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Hello again MSW, After finishing my first build (Constellation) by AL I finally decided on a second adventure. I finally mustered up the courage and decided to do a scratch build of the HMS Leopard. I had come across the plans and for a first scratch build it seemed to have all the ingredients to test my abilities. There seemed to be plenty of information available to guide me along with my MSW friends so I went for it. Naturally, I have the 50 Gun Ship book by Rif Winfield. I took the 1:96 plans that came with it and enlarged them up to 1:85 scale. The 1:96 was just a bit small to me. I scaled it up to 1:72 and it was bigger than I have room for so I split the difference and ended up at 1:85... same as my Constellation. Working in an engineering office, I have access to the CAD program Solidworks so I transferred the 1:96 measurements from the drawing to the CAD and just played with the scale until I liked it. I have been researching, planning and drawing frames for the past month so there is not much to show at this point. Scratch building is forcing me to learn tons of information on ship building practices which is not a bad thing. My plan is to build the model with both frames and bulkheads. The reason is I want to cut away the center area of the hull on one side to show some of the Orlop and Lower deck arrangements. I figured I have the plans/layouts so why not use them. I will use frames in the area of the cutout and bulkheads on both ends since these areas will not be seen inside. Below is a sketch of my thoughts. The area inside the heavy outline will be the cut away area. Here also are some pics of the frame work I am playing with now. Band saws and belt sanders will be busy! Next is to design the fore and aft bulkheads and the deadwood layout. If I do this right, the summer when the shipyard is open as much, will be spent designing and roughing out the skeleton. Then when the New England winter sets in I will have plenty to keep me busy. Hope you enjoy the build, Tom
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As the building of my other model, H.M.S. Leopard at 1:80 took the best part of 9 years, I didn't want to take on another full-on model of a complete ship. So, since I have basic drawings/plans of Leopard I'm going to have a try at a cross section. As a section will require a lot less space for the finished item I wanted to exploit that and have increased the scale considerably. . . . and to explain about the unusual scale of 1:44 - - - I had planned to have the previous drawings at 1:80 doubled and asked for that at the copy shop. The enlarged copies didn't quite come out at twice the size. At the widest point on the body plan the moulded breadth measures exactly 11 inches. Compared to the 'real width' of the actual ship at 39 feet 10 inches that works out at 1:43.45 --- so, its official model scale will be called "1:44". Okay, that's that out of the way. As for the actual parts of the drawings and plans that I will need, some modifications have to be made before I can even think about creating more sawdust in my hut. When I built my previous Leopard it was P.o.B. so the body plan was sufficient for creating the bulkheads but I have to modify that plan for creating frames. All I have is this >>> and one copy of a section at mid-ship >>> I will need more than the 'half frames' that are available on the body plan, so, I had the image flipped horizontally and made a few copies >>> I then cut two of the flipped copies down the centre line and pasted them onto 'right-way-round' copies and ended up with these >>> These two copies above were the ones that came back from the copy shop at almost twice their original size. (I had 12 copies of the aft frame plan and 6 of the forward frame plans copied.) The section drawing above is reasonably adequate as a rough guide to the basic shape of the mid-ship frame but I will have to make use of the body plan for the nine frames I intend to make. It won't be a fully-framed section but instead the frames will equate to the positions of the bulkheads 13 to (B) shown in the plan below >>> It will be a little longer than most sections I have seen as I want it to extend from just ahead of the companionway forward of the main mast back to the two capstans. As a section at this scale would have a full height mainmast at around 1.6 metres (over 5 feet) I intend just to display with a 'stump' of a main mast as shown in the section drawing. (second image in this post.) This project is requiring a lot more advance planning than did my previous build before the sawdust stage so hopefully I'll have formulated a definite route to go by the next post. (I have ideas -- just have to test them!)
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Hi MSW i have a question about whether it would be correct to use a wooden shear pole at the base of the shrouds on my 1797 HMS Leopard. I have seen pics with wood and just a rope for the first ratline. Monfeld’s book Historic Ship Models shows a picture of one page 285 but it says 19th century in the caption. The futtock staves seem to be rope and not wood in the brief text on page 282. Can these be wood if the shear pole is wood? just trying to make it as right as my talents will allow. Tom
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With a measure of reluctance, but because I've been encouraged by one of the forum moderators, I'm making an attempt at creating a build log of my ship. I should preface this with a warning ~ and that is to point out that anyone viewing this should not expect to see the awesome build quality that can be seen in so many threads on this forum. Apart from a very crude attempt at building an (imaginary) ship a few years ago, this is my first ever attempt at building a model of a ship that actually existed. That said, I'll point out at this stage that there are, and will be certain details of the ship that will be beyond my level of skill (and experience?) to replicate as they are shown in the plans and drawings. There will also be some proceedures or sequences of progress that may not conform to the normal practice for a scratch build and these anomalies are the product of my lack of experience and knowledge of how to go about certain tasks. So, please don't jump on me too hard ~ I'm doing my best! It's close to 3 years since I started the build but there have been a few lengthy lay-off periods when nothing was done to 'Leopard', and there are no photos of the earliest stages of the build. I'll kick this off with one of the earliest photos taken after all the bulkheads had been attached and some stiffeners added > In this pic I had already fixed most of the lower cills of the gun ports on the lower deck and a few cills of the gun ports on the upper deck. This pic shows some of the gun port upper cills fixed. Early in the build I decided I would form the gun ports before any hull planking was commenced as I had already seen some builds where the ports were cut out after the hull planking and that seemed like an awful lot of work that I didn't want to encounter later on. -
Hello out there. I am working on the HMS Leopard and I am starting to work on the bow sprit area. I was looking ahead a bit at the standing and running rigging to see how it works together with bow sprit, Jin and flying jib. My question concerns the stay sails, particularly the fore stay sail. The plans show it but all the reference material I have seen makes no mention of it except Lennarth Peterson’s Rigging Period Ship Models (pg 87). I am trying to follow Steele’s Elements of Mast Making and Rigging, Mondfeld’s Historic Ship Models and Harland’s Seamanship in the Age of Sail but none of them make mention of it. I was only able to find 3 sails (fore topmast, inner and outer jibs). I have very detailed pictures of this model that was built by Larissa Rumtant of the Ukraine. It won the world championships so I am thinking it must be a pretty good representation. In her model it was not present. Other than my plans, it shows up nowhere. Do I too omit it or follow the plans? The plans are from Winfield’s 50 Gun Ship. Below is a copy of the plans I have been doodling on. The sail in question is outlined in red. Any clarification would be appreciated. My gut is to follow the plan. Thanks Tom
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Dear colleagues, although a member of this forum for some time, this is the first post. I started building model while hms leopard 1790 1/300 scale. i use drawing from the book of rif winfield. here are some pictures of the model .
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Hello, after I put off my Triton build I started a new project. Now I want to build the 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 (POB) ,1/64 scale Therefor I bought the book The 50-Gun Ship from Rif Winfield. At this are the plans of the Leopard drawn by John McKay. I don’t make many words about the build of the frames because that’s often described here on MSW. Instead I show some photos. Juergen
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