canoe.

Congrats on your next build decision!  She's a great kit.

I will say one last thing and then shut up (for now)

adding the wheel means eliminating the deckhouse which leaves a hole in my deck. I really like the companionway on the Syrene (Chucks design) compared to the open ladderway on the museum piece. How many ideas can I borrow before owing Chuck royalties for copyright infringement.

As far as Chucks designs go.

I'm still blaming him and his design of the Pinnace for causing me to purchase it (its just so dang regal)

....or maybe rather then blame I should OPP's and say I accidentially ordered it like Robbyn, Congrats Robbyn on the decision, so let me guess your finger slipped on the order button  .

Either way I have to have an excuse and a bad one is better then saying " I was weak and could not resist the pretty colors and shiny bits"

The real reason for the love of MS kits, IMHO, is that the MS kits have so much better instructions and design then what I've seen in lets say the AL kits, which is the limit of my experience (besides Midwest, which I also love). One of the reasons for my Swift bashing is its 4 1/2 pages of written instructions, which leave lots to the imagination, at least for me. I like being able to go on ME and get the practicum for MS builds, I snagged the Syren part on the wheel to help guide the Swift retro-fit. Its nice to see the instructions before buying the kit.

I'm kinda with Augie on the pink, seeing's I wear bib overalls nearly everywhere. The only pink I have is Pink Floyd, but that red on the Pinnace was definitely a selling point. Although Indigo is my favorite color, hum.....

Hum I seem to have restarted a long ago heated discussion. I to see many differences between the Syren Tim posted (Thanks Tim) and Chucks design. It matters not to me, all I'm interested in is bashing the Swift kit and adding a wheel. There's just something about having a wheel and since its a custom, what the hey. Plus I have no cannons on the stern I was actually thinking hammock and cooler

Sjors is right in saying, "But there is a kind of chemistry between all of us."

That's why I love this place. If I hadn't lost my place reading this log and decided to start over so many times, I might not have gotten the wheel idea in the first place. The banter is what makes it a hobby, and if a hobby isn't fun, why bother... and nothing makes having fun better then friends that know how to not take each other too seriously.

A smart person once told me: It's important to work hard and play hard, intelligence is found in knowing when to do each. I have found sometimes, when lucky, working and playing coincide together as they do at MSW.

Thats twice now you've mentioned Discetion capturing Syren if I recall correctly... do I smell a next build possiblity...

Another reason to disable rope during battle would be so the powder monkeys were'nt jump over or crawling under ropes in the heat of battle.

just a thought.

Possibly the wheel was disconnected in battle and the tiller was manned, getting the line out of the way would be and issue though. They didn't use carabiner clips back then of any type did they. Ive seen some pretty amazing locks of that period so you'd think they could rig a quick disconnect to the tiller ropes.

Thats what I thought, thanks Augie.

One can engineer a model to pieces are far as I see it. I'm more into will it work and does it look ok. and I have no cannons to worry about. I'm arming the Swift with potato guns, fired using hair spray. Hey hasn't that been discussed? Believe me its explosive, I did potato gun experiment in Physic Lab. The bigger gun would cover a football field distance with a 2 seconds of Final Net...

I started with CA but have grown to prefer PVA. I find CA works when shaping can't (like in the compound curvature of my swift deck) and clamping isnt an option. I'm sure they both have there place, but I prefer PVA when possible though.

with the extra frames flat on the outer wall there should not be to much problem. if so a quick bevel would eliminate that problem. That deck has one heck of a curvature.

Good idea on the corner bracing for the deckhouses. I had a bear of a time getting them square. The newer version of the kit is notched. Nice improv.

I also found a partial block between bulkheads 1 and 2 very beneficial along the keel line. It really helped gluing down that garboard strake.

Looking Good, so are you going with a Dire Straits theme?

Hey wait - I hope I'm not ruining the fun by talking ships.

...lets see did I ever tell you about the time on the kill floor when the bull got out .....  even more graphic then Andy's well worded Honey truck description... and I never new Canda has 2 groundhogs to the US's 1. Wow, my new factoid of the day.

That what I was thinking. A taller rudder shaft or an upsweep on the tiller and blocking higher on the wales would move the lines over the cannon recoil.

Wow and I thought Analytical chemists were sticklers for data collection. Sadly if think about it is time consumed I'd have to count most waking hours. Did that awesome shop build time count?

I really like the deadeye diagram you posted Kevin, nice detail which is hard to see in many pictures. One question thats hard to see in that diagram. Is the intial line that is lashed to the channel (through the eyebolt) tied off like the one wrapped to hold tension (serving I believe its called)?

Here's to Sailing on the Steel Breeze  Cheers

So are the ends tied to eye bolts by or on the rear wale block? (its hard to see that detail in the pic) 

And I also agree on the blocks at floor to make getting over them easy or they may have went under by raising the tilller above the cannons, but either way I don't see how cannon recoil isn't taking out the lines running to the tiller unless by moving them up.

I'm already going to have to redesign the boom system on the Swift as heightening the transom will cause aft boom clearence problems. Oh when we try to modify and redesign....  but I'm still having fun

So does the wheel work, it looks as though it should if it isnt glued in place?

Yea I saw those in post #16, what I'm interested in is how the rigging is set up. It looks like its blocked to the inner wales but it looks like there are 2 lines on one side running to the tiller. I didnt know if you have any better pictures of the lines and tackle rigging of the wheel to tiller assemble.

WOW, Smoking honey trucks. I finally made it to the end. What a three ring circus side show of misc. antics and high tech infomation. And a ship build to boot. Seems like I've started this log 10 times and can't seem to keep up then restart and get bogged looking at pictures and so finally I opened a separate window and finally caught up.

Nice ship, Augie. I particularly like the rear deck wheel and binnacle setup, I hate to ask but do you have any up close pictures of that region. I'm wanting to retro-fit a wheel on the Swift/DSotM and like the way that is set up. Its amazing you can get any work done at all with all the chatter (or was that a ground hog)..

Being as good as someone else was put into a very good prespective by a musician friend of mine. I was planning to take guitar lessons and I asked Craig "so how long for me to get as good as you" he quickly replied lets see Ive been playing 25 years so I'd say... oh about 25 years....

By the time we catch them, they will be 25 years better then they are now. Although having the Masters of MSW on hand sure make the bumps much less bumpy. So many Mentors, I LOVE THIS PLACE!

Here's to the veteran builders that freely assist us new builders, cheers

Robbyn Said " Either my skill in making them is improving, or my patience has gone beyond the perfectionist stage and just wants to get it done."

I'd tend to agree with this as a new builder. Yes as you do more your skills improve as well as your patience, On the perfectionist stage I have found that its beneficial not to be a perfectionist at certain stages as it can be fixed later with sanding and dressing up. This I feel helps speed things up greatly, not obsessing over every step along the way but just in the parts where they count. Experience teaches which parts to throw together quickly then become the perfectionist on finishing.

My biggets hurdle is my own questioning of "is this right" which seems to slow me down. Sometimes just doing something is better then overthinking it, but that is hard not to do sometimes.

The true test is at the end, do you feel satisfaction and ultimately Do YOU Like It. The only contest is with yourself, and from the pictures it appears your slicing past yourself in this race   (sorry bad pun).

All the problem aside though, you must feel a Great amount of Accomplishment. If you weren't, you'd have given up by now. So few have had such Drama as your build, your stick-to-it-ness is the most Amazing part of this build. Blood Sweat and Tears should be her name as I'm sure you shed all three and she is a War ship after all so you've made it real in more ways then one.

Suceess is ALWAYS sweeter when struggles occur. If your not struggling your not learning.

a wee dram of scotch or a snifter of brandy and a beautiful sunset over water. Paradise!

Has anyone seen this (most likely, since I'm still new) I still can't get over this carving

http://www.contemporarysculptor.com/victory-model.htm

Thanks Russ, I believe I might have learned that from this really Cool builder on MSW that builds Biloxi models

Here's a pic of the reeving from my AL Swift 'prints

Nice job on the beak and gratings. don't you just love trying to clamp those curved parts.