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  1. Hello all, This is my first ever model and my first time posting on this forum. As a bit of background, I am a grad student in my early 20's. I suspect this places me firmly in the minority regarding the demographics of this forum. I consider myself to possess a reasonable engineering/technical background for my age. I have somewhat good access to tools and consumables for the purposes of this build. My interest in ships of this era stems mostly from naval fiction and non-fiction literature. As such I am unfamiliar with some of the terminology involved in shipbuilding. The HMS Fly kit from Victory Models was represented to me as a solid choice for a "confident beginner". I hope to inherit some of the knowledge from the experienced modelers on this forum, and those that have also built this kit before. Here are the box and contents that I received back in August: Photos of the build progression to follow in subsequent posts. -Starlight
  2. Hi all this will be used as a log for my build of the Amati HMS Fly. I have never built a wooden ship and have only built plastic ships for about a year so most of this is very new to me, including the terms—which I will hopefully learn along the way. I will likely move very slowly because I’m nervous to make a mistake, but please offer any and all advice you have. I’ll gladly accept it all. Forgive me in advance for my dumb questions I’m sure I’ll ask. I haven’t don’t much yet, but I started to dry fit the keel and bulkheads. I will hopefully start the beveling process soon. —Tim
  3. Hi all, So I've already worked on this kit model for some time now. I started this kit back in 2020 and have made some really good progress. I have done my first layer of planking for the hull but I will post my progress up to this point so far. A little back story of myself first, I have been modeling since I was 14y, mostly on plastic car and airplane kits, but I have always wanted to build a wooden ship kit but never really had the funds for it. This being my first ship kit I have worked on I am really looking for some guidance and input so please feel free to give your "2 cents" so to speak. So lets start this build log!
  4. Being dissatisfied with the bow framing of frames 2 thru 12, these frames were completely reconstructed using my forecastle template previously submitted in the forum. The results were satisfactory as these photos show. I also prefabricated timber heads which procedure will be posted in a day or two. This exercise set me back almost 2 months. I would like to mention 3 of the frames needed build out at various locations. I laminated 1.5" (s) strips to the frames at these low locations. Results were fine.
  5. Greetings everyone -- Here I am venturing on a new log and a new build. First off, even before posting any photos, I want to mention that the reason I'm building The Fly is that back in August of 2011 (this was obviously in the Edenic days of MSW 1.0), I noticed an announcement that a kit had been donated to MSW and was available to anyone willing to make a reasonable donation. The requested donation was significantly less than the market price of the kit. And, well, I'm the person who made the donation and got the kit. So here's yet another reason MSW has supported Ship Modelling! To the build. First photo, The Box: This makes it official that I am modelling The Fly 1776. (Note the tidiness of my workspace.) As I took out all the pieces, I thought they looked pretty doggone good. I've been looking at the different sheets of drawings (Tavole? Excuse my Italian if that isn't the correct plural of Tavola). They seem pretty clear, though I began to wonder about certain details that I wanted to see. Ok, now I'm getting started: This is the plywood sheet of Bulkheads that I spent last evening cutting and snapping out. As I was doing so, two questions came to mind. The first has to do with the Captain's Cabin -- and this question arose largely from reading the logs of other builders of The Fly and Pegasus -- If I did want to have an actual cabin (and I do), and not just an external depiction of one, then I would have to do some refashioning of those aft-most bulkheads. Something to think about there, and maybe now's the time? Second question: Here you can see The Fly's stem piece alongside a prototype of sorts that I made for my previous build, The Rattlesnake. The stem for The Fly is walnut, and fits into the keel with all the ease of a work of nature. But it's a single piece. The stem I made for the Rattlesnake consists of multiple pieces of boxwood jointed together with scarphs, which strikes me as being more historically accurate. Now, I am thinking, thinking (and maybe too much) that at least some planking with boxwood would look nice. On the other hand, I have admired the coppered bottoms of several other builds, and if I went that route the scarphing joints would be covered. Since I don't have the actual plans of The Fly or any Swan Class Sloop, deciding how to mark and cut the pieces for the stem would entail a good bit of guess work. And guess work contradicts "historical accuracy." One more factor in this decision: I looked over Greg Herbert's account of building the stem, and saw that he used a mill. Well, my work bench is complete, and it's time to mount my mill. Here's where my decision stands at the moment: I have the boxwood stock, so I think I'll do some configuring, cutting, and gluing, and see how it looks. If it's a bust, I can always use the kit supplied piece. Cheers, for now, and please feel free to comment, make suggestions, warnings, etc. Martin
  6. Hello, and welcome to my second topic! This one will be a proper log, as I am still pretty early in the build. Another HMS Fly by Amati/Euromodels, which I must say is a brilliant kit and a pleasure to build! So far, I've painted the hull and made a start with the decorations and stern. I went for a fully-painted hull, so I kind of blasted through the planking without spending too much time on the second planking. I think there is very little chance any parts of the hull were left in natural wood, and I prefer realism, so I went for a full pain-job. Pleased with the strakes and main whale, they came out pretty symmetric. Still to add a waterline and paint the bottoms white, but the paint kit came with a 'whitewash' that is very watery (actually more like a wash than a paint), so I don't have white to use and the nearest source of any paint is a 140 mile roundtrip for me 😂, so it will have to wait. The box and some materials and tools I was missing. Pretty exciting moment, when you open a box, isn't it? Frames on the keel, looking good. Started with fairing the frames to match the hull curvature. I did not add any fillers; I prefer taking more time to bend the planks to the right curve before I put them on, so they don't need too much support underneath. So that the final thickness on the skeg is not much more than the keel, I had to file off a lot of MDF in that area. My workshop. I am lucky enough to have the man-cave I always wanted as a kid 😂
  7. Working on this model for about a year. Made many mistakes but still plugging along. Admiralty workshops that I have attended in the past have helped a lot. The Sea Watch books covering the construction of this model are indispensable. Bow Framing 2 Sep 2020.pdf Bow Framing Sep 2020.pdf Stern Framing Sep 2020.pdf Swan Typical Frame Assy.pdf
  8. I have just purchased victory models HMS Fly, I think I may be the first to do a build log for this model. While I am waiting for it to arrive I will be constructing a build board and sorting out my work area. Brian
  9. Hi. I started the relations of the model HMS fly. I try to make caulking with the black cotton thread. Two first rows of the planks are bad, but on this will be deck and it will not be seen. http://www.koga.net.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=47195&p=84654#p84654
  10. I was shocked when I saw this set of drawings for the first time. He was so gorgeous and had so many beautiful paintings. I watched for a long time and slowly appreciated them, trying to understand the craftsman's state from my current perspective The ribs of British wooden sailboat are very complex. When making HMS enterprise, the ribs are simplified. There are two advantages: 1. The difficulty of making is reduced, the production is convenient, 2. The cost is reduced But for HMS fly, I want to show its original structure as much as I can, which is a big challenge for me, but I like to challenge Here's the scale, which can be adjusted to any scale
  11. Well friends here is my HMS Fly wooden build log. As I started some 20 days ago and didn’t thought that I will make the log. Looking for the help on line I come to MSW and us it as the guide line for my build. For those who don’t know me I’m building this model while serving on board the ship during my contract. I was thinking it will be a good time killer. Tools are not an issue but except the material in the kit no other resources available till next time when return to ship so I have to be very precise not overspending. Only material I brought with me is blocks of balsa wood. I chose this model as it was highly rated among modellers and drawing are quite precise and money wise it is not so expensive. So far I was able to complete basic skeleton of the ship , as well as planked decks , now I moving to planking for which i think it will be a quite challenge. Brought couple of books on the topic which was quite helpful but majority of things I pick up from various modellers at the MSW. I would much appreciate your comments and suggestion, as this whole project will be a quite interesting and adventures
  12. So I'm back from a couple of weeks in the sun, and ready to tackle a new project after my great experience with the Amati Heritage 46. There have been a number of really great logs done on this ship, which are a great reference. What I can perhaps add to the party is some comments as I go on differences I encounter with this kit vs. my experience with the Revenge, which is the newest ship in the Amati Victory Models line -- the H.M.S. Fly is an earlier kit. I'll begin with the obligatory "what's in the box" pictures. In addition to the usual wood and laser cut and other parts, there is an instruction book, assembly pictures, and a set of large plans. What I notice right away is that the instruction book is not as richly illustrated (and may not be as detailed) as the one that came with the Revenge was. By the way, if you are looking very closely at the first pic, you might see a brass pedestal package. Those did NOT come with the ship -- I ordered them separately and just put them in the kit box to avoid losing them. I also had to order a base separately. The first pic is the upgrade kit, which contains more brass fittings, some flags, a lifeboat kit, and who knows what else. We'll see. Time to dig in. Regards, David
  13. I never posted a build log of this model on this forum, but as it may help future builders, I'm posting some images. It was my first kit build an am now working on the Wasa.
  14. I have previously posted this on Finescale forums but I've decided to also post my log here i hope everyone enjoys! -Jamie
  15. Greetings to all. My name is Tomek. For some time I have been working on my next card sail ship the British cutter HMS "Fly". I build my models only from paper and cardboard without painting (of course masts and rigging are made of wood and thread). I will honestly admit that "Fly" is my 20 cardboard model of a sailing ship so it looks much better than my first models from 15 years ago. The "step by step" how I design and build card sailing ships... 1. Frames made of 1mm card. The model is really small (about 16 cm long) 2. The first layer to strengthen and stabilize the hull 3. The second layer made of 0,5 mm card. The glue is applied only in places where the edges of the frame are located . Thanks to this the hull gets soft curves without visible "cow's ribs" ... 4. Attaching the third final layer on a well-prepared hull is a pleasure. 5. The deck equipment and artillery 6. The current stage - the mast and the bowsprit with standing rigging Regards Tomek
  16. Hi All For anyone that wants to join me and more importantly HELP me, welcome aboard. This is only my second build. My first build was a Billing Norden, so this is a big step up in the challenge stakes. I did enjoy building my Norden and I was very pleased with the finished model. However I built it to look exactly like the picture on the box , which is why I bought it, without doing much research. This build will be different and I fully intend researching prior to progressing too far and I would also like to do some scratch building here and there. I've read some of the other Fly logs here which have given me some ideas (thanks to them). The reason I chose the Fly is because I just love the look of it, and I wanted a real challenge. The HMS Fly kit and the upgrade kit arrived last week and 10 minutes later I was into the box. There is obviously lots of stuff in the box but here is just some of it as I didn’t take many pictures. I was pleasantly surprised when I rummaged through the instructions and drawing sheets, which give far more information than my Billing kit did, and seem to be made of good quality paper, time will tell. Hang what’s this on the box? !!! Really… First thing I wanted to do was check the contents… Checking done and there are a few items on the parts list that are missing and also not referenced on the drawing sheets or instructions: Item 3a - Deck support frame - Brian (probablynot) kindly informed me his kit also has this item missing and thinks it's now redundant and might get in the way of other items fitted later. I guessed it went between 2a and 4a here… Items 271 and 272 Quarter figure castings (left & right) - Not sure yet if these are missing or redundant, can anyone shed any light on these please? Otherwise everything looks in order. Next I checked the rigging twine and marked up for later. Let’s get started… I pencilled the part numbers on the laser cut bulkhead and keel parts and then carefully cut these out of their respective sheets. I then assembled these dry and everything fits really well. I should point out that these parts are made from 5mm laser cut MDF not ply as the parts list says, but from what I've read on other Fly builds I think this is the norm now. And this is where I’m at. I feel I need to read some of the logs here some more and do more research before I get the glue out. I’ve ordered the first two Seawatch FFM books as it appears that a number of the Fly/Pegasus builders here rate them highly. I’m also looking on the National Maritime Museum website and trying to find the original Fly drawings but I’m struggling to find them. If anyone has had more luck than me, a few pointers would be greatly appreciated? Also anyone who has obtained copies, were they any help? What is the quality and size?
  17. I've got the kit. And the upgrade kit. Here they are: It might be a few days before I actually start pulling bits out of the box with a serious intention of starting work. I still have some work to do on my Silhouet build. Also, my workshop is still rather less accessible than I'd like it to be. I'm hoping that will change pretty soon though. I'm intrigued by the 'Pegasus-versus-Fly' thing. I had a look through MSW's entire list of kit-build logs. Of course it only covers 4 years (since the disastrous Crash of 2013), so I only had to scan through 75 pages. But I found eight build logs for HMS Fly, and sixteen for HMS Pegasus. Bearing in mind the similarity between the two ships (and the two kits) I wonder why there has been such a strong preference for the Pegasus? They're both Swan class ships. The Pegasus kit costs a lot more than the Fly kit plus the upgrade. Both kits have their good points. Both have their problems. Maybe it's the fact that the Pegasus kit includes copper-bottoming? But to be honest the coppering doesn't appeal to me much. I like natural wood. Not sure (at this early stage) whether I'll want to paint the hull as in the picture on the box, or varnish it. Of the eight HMS Fly build logs that I found, two (by DiKri and CCoyle) were pictures-only, re-created back in 2013 from build logs lost when MSW-1 crashed. Three (by Padeen, Brian100 and pnevrin) were abandoned in very short time. Another, by Aliluke, was discontinued in Aug 2016 after he'd put in about three years' work. The other two - by MartinW and dfell - are still current. You can bet your life I'll be plundering them for help and advice once I get started. Oh, and I expect I'll also be looking at the current Pegasus build logs too! Give me a day or two, and I'll open the box(es) and post pictures of what they contain. At this stage, and after a very quick look, I have to say I'm not impressed by the quality of the wood strips. I predict a fair bit of substitution and scratch-building once I get going...
  18. The Swan Class Sloop and I have as some of you know a longer history. Two years ago I started my build log for the build in 1/48. A few month later I had to stop the build because I got some problems with my eyes. At the beginning of this year I started again. I decided to change the scale of my build to 1/32. I hope that some of you are intersted in my build and like to follow my log. So let's start again
  19. Hi Been away from the modelling table for many months but now have the time and space to get going. A common subject here - HMS Fly by Amati. I launched this log on MSW 1 as many months ago with the start point being the binnacle. Odd place to start? I just wanted to get my head around the scale of the kit having come from 1:48 on the Armed Virginia Sloop model. Fly is much smaller. I'll probably paint the little chimney black but that's a detail. I have also invested in the HMS Pegasus photo etched fittings to redo the quarter badges in the style of Andy. The Fly kit quarter badges are cast metal and I don't like them. I also like Andy's interpretation - my challenge is that I don't have the laser cut plywood pieces in the Fly kit but I've also started on them too using styrene sheets to replicate the laser cut parts from the Pegasus kit. When the badges are finished I'll get going on the real deal. Weird ways around actually building a model ship but I'm using them to sharpen my eye and get myself back in the habit of modelling. I will not avoid the seriously hard stuff although it intimidates me. Plans for my Fly: - Make it as fantastic as all the other Fly/Pegasus builds on MSW. End of plans. Starting this log is my best way of encouraging myself to keep going. Here is the binnacle - my odd way of beginning. Cheers Alistair
  20. Hello, In the continuing search for my next project I have been looking at two similar offerings in the Amati Victory class of kits: HMS Pegasus and HMS Fly. The designer, Chris Watton, has received fine reviews, I'm told. On the surface, the two models appear to be very alike. Would those of you who have info agree? There are only superficial differences that I can see in the website pictures of these two ships. Are there material, or major, differences in the builds? How extensive are the instructions? Are the plans complete, well organized and clearly drawn? I've recently completed USS Constitution with which I'm very happy and proud. Also, a Mayflower done in mahogany that looks great, according to biased grandchildren, and a scratch-built Viking Drakkar using Amati plans (they were OK only) that's going to an office in Northern Virginia. Bottom line is, I believe either model would be very doable. Finally, I've noted that Bob Hunt has a practicum on the Pegasus/Fly. I've done a few of his practicums in the past. Any remarks about this practicum? Many thanks to all who may offer ideas, impressions, opinions, assistance of any kind. Chris Miller
  21. Hello folks, google's cache still remembers my original HMS Fly log, so this is what I could scrape from it: After HMS Race Horse by Sergal I decided to get a bit more serious and build HMS Fly using the wonderful kit by Chris Watton. What I miss about kit presentations in general are detailed photos of their various parts, so I decided to make them.
  22. Hello all, So I've been following the other Fly builders for a while now (Blue Ensign, Spyglass, Landlubber Mike, Vitus, et al) and thought it was time to join the party. A bit daunting since everyone's Fly look so accomplished, especially for the scale. I picked up this kit a while back but moving house and switching careers made me shelf it for over a year after I had done the first planking and part of the main deck planking. This is where I am now: Started second planking and pretty much completed the exterior bulwarks and still lining the inside. I'm trying to pick each plank (outside planking) as carefully as possible to not get too much variation as I want to stain them a little darker and not paint as much. Not planning on coppering but have seen a few that look very good with the ageing applied. Purchased Chuck Passaro's brass 6-pounders and trucks (37mm version which may or may not be out of scale but I think they look the part). Really enjoying this kit. So far everything fits like a glove, good quality timber and a reasonably sized ship to work on. I've previously built the Lady Nelson by Amati (lost build log in the big MSW purge) and a shelved Montanes project that I took to finished hull minus stern and bow bits. It still looks very nice for now and I can't rig her in our house anyway. Looking forward to any comments, suggestions, criticism or ideas from this amazing community! - Per
  23. OK, I'm going to try and recreate parts of my build log for HMS Fly. I have been working on this model for so long that it has now gone through the deaths of two sites - once at the old Dry Dock Models, and once during the Great Crash of 2013. First a little back story. I bought this kit waaaaay back in 2006 - it was one of the very first production kits off the line. It should be done by now, and if it were anyone else but me, it probably would be. But that's not the way I build. My modeling urges come in intermittent fits and spurts - periods of great progress followed by usually long spells of inactivity, at least on the wood front. I also build card ships and 1/33 scale card aircraft, so sometimes when you see Fly come to a halt, it means I have some other project on the front burner. During the ensuing years, many fine models of Fly and her sister, Pegasus, have been completed here at MSW, so I will not go back to the very beginning and show all the basic framing and planking, etc. Instead, I will highlight some of the bashing I did to the basic kit, mostly to give other builders some hints about what can be done with it. I'm not actually working on Fly at the moment, so don't expect updates in the very near future. Mostly I'm doing this to create a placeholder of sorts. So, on we go!
  24. Here is the build log of my second model ship. This build was started in winter 2011 during the sail-making of Le Camaret... and may take a few years till completion as my building time is quite reduced for the moment. The first part of the build log (until August 2012) was done on the old MSW: I recreate it here more or less as it was then, hopefully with some improvements, putting the date of the original posts as I go along. 18/03/2012 I have been talking of a build log coming soon for months now but here it is at last. Welcome to my second build and first attempt at a Man-of-War from the late 18th century! My motivation for this built is that I love ships from this period more than any others and it was the desire to have such a ship at home rather than in the museums that brought me to model ship building two years ago. As I particularly like the lines of small ships like cutters, sloops and frigates compared to ships of the line (and as it is still hard to find a three-decker at 1:64 scale...), I decided for HMS Fly. I hesitated a while with HMS Pegasus but my local modelling shop had only HMS Fly available and I did not want to copper the hull. This will be a fully rigged model with sails hopefully: they are not included with the kit but I think that with the help of David Antscherl's 4th volume on the Sawn class it will be feasible... and that's not for the near future anyway! There are already many kits and scratch build logs about the Swan class sloops here so I will have plenty of information to help me on this particular build. I also have the four volumes of the Swan class books by David Antscherl and Greg Herbert which may come in handy. So, now for the kit itself: the box was heavy! There are about ten A1 sheets of plans at 1:64 (half of which are about the rigging: good point!), an instruction booklet with a list of parts and some additional lower scale plans to explain planking and deck fittings in more details. Everything is written both in English and in Italian. Most wood parts are made from very clean laser cut plywood or walnut sheets. There is lime and walnut for the hull planking, tanganyka for the deck planking and ramin for the masts. The rest of the kit is made of brass photo-etched parts, copper gun barrels and carriages, castings for the decorations and an impressive number of wooden blocks of different size. (Well, I guess three masts are three masts, whatever the number of guns!) The thread for the rigging is also provided in different size and colour. I look forward to the rigging: this will be fun!
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