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  1. Hello again MSW, After finishing my first build (Constellation) by AL I finally decided on a second adventure. I finally mustered up the courage and decided to do a scratch build of the HMS Leopard. I had come across the plans and for a first scratch build it seemed to have all the ingredients to test my abilities. There seemed to be plenty of information available to guide me along with my MSW friends so I went for it. Naturally, I have the 50 Gun Ship book by Rif Winfield. I took the 1:96 plans that came with it and enlarged them up to 1:85 scale. The 1:96 was just a bit small to me. I scaled it up to 1:72 and it was bigger than I have room for so I split the difference and ended up at 1:85... same as my Constellation. Working in an engineering office, I have access to the CAD program Solidworks so I transferred the 1:96 measurements from the drawing to the CAD and just played with the scale until I liked it. I have been researching, planning and drawing frames for the past month so there is not much to show at this point. Scratch building is forcing me to learn tons of information on ship building practices which is not a bad thing. My plan is to build the model with both frames and bulkheads. The reason is I want to cut away the center area of the hull on one side to show some of the Orlop and Lower deck arrangements. I figured I have the plans/layouts so why not use them. I will use frames in the area of the cutout and bulkheads on both ends since these areas will not be seen inside. Below is a sketch of my thoughts. The area inside the heavy outline will be the cut away area. Here also are some pics of the frame work I am playing with now. Band saws and belt sanders will be busy! Next is to design the fore and aft bulkheads and the deadwood layout. If I do this right, the summer when the shipyard is open as much, will be spent designing and roughing out the skeleton. Then when the New England winter sets in I will have plenty to keep me busy. Hope you enjoy the build, Tom
  2. “Huzza! Her sides are made of iron!” (Unknown sailor, USS Constitution, 19 August 1812, battle with HMS Guerriere) "Building a new Navy for the 'new' United States" The American Revolution ended in 1783, and the new United States sent its merchant fleet afar to trade in spices, fish, leather, etc. to rebuild its economy. However. The last Continental Navy warship was effectively sold in 1785, and US merchant vessels thereafter sailed unprotected. This lack of protection soon became a problem, especially when sailing off of North Africa in the 1790's, and finally Congress authorized a new navy, in 1794, to protect the fleet. Between 1797 and 1800, 6 frigates were launched: United States, Constellation, Constitution, Chesapeake, Congress, and President. USS Constitution, launched 21 October 1797, is the sole survivor (USS Constellation, in Baltimore Harbor, is the 1854 warship of the same name). Joshua Humphreys designed theses frigates to be the strongest, fastest, and most heavily armed warships of the era. Constitution’s hull is 3-layers of wood: exterior & interior oak planking and dense live oak framing (ribs) spaced 'close together' as the middle layer. At the waterline, the ship is over 22” thick... and this thick, strong and dense hull makes up her “iron” sides. When hit with enemy fire, Constitution’s hull either repelled the cannon shot's, and/or effectively absorbed them, due to her massive hull, thus helping to prevent serious damage to the ship while also minimizing casualties to her crew. Between 1798 and 1854, Constitution was victorious in 33 engagements and a great deal of her fame rests in her 3 stunning victories over Royal Navy vessels in the War of 1812. The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship on the U.S. Navy roster. Still seaworthy and served by Navel officers and crew to this very day! _______________________________________________________ ... and so the build begins! I've acquired a copy of Joshua Humphreys original hull design from 1794, courtesy of the 'Naval History & Heritage Command Detachment, Boston'. This will make for a proper start to this historic project. My goal is to reconstruct an accurate depiction, in scale, of the USS Constitution as she was originally designed, by Joshua Humphreys in 1794. This build will begin with my restoration and clarification of the original hull drawing, via Autocad, as there are portions of this original drawing that have obviously lost a bit of needful detail via the ages. Mid-ship frame details, via the body plan, will likely be difficult to accurately recreate, therefore, I'll likely make those frames a bit proud both internally 'and' externally, for safety... and simply fair them down to their proper forms once it's time to fair the hull's frames to shape. I've not yet decided as to the true scale that I'll actually be building her to, however. I'm currently 'thinking' somewhere around 1/75'ish. Larger, maybe, but definitely no smaller than 1/75. I'll also likely build a rather lengthy mid-section 'prototype' prior to going for the full length build. I can see a lot of potential 'difficulties' to be encountered in such a complex build. A prototype, whether I finish it, or not, should prove to be a good 'test-bed' from which I can figure out just how in the h*ll I'm going to pull this off to personally 'acceptable' standards. It's going to be very interesting and time consuming, for sure! This is what I'm starting with. It's Humphreys original draft of the constitution's original hull as designed in 1794. Sorry for all of the edits to this post. I was trying to post the hull drawing that I received, in .pdf format, from the Naval History & Heritage Command, but no joy. You'll have to settle for this much smaller 'jpeg', instead of the actual 5' foot long drawing...
  3. Hi, I start the construction of a new model, it is the English frigate Euryalus, the scale that I adopt is 1:56, the usual 74 cannons🙂
  4. here are some photos of the naiad in construction...
  5. Well, little did I think a year ago when I started my first wooden ship build that I'd ever be posting in the scratchbuild forum, but here I am. I've been contemplating a scratch build since mid-summer 2013, from looking at all the wonderful scratch builds on MSW and from the amount of scratching I've been doing on my Conny build. I wanted to try a scratch build. I think I have the woodworking skill as I've been building in wood my entire life. The thing I still lack is detailed shipwright knowledge, but I'm learning... The one thing I know for a fact though is a fully detailed POF build is not for me, I don't have the knowledge or time to do so. I bought several books that everyone seems to quote as bibles for wooden shipbuilding, including Goodwin’s "Constructing an English Man of War". Next was selecting a subject to model. I first thought of the HMS Surprise, and bought “The Frigate Surprise” book to do some research. I also thought of buying the Latina 1/48 Surprise kit and scratch-bashing that. I then thought about the Essex. I had been in contact with Sam Cassano about his MSW kit earlier and decided to ask his advice. Not only did he offer any help he could, but also sent me a set of his drawings which I could use as a basis for my build drawings. Sam’s kit is of Essex in her 1799 launch configuration, my attempt at Essex will be as close as I can come to her 1814 configuration at Valparaiso. I bought Portia's AOTS Essex book and "The Frigate Essex Papers" which contain William Baker's wonderful drawings and Josiah Fox's detailed measurements of her from her 1807-09 rebuild. I'd like to thank Sam Cassano and Steve, (Frolick on MSW) for giving me invaluable help on acquiring info and dwgs. My build will be a POB, but with a different twist. One side will be fully planked, but the other side will show her frames from somewhere near the bow to near the stern, and from a point several strakes above the garboard (I haven't determined where yet). The reason I chose this method was to show her frames, but to not have to build all the intricate framing of the keel, floor timbers, deadwood, all cant frames (both bow and stern) etc. There also won’t be any internal details below the gundeck. This may seem to be cheating, or an "easy way out" solution, and I guess it is but for me it's the way to go. I'm achieving this by placing plywood bulkheads at each frame location, but on the frame side I will cut off the ply and glue on hardwood frames, probably Pear. This should give the look of individual frames and their futtocks from the outside, which is what I'm going for. I chose 1/48 as the scale as I wanted to build in a larger scale. It will be a big one, maybe bigger than I want, but 1/48 is what I’m going with. I hope to fully mast and rig her, if I have the years and patience to do so…. I'm drawing my own build drawings, still a lot of work to do, and will post some images when they are far enough along. I am cutting the center bulkhead and bulkhead blanks right now and will post pics when they're done. It’s as much a proof of concept as it is a chance to get started! Some may wonder how I can start building without completed drawings, but I pretty much have the design finished in my mind, I just have to create the dwgs so I can build her. This may be a bumpy ride but we'll see where this goes! Here is William Baker's dwg from 1808 or 9. This is the overall configuration I'm going for. Here is Baker's redrawn lines based on William Hackett's original draughts. This is the dwg I used as the basis of my layout, along with Sam Casanno's dwgs. I used Portia's framing dwg as a guide only. (These are a gif and jpg, resized down from original size so I don't think I'm violating any copyrights by posting them) Edit 4/15. I decided to add a pic here at the very beginning of this log so future readers will know what the heck I'm doing. Here are Essex's frames before I cut them down and sanded them. I now call this method either the "alligator skin" or "Godzilla" method. Looking at the frames before they're trimmed will show you why. Reading through the beginning of the log where I'm just making frames and bulkheads I'm sure had a lot of you stumped as the what the heck I was making. Hopefully this :before and after (frames) will give an idea. Here's the hull after initial fairing. Better, huh? Edit 12/31/15 Here's after cant frames have been added and more fairing done.
  6. I started this build in early March of 2012, and like most model shipwrights here, my build log was sacrificed to the computer gods. I do not have a copy of all the associated posts of the old log, but I do have photos. I am using the book and plans from Swan Books' Frigates of the Royal Navy series: HMS Euryalus (36) 1803 by Allan Yedlinsky with the plans by Wayne Kempson, and my wood is from Jeff Hayes at the Hobby Mill. Below is my first and last picture from my old log. More to follow. Regards, Clay
  7. About the model: As they say, "No time like the present" and as I'm stalled on Licorne by several non-hobby issues, I'm starting this one to take my mind off things. I have the plans scaled down from 1:48 to 1:64 I'll be drafting plans for building the ship as the ANCRE monograph doesn't have drawings pre-made for such things a frames, keel, etc. As the title states it will be a POB build as there's next to nothing in the plans of the below deck area. I'm making decisions at this point will working on lofting the bulkheads, keel, etc. on the types of woods. Most likely I'll Swiss pear for the external planking, some ebony or ebony stained wood for the wales and other bits and pieces, boxwood for the keel, stern post, and bowspit. Not sure yet about the decks. As for the bulkheads and some internal bits that won't be seen, I'm deciding whether to use Baltic Birch plywood or Yellow Ceder. It may come down to cost on this though. I'll be using the DeathStar for at least marking the wood to be cut for the bulkheads but not ruling out cutting as that will depend on the wood selection. I selected this ship as "next" as it was the more famous of the ships involved in the battle that brought the French into American Revolutionary War. Here's the history of Belle Poule and some pictures of the plans and the monograph. La Belle Poule is a 12-pounder class of frigate with 26 12-pdrs on the gun deck and 10 6-pdrs on the forecastle and sterncastle. History: La Belle Poule was built in the shipyard at Bordeaux starting in 1765 and launched in 1767. \ From 1772 to 1776, she was on hydrographic missions around India. She returned to Brest in 1776 . At the time, France wasn't engaged in War, but there were numerous incidents. April, 1777, Belle Poule was chased by a British ship of the line (unknown which one) and after evading her, returned to Brest. December, 1777, Belle Poule transported Silas Deane back to America along with the news of the French-American Alliance. On 7 January, 1778, she was stopped by two Britich ships of the line which demanded to inspect her and her Captian, Charles de Bernard de Marigny replied: "I am the Belle Poule, frigate of the King of France; I sail from sea and I sail to sea. Vessels of the King, my master, never allow inspections." 17 June, 1778. The famous battle between Belle Poule and Arethusa occurred which was actually celebrated by both countries. It was this battle that brought France into the American Revolutionary War. Note that Licorne was captured by the British. After this battle, she did numerous patrols. 14 July 1780. Belle Poule was overhauled and after a two hour battle with Noncuch (64), she surrendered. Feburary, 1781. Belle Poule was commissioned by the British. She participated in the Battle of Dogger Bank later that year. A footnote is that her Master during this period was William Bligh. November 1782. Belle Poule went to ordinary and also served as a British recieving ship. 1801. She was sold off. Plans, etc. I'm using the following references: Le Belle Poule Monograh by Boudriot and Berti The Art of Ship Modeling by Frolich and lastly, the only build log I could find that actually is showing the process unlike most that just show the finished ship: https://5500.forumactif.org/t3216-la-belle-poule-de-1765-au-1-48-par-guydal Anyway, a bit long winded but I'll be back when I have my cut sheets, plans, etc. ready and start making sawdust.
  8. I finished my first RC scratch built square rigger HMS Harrier a couple of years back and although I'm very happy with the result always considered her something of a practice run for the command that everyone wants - a frigate. Check out Harrier in action on video. With the current pandemic making the full sized sailing dinghy I was hoping to start this year look just that - hopeful - there's no time like the present to start the frigate. She's relatively cheap, being cobbled up from old floor boards and ply with the only realtively expensive bits being servos. She'll be easy to break into storeable stages if the world comes to rights and the financial situation lets me build a real boat, and also a bit of a challenge that should take at least a couple of years. So, which frigate? I love the the Artois class like HMS Diana as per the fine examples built by the likes of Jason and Barbossa on MSW but as a 38 gun vessel it's 146ft on the gun deck and getting quite large for transport at a 1.2m hull in 1/36 scale. Also, while the rest ofthe Anatomy of the Ship book is very detailed, the lines needed to reproduce a hull shape in my copy are not very detailed. The Enterprise class is a bit smaller at 120ft with all the attributes of a frigate and has the advantage of being repesented in some detailed orignal ship plans in Greenwhich's National Martime Museum; There are some very colourful contemporary paintings done by Jospeh Marshall as part of a series of ship models to stoke Geroge III's interest in the navy; He dubbed the ship Enterprize, interchanging the Z with an S as was common at the time but most records of the time and modern scholarship have her as Enterprise. The clincher is a very detailed set of plans from Polish model company Shipyard, which also does smaller scale card models of Enterprise and her sister ship Cleopatra. The Shipyard plans cover everything from hull and deck layouts through fitout including guns, boats, masts and spars in a variety of scales ranging from 24,72, 96,192 etc depending on size. The bit where it falls down are the carvings and decorations, which appear speculative at best and include a lion figurehead more suitable for a ship of the early 1700s. The idea for this build is to try to combine the best of the modern plans for a fairly accurate sailing model, with the contemporary plans and paintings to give the full bling of a Georgian vessel. While it's a little uncertain whether a vessel in service would have carried full freizework and decoration, I've always wanted to try my hand at it and the goal is something that looks like a contemporary ship model that can be sailed. As such, the ship will be one of the class, and generally correct for the period but with some speculation on decoration depending which vessel I end up depicting. GIven the diverse sources it'll be a model of a painting of a ship model, so I think that'll give me a bit of latitude. We'll see how close I get to the goal of a big 1770s Navy Board model you can drop in the lake. A little about the Enterprise class: A sixth rate Designed by John WIlliams in 1770, the first five of this class were ordered for the Falklands Islands emergency. Fox, Syren, Surprise and Enterprise and Acteon were launched from the early 1770s through to 1775. Another 15 vessels followed in 76-78 and another seven in 82-83 with solid quarter deck bulkheads. They saw service during the Revolutionary War, with many Enterprises active on the American station against US privateers, at the relief of Gibralter, in the Mediterranean, Caribbean, including at the battle of the Saintes, around the North Sea and French coasts and even the battle of Cuddalore in the Indian Ocean. They were active ships, with losses to weather and enemy action that reflected this, although some limped through as troop ships or on harbour duty until late in the Napoleonic wars. Length on gundeck: 120ft Breadth: 33ft 9 inches Crew: 200 Initial armament: Upper deck: 24 x 9lbers, Quarter deck: 4x3lbers. By 1780 the quarter deck armament was 4x6lbers plus 4 18lb carronades and another two on the forecastle. Making a start The shipyard plans were scaled up to 1/36 scale and details like framing station lines, fixtures for the ballast keel, ply deadwood, rough places for servos and battery and other details drawn in. The plans have station molds indicated, which were expanded to show the 12mm ply that will be used for framing. Some initial work on the masts is visible below. More on that in the next post. The Enterprise hull is roughly 1m on the deck, slightly bigger than Harrier at 80cm and has a much greater internal volume, which should hopefully make some of the fitout easier, although there are issues around internal access with a quarterdeck as well as the main deck. Rough overall length with bowsprit should be 1.6-1.7m, with the masts standing about that tall from the keel, although they will collapse for transport. It should fit in the family wagon, if not it'll have to go in my camping trailer, although my wife is asking where it'll fit in the garage already containing a car, canoe, kayak, the Harrier, kids' bikes, clothesline and my workbench and tools...
  9. Introduction It’s time to attempt something I’ve been wanting to have a go at for a long time. A frigate of the napoleonic era. Having spent a lot of time looking round, I decided that I had neither the tools, the time, nor the expertise currently to complete a fully-framed scratch build. I was drawn by Chuck Passaro’s HMS Winchelsea, not least because I am sure the instructions when they are released will be utterly brilliant and the builds look beautiful so far, however at the time of writing the prototype is not yet completed. Given these factors, added to the expense and difficulty in sourcing good quality wood in the UK, I came back to model kits. I hope to keep on dabbling in scratch building though, and I have a cross-section of Triton underway for that purpose. I wanted to build a model in 1:64, partly because it would give a good contrast to the boats I already have in the house, which are of the same scale. I looked at Victory Models, however, though there Pegasus and Fly models are very handsome in their own rights, I could not reconcile that they were not quite Frigate enough in my mind to fit the bill. Having built two of Caldercraft’s models in the past (HM Schooner Pickle and HM Cutter Sherbourne), I was keen to come back to the same manufacturer, as I have found their models to be rewarding to build, and to have a level of detail that is manageable, but results in great looking models. Sadly, HMS Surprise, though prototyped, has not been released by Caldercraft so that was not an option, though I am a great fan of the Aubrey / Maturin series by Patrick O’Brian. However, Caldercraft do have another Frigate already in their line-up. HMS Diana. An Artois-class Heavy Frigate of 38 guns. Having seen other builds of sister-ships on ModelShipWorld.com, and since I am married to a Classicist, my interest was piqued by the other boats in the class, and I settled on Ethalion – built in 1797. In part because I didn’t really want a scantily clad woman glued to the front of the boat when I finished it, and Ethalion brings the possibility of a dolphin. Once that was decided, it was time to break out google and a some books, and try and track down firstly, who Ethalion was, and secondly some of the history of this particular HMS Ethalion.
  10. Hi, this is my new project. It's a kind of a sequel, following my HMS Diana. 1)What is to be expected : - Let's begin with what is NOT to be expected. I have the deepest admiration whenever I go through those wonderful buildlogs ( fully framed models, admirality models,...you name it) but I'm afraid these pieces of art are totally beyond my skills. - Why semi-scratch : lots of accessories ( gunnery, belaying pins,....) were already purchased through the available market - Why La Vénus . I like her lines but above all : I like frigates. - Why 1/64 ; I upscaled or downscaled ? the 1/72 plans because I wanted to put her aside my Diana 2)Roadblocks ? Quite easy : a lot of things still need to be figured out. So bear with me Here's the pics of the present status. But photo's are available since the beginning of this project. So the next coming days updates (or flash backs) are to be expected
  11. I am embarking on a new build. I had thought to not start another until I finished Oneida, but progress is going slow on her, and I am not getting any younger! Since Oneida is getting near the rigging stage, perhaps going back and forth between hull work on Euryalus, and rigging on Oneida, will keep my interest up in both. I am building a proper layout board, and this is the extent of my progress to date! It's not finished, and the framing guide is not fastened down yet. It is based on Ed Tosti's Naiad building board, but bigger, as his was for a similar sized ship, but at 1:60 scale. I understand why the smaller scale. When I saw the Euryalus plans which are drawn at 1:48, I was quite surprised at the size. However, I quite like the idea of always building at the same scale, so as my Oneida is 1:48, so also will be my Euryalus. As I mentioned, I am rigging Oneida, but I have no plans to rig Euryalus. I would have no place to put it. I have one issue, as I begin. Volume 1 of Euryalus is now sold out, and out of print at Seawatch books. I have purchased a new Vol. 2, so I have a complete set of the second volume drawings, but I am missing some drawings from Volume 1. I am wondering if anyone out there, who owns Volume 1 would allow me to copy the ones I am missing--I believe the ones I need are #6 Body; Bow Pieces; Rudder; Cross Section, and #13 Beam Patterns; Stern Timbers. Or, if you own Volume 1 (with all the drawings) and do not think you want to keep it..... If the book was still in print I would, of course, purchase it and support the authors, Allan Yedlinsky and Wayne Kempson; and Seawatch books. Allan and Wayne have been very helpful to me in getting off the ground (off the ways?). I just need to get copies of those missing drawings! PM me if you can help. Ron
  12. Having completed HMS Alert, which is now safely in a case, I'm left with a kind of paper emptiness... I have plenty of projects, but I'm so accustomed to having a paper model project in the works that it just didn't seem right to not have one now. So, I've taken on the 28-gun Enterprize-class 6th rate frigate HMS Mercury. Shipyard (Vessel) makes 2 versions of HMS Mercury. One is a 1/72-scale boxed kit with laser-cut parts and all the fittings, brass cannons, resin figurehead, wooden spars, cloth sails, plus paints, brush and rigging line, etc. However, that version is a lot pricier than the simple 1/96-scale paper model where you have to cut everything out yourself. I got the latter from Ages of Sail for around $40. The kit includes pre-printed parts that you have to cut out, plus laser-cut framework that makes hull-construction very quick and accurate. I've actually had this kit for quite a while, probably at least a year or more. I also started it some time ago so I would have a hull that illustrates how these kits go together. I was going to just do a partial start and give it to Ages of Sail as a demo model. But, that never happened. As I got further along on the Alert, I thought about how interesting a larger ship might be. Also, knowing the complexities of a 3-masted square rigger, I thought I might just build this as a kind of admiralty style model. Possibly building a launch ways and adding pole masts for the launching flags. In fact, right now, that's my plan unless I eventually change my mind and decide to rig this model. The kit includes some 15 pages of printed parts, the laser cut framework, several sheets of drawings and templates, including patterns for making sails. Printed parts are included for two different color schemes. The completed, fully rigged model, measures about 26" long. The hull itself is just about 16" long. I put the hull framework together many months ago. It goes together very easily and takes very little time. More recently, I started putting on the first layer, which basically turns the model into a hollow solid hull model. As you can see, I also added the deck. The parquet floor is a separate piece which sits on top of the wood-pattern floor. Lastly, over this past weekend, I wanted a distraction, so I started working on the cabin partitions. I have to say that this is one advantage that these paper models have over their wood counterparts – there is much more internal arrangement provided in these kits. It even includes furniture for the great cabin. So, there you have it. Another paper model begun. As I said earlier, this isn't a priority project, just something I'll tinker with over time. But, like HMS Alert, it may very well get to the point where it takes on a life of its own and demands more of my time to take her to completion. Clare
  13. The Hatton and Hart photographs were/are my primary source for trying to create as much model authenticity as possible. Sometimes I have to assume, which I hate. Example being, on the upper stern deck a partial funnel profile can be seen behind and to the port side of a binnacle. (I may as well jump on this grenade while I'm here. This binnacle appears to be about five and a half feet tall, a foot and a half above the standard four feet. Access to viewing the compass is aided by a two step ladder propped up against it seen in the first of the four H&H photos.. I'm guessing the reason for the extra height is where the compass is above the railing and other metal objects. Please jump in with comments should you have other thoughts) All other photographs from the starboard point of view are and blurred and of no use determining if a starboard funnel is actually there. I chose one to be there due to ship designers seemingly love of and necessity for symmetry.
  14. I begin the construction of two Royal Navy frigates: HMS Enterprise and HMS Siren. These are two frigates of the same type. Both models will be built in the classic Gregorian style using technology and vintage style (using artificial aging technology). The scale for the models is 1:36. These are quite large models with a maximum length of 1200 mm. A huge database of drawings is here: https://prints.rmg.co.uk/collections/ship-plans/products/syren-siren-1773-j6307
  15. Hello all here! I'm glad our World is back! So I start here my build log for HMS Sphynx. In the past life (I mean old MSW...) I have some images added to gallery, so I will post them all here in chronological order with some descriptions. The Sphynx was 20 gun ship designed by J. Williams, and was smallest 6th rate frigate. She was built in 1775 at Portsmouth, Hampshire and broken ap in 1811. The Sphynx-class is also the last class of small frigates with 9 pdr. There are 10 further ships builded: Camilia, Chathan Dyd, 20.4.1776-1809 Daphne, Woolwich Dyd., 21.3.1776-1802 Galatea, Deptford Dyd., 23.3.1776-1783 Ariadne, Chatham Dyd., 27.12.1776-1814 Vestal, Plymonth Dyd., 23.35.1777-1777 Perseus, Randall, Rothehille, 20.3.1776-1805, 1798 convertet to a bomb vessel Unicorn, Randall, Rothehille, 23.3.1776-1787 Ariel, Perry & Co., Blackwall, 7.7.1777-1779 Narcissus Plymonth Dyd., 9.5.1781-1796 For this project I have ordered the original plans from NMM, and I have decided to redraw the plans for model building. For decorative work and also some other details I have ordered the pictures from "Science and Society Picture Library" http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10325356 . For dimensions of all hull details I have used the Establishment lists, and Steels "The Elements of masting and Rigging" for mast, yards and standing rigging. The running rigging and sailing plan also arrive later. The result looks at time thus: http://zope.mein-media.de/meinmedia/plans/index.html In February 2006 the plans were ready, at least so far that I have begun with the building of the model. Parallel and in addition I have done further research, and the plans are further worked out. Now the images of beginning: The main wales are cut according to plan, and glued on. Then waterway, spirketing and part of planking abowe main wales are added. The model was then put keel over, and underwater planking begins. Best regards Alexander
  16. Hello to you model maker friends, I come by this subject to share here the adventure of building the model of the French frigate Belle-Poule of 1765, whose start of construction already dates from 2018. This ship is of undeniable interest for these harmonious forms but also for its historic journey. The plans used come from the monograph of Jean Boudriot, a great French specialist in the old navy, author of many fabulous works on this subject, published by "ANCRE". https://ancre.fr/fr/monographies/17-la-belle-poule-fregate-1765.html This monograph does not give the entire frame, but only the lifting couples, the hull is built conventionally. The realization of the structure of the model is completely personal. But everyone has their own method and this one does not pretend to be a reference. The interest of presenting this work remains the sharing of ideas but also the constructive criticism which often avoids gross errors. Communication tools today provide us with facilities that we could not have suspected a few years ago, so let's take advantage of them. My first job for the Belle Poule was to determine on the shape plan, 2 reference points, common to each couple, which will then be used after drilling and thanks to centering pins, to achieve a perfect symmetry by working by turning over the mini milling machine. To make the shapes of the bow and the stern as precise as possible, I had to plan for filling beds, referring to the water lines on the plan. This is the beginning of this adventure which I will post the following on another message. Thanks for reading, Jacques. Bonjour à vous amis modéliste, Je viens par ce sujet partager ici l’aventure construction du modèle de la frégate française la Belle-Poule de 1765, dont le début de chantier date déjà de l’année 2018. Ce navire présente un intérêt indéniable pour ces formes harmonieuses mais aussi pour son parcours historique. Les plans utilisés sont issus de la monographie de Jean Boudriot, grand spécialiste de la marine ancienne, auteur de nombreux ouvrages fabuleux sur ce sujet, édités chez « ANCRE ». https://ancre.fr/fr/monographies/17-la-belle-poule-fregate-1765.html Cette monographie ne donnant pas l’intégralité de la charpente, mais seulement les couples de levée, la coque est construite classiquement. La réalisation de la structure du modèle est tout à fait personnelle. Mais à chacun sa méthode et celle-ci n’a pas la prétention d’^tre une référence. L’intérêt de présenter ce travail reste le partage d’idées mais aussi la critique constructive qui évite souvent des erreurs grossières. Les outils de communication aujourd’hui, nous apportent des facilités que nous n’aurions pu soupçonner voilà quelques années en arrière alors : profitons-en. Mon premier travail pour la Belle Poule a été de déterminer sur le plan de forme, 2 points de référence, communs à chaque couple, qui serviront ensuite après perçage et grâce à des piges de centrage, à réaliser une symétrie parfaite en travaillant par retournement sur la mini fraiseuse. Pour réaliser les formes de l’étrave et de la poupe de façon la plus précise possible, j’ai dû prévoir des massifs de remplissage en me référant aux lignes d’eau du plan. C’est le début de cette aventure dont je posterai la suite sur un autre message.
  17. Hi Gang, After a hiatus due to my wife and I having twins, she's dusted off and I'm hoping to recommence this build. I've attached some not so great photos from my iphone - the idea here is just to get a log started and motivate me to get back in the shipyard - for at least a few hours per week. This build was started back in November of 2009 using Chucks plans that later were used in the Model Expo kit. The woods used were swiss pear from Hobby Mill for almost exclusively with the exception of boxwood for the decks and a little bit of ebony for the false keel and checkerboard flooring in the great cabin. Im a big fan of Fiebings dyed swiss pear and used this method for all black areas with the exceptions I just mentioned. I used three finishes, pure tung oil for the hull, Watcos Danish Oil for the deck fittings and beams, and diluted sanding sealer for the deck. My goal is to at least get the 6 lb guns rigged and installed along with the ships wheel hopefully by the end of the month so i can begin the headrails this summer if the twins cooperate.... Thats it for now - by the way the photo posts looks a bit different than the old Modelship World - any tips on the best size to upload so they look more standard/fill the screen ? Chris
  18. For my next build I wanted to scratch build something that would mean something to me. I have done the Triton cross section and kits before but these all took from one to two years. For a scratch built frigate I would estimate it would take me around 8 to 10 years. Since that is a considerable portion of anyone’s life I wanted a subject that would stick with me. Not having a preference I started by preparing a short list of requirements A) It would have to be an English Napoleonic frigate. I have always been fascinated by the period (and have re-enacted as a Coldstream Guard at Hougomont on the anniversary of Waterloo and as an officer of the 40eme (part of Lannes’s 5th Corps) on the anniversary of Austerlitz (that was great as the re-enactment was on the site where the 5th Corps had fought and it was snowing) I was admittedly a bit of a Bonapartist on the land war. On the Sea war I am unashamedly a Royal Navy fan. It would have to be of English design and not a capture (see A) C) It would have to be smaller than most late war frigates as firstly size is an issue and secondly the early war was more challenging. The British dominance in the late war was of no interest to me D) It would have to have a story or something of interest for me to look into Now I then started to read around. Early candidates included A) The Shannon, should need no reason really though a personal connection for me is that I have held the sword Broke used in the Chesapeake battle and swished it around. In the end it failed on reasons C, plus it was built of fir which I found strangely unattractive The Guerriere – almost for the same reason as the Shannon but knocked out for reasons A and B plus C C) The Juno – Out of all the British Captains of the war Samuel Hood is one of my heroes. The problem with the Juno was that the Toulon incident was the primary one and that was not quite enough to fulfil D. If I ever do a 64 it will be Hood’s Zealous at the Nile D) The Phoebe – The fightingnest ship of the Napoleonic Wars. If you like ship to ship actions then this is the one. If I ever do a second frigate it will be the Phoebe as it stands my eventually winner trumped it on D So we now come to my winner. I had encountered it earlier in my reading but discarded it on C as its ‘famous’ action was a late war one at the battle of Lissa. I then encountered it again and the more I found out the more I grew interested. Its run of ‘interest’ was quite outstanding First up it was designed by Sir William Rule (the junior surveyor at the time) but had been extensively re-worked by Gambier at the Admiralty to take some more attributes of the Triton. This must have been mortifying for Rule but the resultant ship turned out well. Gardener states The modifications, presumably down to Gambier’s influence, show striking similarities with ideas behind the Triton ordered a month earlier: the extra length gave the ship the greatest length: breadth ratio of any frigate so far designed by the Surveyors, and the raked bow owes something to Triton’s most individual feature. Contrary to accepted wisdom this design-by-committee produced not a camel but a racehorse – in service the Amphion proved fast, weatherly and manoeuvrable, and was particularly good in strong winds. . So it had an interesting origin. I was initially further put off because Goodwin describes it as a fir ship and I have already stated my irrational dislike of fir. Fortunately (along with a mis-captioned Triton as the Amphion in his book) he was wrong and the Amphion was not fur built. Next up the ship had acted briefly as Nelson’s flagship on his way to the Med. I then found it had also transported the Archduke Charles on an abortive trip to Spain. Charles was the Austrians best fighting general so that was in itself an interesting point for me. It was also involved in the treasure ship action where four British frigates intercepted the Spanish treasure fleet under Graham Moore. The Amphion was fighting the Mercedes when she blew up possibly due to fire. So she now could be placed at a pivotal point in the war playing an important part. Moving on she was involved in the chase of the combined fleet to the Caribbean and back though being detached just before Trafalgar. Finally she was Hoste’s flagship at the battle of Lissa of which plenty has been written. All the above gave me plenty of interest but the decider was where she was built. The Amphion matched my pointy A because she was designed to be smaller than most standard frigates because the Admiralty wanted to use shipyards outside of the existing range. I also knew she was built in Essex but just assumed this meant a yard Southend way or on the Thames. When I eventually checked her actual build location (at Mistley) she was actually built on the Stour on the border between Essex and Suffolk very close to Manningtree and Capel. Most of my mother’s family come from (and still live in ) this very region. The possibility of my relatives knowing about her or even working on her were more than any other ship I could think of. The Amphion at Lissa -
  19. hi all I am almost finished with the building plan for the HMDS Perlen , so I decidert to start a buid log for her. all i need to do is the last few frames and the bow filler pieces , and then I be ready to make wood dust.The drawing is made in autocad My plan is to start cutting wood when my 3 week vacation start on april 5 Michael
  20. Hi I’m Adrian Sorolla, I haven’t participated in the forum for a long time I’m building a 34-gun Spanish frigate, 1789, called "Mahonesa", I am building it on a 1/32 scale and for its realization I am following the plans drawn by Fermín Urtizberea. Although its construction is already under way, but since there is still a lot of work ahead, I want to present it now in this fórum. I’ll put an excerpt of photos from the previous construction, so you can get an idea of how it is. Cordially Adrian
  21. This next project of mine is going to be a gift to my son who has been pestering me for a display of my modelling talents. I had 2 considerations in my approach: That the model fit in his house somewhere and that it be interesting to look at. While perusing the various logs on this site, I discovered Alex M's HMS Sphynx, a small frigate (the hull is a little over 100 feet long) and that he sells, through Chuck P., a set of building plans that he had drawn up from the NMM original draughts. At 1:64 the model should come in at around two feet long which took care of the first consideration, and being a frigate with several decks and full rig, my second consideration was met. I've titled this log the Sphynx, but in reality what I really want to model is her sistership, HMS Ariel. We'll see if the NMM can come up with any information on her, but she was quickly captured by the French in the Carribean, so she didn't fly a British flag for long. The French took her back to France and just left her in the harbor. Meanwhile, Ben Franklin was in Paris begging for support for the American Revolution. The French were willing to provide supplies, but told Ben he'd have to provide his own transport. Franklin pointed out that Ariel was just sitting in the harbor and could he borrow it to transport the supplies. That was fine with the French, so Franklin asked John Paul Jones to captain the vessel. To cut to the punch line, Jones got the Ariel to Philadelphia, but not before fighting his last naval battle in Ariel. And, once the supplies were off-loaded, he sailed the ship back to France to return it to her owners. Consequently, we have a British ship owned by the French, but flying an American flag! I've started construction, but just barely. This is going to be a long, slow project.
  22. Hello everyone ! My name is Patrick, 64, retired for 4 years soon and living in Poissy, a small town located 30 km west of Paris. I have been watching your works on this forum for several years now and as some of my compatriots are doing, I would like to show you a project I started four years ago : a French frigate named "La Renommée". I work from a monograph by Jean BOUDRIOT, the scale is 1/48. At this stage, I just finished the hull and I will show you some pictures without too many comments, the pictures speaking for themselves ... and moreover, my "English" is a bit "rusty". I will go in stages, to condense 4 years of work in a few days of publication. So let's go ... [/url Patrick
  23. As the building of my other model, H.M.S. Leopard at 1:80 took the best part of 9 years, I didn't want to take on another full-on model of a complete ship. So, since I have basic drawings/plans of Leopard I'm going to have a try at a cross section. As a section will require a lot less space for the finished item I wanted to exploit that and have increased the scale considerably. . . . and to explain about the unusual scale of 1:44 - - - I had planned to have the previous drawings at 1:80 doubled and asked for that at the copy shop. The enlarged copies didn't quite come out at twice the size. At the widest point on the body plan the moulded breadth measures exactly 11 inches. Compared to the 'real width' of the actual ship at 39 feet 10 inches that works out at 1:43.45 --- so, its official model scale will be called "1:44". Okay, that's that out of the way. As for the actual parts of the drawings and plans that I will need, some modifications have to be made before I can even think about creating more sawdust in my hut. When I built my previous Leopard it was P.o.B. so the body plan was sufficient for creating the bulkheads but I have to modify that plan for creating frames. All I have is this >>> and one copy of a section at mid-ship >>> I will need more than the 'half frames' that are available on the body plan, so, I had the image flipped horizontally and made a few copies >>> I then cut two of the flipped copies down the centre line and pasted them onto 'right-way-round' copies and ended up with these >>> These two copies above were the ones that came back from the copy shop at almost twice their original size. (I had 12 copies of the aft frame plan and 6 of the forward frame plans copied.) The section drawing above is reasonably adequate as a rough guide to the basic shape of the mid-ship frame but I will have to make use of the body plan for the nine frames I intend to make. It won't be a fully-framed section but instead the frames will equate to the positions of the bulkheads 13 to (B) shown in the plan below >>> It will be a little longer than most sections I have seen as I want it to extend from just ahead of the companionway forward of the main mast back to the two capstans. As a section at this scale would have a full height mainmast at around 1.6 metres (over 5 feet) I intend just to display with a 'stump' of a main mast as shown in the section drawing. (second image in this post.) This project is requiring a lot more advance planning than did my previous build before the sawdust stage so hopefully I'll have formulated a definite route to go by the next post. (I have ideas -- just have to test them!)
  24. Enough of the thinking, time for some doing! My son came good at Christmas with a copy of the Brian Lavery/Geoff Hunt book "The Frigate Surprise", number 165 of the limited edition of 250 which includes the signed Geoff Hunt print, marvellous. I have purchased a Scheppach Deco Flex scroll saw to cut out all those curvey bits. The book includes lots of line drawings including the all important hull profiles which I will scan and enlarge to the right scale then transfer to ply for the internal framing. I intend a double plank on bulkhead method for the hull. I have built 2 hulls this way and like that the 2 layers gives a bit more scope for modification (fixing mistakes!). Next will be creation of a list of timber needed to start. Cheers. David.
  25. I first set foot on board the Constitution when I was 7 years old, and I was hooked on sailing ships ever since. My elementary school library had C S Forester's The Captain From Connecticut which I loved and led me to Forester's other work, namely Hornblower. In fact, the 16 foot daysailer I've had since 1979 is named Lydia. I spent my teens and twenties working under sail and power, from barkentines to tugs. I've built several of the 1:96 scale Constitution/United States Revell kits, two of them were RCed; but I always wanted a sailing model of the ubiquitous British frigate, and no one made that kit. I finally decided to build one. Already deep into building an 1850's American sloop-of-war, and with a Baltimore Clipper schooner already planked up, I began a third model of the HMS Macedonian. I chose Macedonian because I could easily get Chapelle's drawing of her from The American Sailing Navy from the Smithsonian, and she was interesting. Macedonian by Gardner Macedonian was a Lively class frigate rated at 38 guns, another of Sir William Rule's designs. Launched in 1810, during the War of 1812 she had the misfortune to meet the American frigate United States, a Constitution class 44 and was captured. She was taken into the American Navy and served until 1828 when she was broken up and replaced by a new ship. Lively Bacchante The story of Macedonian is well told in Chronicles of the Frigate Macedonian, 1809-1922 by James T deKay and I've posted a fair history of the ship on my page There's lots of data available on how the British built and out-fitted their frigates, and even Macedonian's figurehead still exists, but I never have found any reliable information on what her stern looked like. What I've come up with is my own conjecture based on the sterns of other Lively class frigates. The mounted figure is from a statue of Alexander that existed when Macedonian was built. The round object is the "Vergina Sun" found at ancient Macedonian sites and dating from the time of Alexander's father. Symbology available when Macedonian was built and while this is my own guess, it's at least a logical guess. I considered using Alexander's profile from a coin in place of the mounted figure, but his face is already on the bow - given the choice, I'd think an English builder would choose the horse. When the drawings came in from the Smithsonian, the first thing I did was have them digitally scanned. I then rescaled them from 1:48 up to 1:36 mostly so this model would be the same scale as my Constellation. That done, I made up a sheet with each station drawn full-sized, and printed that on my plotter. At this scale, the model should be; Length: 59" taffrail to Alexander's nose Beam molded: 13.3" Draught: 6.87" without the removable ballast keel Her length over the rig will be about 7' and she will stand from keel to truck, about 4'. (I'll update this with more accurate numbers and metric equivalents at a later date) These paper patterns were used to rough cut the wooden stations from 3/8" plywood. Each paper pattern was then glued onto it's station close cut on the bandsaw, and then fined up on the beltsander where some bevel was put into the forward and after stations.
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