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Well, after researching as much as I could from the many contributors to this and other forums regarding how cannon should be rigged I made the call. For the main deck 6-pounders I went with breaching lines and frapped block and tackle. I made the choice to coil a small amount of line at each side of the gun rather than try to have all the line taken up with frapping. Unfortunately I went with french coils next to unfrapped block and tackle on the 10 cannons that are visible on the gun deck. I guess I'll just need to direct any inspecting admiral to the gun deck as quickly as possible. I had used zip seizing on the block and tackle on both decks. That worked well and looked okay on the 12-pounders that didn't have frapped lines but it would have been better - and easier - to leave that seizing off the rigging that was going to be frapped. I think the look on the main deck is more of a ready-for-action look than the coiled lines. I plan to bend sails to some of the yards and have some furled or perhaps on clewlines. My hope is to give the appearance of a ship at sea rather than at anchor. Richard Current Build: AL L'Hermione
Does anyone have drawings (preferably 1/60 scale - but I guess beggars can't be choosers) for 4 pounder guns as carried on the bounty? I am building the Amati model and I'm not overly impressed with the supplied cast metal carriages so I want to build some "more correct" ones. Searching the net brings up loads of 18, 24 & 32 pounders but none of the little ones! Looking forward to your help...
Dear Friends - still awaiting my wolf plans, I leaf through the NMM sites - because I have never been languidly... There have been a lot of sloops named "Rover" - and to be correctly in detail surplus a sub - here a littele view to wikipedia: HMS Rover was a 16-gun sloop, formerly the American Cumberland. The British captured her in 1779, only to lose her temporarily to the French in 1780, before they recaptured her in 1781; she was wrecked later that year. HMS Rover II 1796 was a 16-gun ship-sloop launched in 1796, purchased 1789 and wrecked on 23 June 1798. Length: 104 ft 0 in (31.70 m) (gundeck); 80 ft 1 1⁄2 in (24.422 m) (keel) Beam: 26 ft 1 in (7.95 m) Depth of hold: 16 ft ¼ in (4.883 m) Propulsion: Sails Complement: 80 Armament: 16 x 24-pounder carronades Sail plan: full rigged ship HMS Rover III 1808 was an 18-gun Cruizer-class brig-sloop launched in 1808 and sold in 1828. Type: Brig-sloop Tons burthen: 38241⁄94 (bm) Length: 100 ft (30 m) (overall); 77 ft 3 1⁄2 in (23.559 m) (keel) Beam: 30 ft 6 in (9.30 m) Depth of hold: 12 ft 9 in (3.89 m) Sail plan: Brig Complement: 121 Armament: 2 x 6-pounder bow guns + 16 x 32-pounder carronades So I might be able to use the Wolfs plan and alter it. with your help. HMS Rover IVa 1829 was to have been an 18-gun sloop. She was ordered in 1829, but the design was revised, and she was re-ordered as the next HMS Rover. HMS Rover IVb 1832 was an 18-gun sloop launched in 1832 and broken up in 1845. HMS Rover V was a 16-gun brig launched in 1853 and sold in 1862 to the Prussian Navy. similar to HMS ‘Atalanta’; HMS ‘Camilla’; HMS ‘Hellena’; HMS ‘Jumna’; HMS ‘Mosquito’ Rover: 21. Juni 1853 Vermessung: 310 BRT/194 NRT Length CWL: 34,1 m Length o.a. 40,5 m Br: 10,3 m D: 4,05 - 4,6 m Ordonance (1st prussian): 10 × glatte 24-Pfünder (2nd prussian):10 × 8 cm L/23 Rk Krupp Rigging: Brig Speed: 12 kn HMS Rover VI was an iron screw corvette launched in 1874 and sold in 1893. Famous by the journey of Sir Rober Falcon Scott. Type: Iron screw corvette Displacement: 3,462 long tons (3,518 t) Length: 208 ft (63.4 m) pp Beam: 43 ft 6 in (13.3 m) Draught: 17 ft 6 in (5.33 m) (forward) 22 ft 7 in (6.88 m) (aft) Depth of hold: 23 ft (7.01 m) Installed power: 4,964 ihp (3,702 kW) Propulsion: Single (hoisting) screw 3-cylinder horizontal compound-expansion steam engine 10 cylindrical boilers Sail plan: Ship rig Speed: 14.5 knots (26.9 km/h; 16.7 mph) Under sail 11 knots (20 km/h; 13 mph) Range: 1,840 nmi (3,410 km; 2,120 mi) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) Complement: 315 Armament: 2 × 7-inch rifled muzzle-loading guns 16 × 6.3-inch 64-pounder rifled muzzle-loading guns HMS Rover VII (N 62) was a Rainbow-class submarine launched in 1930 and sold for scrapping in 1946. Displacement: 1,763 long tons (1,791 t) surfaced 2,030 long tons (2,060 t) submerged Length: 287 ft (87 m) Beam: 30 ft (9.1 m) Draught: 16 ft (4.9 m) Propulsion: Diesel-electric 2 × Admiralty diesel engines, 4,640 hp 2 × electric motors, 1,635 hp 2 shafts Speed: 17.5 knots (20.1 mph; 32.4 km/h) surfaced 8.6 kn (9.9 mph; 15.9 km/h) submerged Complement: 53 Armament: • 8 × 21 in (530 mm) torpedo tubes (6 bow, 2 stern) with 14 reloads • 1 × 4.7 in QF Mark IX deck gun HMS Rover of 1852. Today I invested some minutes and collected all the diocuments I could find at the NMM: Listed: Object ID Description Measurements Date made ZAZ4236 lines 500 mm x 1250 mm 1831 ZAZ4237 Inboard profile 310 mm x 835 mm 1831 ZAZ4238 Lower deck plan 315 mm x 835 mm 1831 ZAZ4239 Upper deck plan 315 mm x 835 mm 1831 ZAZ4241 lines 315 mm x 1090 mm 1832 ZAZ4243 Upper deck plan 320 mm x 830 mm 1832 So we have two set of Lines und Upper Deck Plan... what may be the reason for this??? And a very fine model of the hull in high-polish - wearing the proud mumber SLR0740 classicaly scaled in 1:48 Here the description from the NMM side: Scale: 1:48. Full hull model of HMS Rover (1832), an 18 gun sloop. Model is decked and equipped. The lower hull has been painted to depict copper sheathing, whilst above the waterline it is black. The deck is painted and lined to indicate planking, with cream coloured inwales. There are fixtures and fittings: Capstan, bilge pump, chimney for galley stove, windlass on forecastle deck and two deck gratings along the centre line, around which are stored the shot. One support survives for the ships wheel, the wheel itself is missing.The bow is decorated with a half bust figurehead and painted flags on the trail boards. The aftermost gun ports are filled and on the inboard face are painted a series of flags and pendants. The model is mounted on two turned wooden pillars on the keel and supported by two metal rods around the bilge, all of which are secured to a wooden varnished baseboard with bun feet. There are a number of paper labels and inscriptions on both the model and baseboard. File:SLR0740: The "bonnet mascot" File:SLR0740: The sideview shows to us, the Master had his "flat" under the upper deck... or he had a recest balcony on the end of the battery deck??? File:SLR0740a: Very after ther is a "coloum" helmsmans place beside the wheeh (without wheel actually) or the chimney of the galley and so it is the ships cooks place? (I got no idear from the descriptions text) File:SLR0740b: During a race she wears the Number 11.. Faster Master! But I couldn't find anything about the ordonance used eightteen times on board... and other intersting questions - like: Haven't there been any lids? I've got the idea to take the Roveras my next research project... I could show the development of the Soop-Of-War by 6½ modells... Now I'm interested what your ideas are to begin with a row of sloops, Yours Christian