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La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette


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@luc
Hi Luc,
sorry, only today I come to answer your questions:
The etched parts I have made here:
LINK
But I have previously drawn an etching template.

Unfortunately I do not have a tutorial.

First of all, I made four original brass parts for the brass castings. I sent these prototypes to a jewelery foundry, which then made molds and then casts.
I hope that I have explained it understandably.
I am happy to answer further questions.

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On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 9:12 AM, rwiederrich said:

I wonder where the marine historians and architects went wrong when rebuilding the constitution? 

Nylon lanyards.

 

One of my pet peeves are the sailing ships used in so many period movies which are rigged with white Dacron line. I understand that modern synthetic cordage is far better in actual use than the old natural fiber cordage that would be historically correct, but in an otherwise meticulously accurately dressed set, white Dacron is a real "poke in the eye." It took a long time for the sailcloth manufacturers to get around to offering natural canvas-colored Dacron sailcloth with a softer hand and I think properly colored synthetic line may now be available. The "traditional look" Dacron sailcloth looks far better on traditional boats.

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@Bob Cleek

Thanks for your contribution.

And here is the sequel to the gun tackle. In the meantime, the eight pieces were made for the 18-pounders.

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Then the breeching ropes are attached to the guns.

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On 2/26/2019 at 12:29 PM, luc said:

and a last question : brass casting, how do you do that??

As Johann said, you let a professional do it :) Any decent sized town will have a jeweler that does custom work. The easiest thing to do is get jeweler's wax and carve/build up a master, they can then make a mold and do the casting. It shouldn't cost too much. I've had parts made that way for projects, and I also made some rings for an ex-admiral.

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9 hours ago, vossiewulf said:

As Johann said, you let a professional do it :) Any decent sized town will have a jeweler that does custom work. The easiest thing to do is get jeweler's wax and carve/build up a master, they can then make a mold and do the casting. It shouldn't cost too much. I've had parts made that way for projects, and I also made some rings for an ex-admiral.

@vossiewulf

Hello,
completely correct.

The first picture shows a master model. Overall, I have made four of them. This will reduce the mold cost.

The length of this part is 2.8 mm, without pin.

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In relation to the individual production, it is not too expensive.
Nine castes each 4 parts (36 parts) cost including shipping 36 €.

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Here is a LINK to a German jewelry foundry, just for example. I think there will be this in every country.

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1 hour ago, albert said:

Hi Johann I look forward to your work that I consider one of the best I've ever seen and I greatly appreciate your explanations on the various methods you used to make the various pieces that make up the wonderful model you are making, good continuation and thanks.

@albert

Hello Albert,
I am particularly pleased about your statement, because it comes from an outstanding modeler.
I hope I always explain it reasonably understandable, as I do not speak English very well.

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Hello,
It still needs to be clarified how the gun tackles are stowed. There are two ways to do this:

version 1

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version 2
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The version 2 I consider the more authentic version. It also corresponds to the Paris model LINK and the illustrations from the book "Aide mémoire d 'artillerie navale 1850" LINK.

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Thanks Sam,

for your nice comment, and everyone else for the LIKES.
In addition to the rigging for the cannons, I also represent the apron of lead. This apron was designed so that it has covered the entire gunlock of the cannon.DSC07524.thumb.jpg.286194fd3a3b4e615dba82fe68a01ce3.jpg

 

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Albert, thank you for your interest and your kind comment.
Many thanks also to all for the LIKES.

 

As a supplement to the last report here are a few pictures for making and assembling the aprons of lead for the gunlocks of the 18 pounders.

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Hello,

Meanwhile, I have tried the final rigging of the 18 pounders La Crèole.
To see how long the running part of the gun tackle has to be, I have chosen the first layout.
The second arrangement is then the one used on the model.

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 very very nice johann

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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To my sailor's eye, it looks like your sample gun has the gun tackle hook and the breaching rope eye reversed.  Now, that may well have been French practice, and is what it is.

 

What does keep catching my eye for the stowed gun is that there's no real way to stopper the gun tackle.   Which will be sore wanted the first time the ship rolls.  One just does not want a couple tonnes of canon wandering away from  its gun port.  Especially if tables are slung in between the guns and the deck space is wanted for seating..

 

It's just a seamanship quibble.

 

Everything else in the examples simply makes me green with envy for the skill and talent represented there.

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Hello,
thank you for the interest and the LIKES.


This is how the gun looks full rigged on the model ship.
It's pretty tricky to install the cannon on the deck.

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I replace the unsightly ropes in the hammock cranes with new, darker ones. I bought the previous ropes.
But now I can make the ropes myself with my ropewalk.

 

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 Very impressive.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

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Nautical Adventures

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Hello,

thank you for the interest!

Just wanted to see what the 18-pounders of La Créole look like in the style of a historic postcard.
In this context, a small note: The four 18-pounders, which were set up as part of the original equipment on the La Créole in 1829,
were actually a bit dated at this time. This type of cannon was based on a system from 1786.
Later, in 1837, these 18-pounders were replaced by 30 pounders of the Paixhans system.

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Wow, really looking great Johann. Your attention to detail is remarkable. 

 

 

 

 

 

Able bodied seaman, subject to the requirements of the service.

"I may very well sink, but I'm damned if I'll Strike!" JPJ

 

My Pacific Northwest Discovery Series:

On the slipways in the lumberyard

Union, 1792 - 1:48 scale - POF Scratch build

18th Century Longboat - circa 1790 as used in the PNW fur trade - FINISHED

 

Future Builds (Wish List)

Columbia Redidiva, 1787

HM Armed Tender Chatham, 1788

HMS Discovery, 1789 Captain Vancouver

Santiago, 1775 - Spanish Frigate of Explorer Bruno de Hezeta

Lady Washington, 1787 - Original Sloop Rig

 

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I was watching a British-made television documentary about the development of naval ships last night. ("Heavy Metal" it was called.) They were interviewing the curator of Victory aboard the vessel right next to a gun and carriage. The gun had a hammered lead cover on the flint lock, exactly as do yours! I expect you may know that, but I was very impressed with your eye for detail. If it weren't for this thread, I'd still be wondering what that "lead patch" was on top of the gun. :D

 

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Johann,

 

Your work is beyond brilliant  :imNotWorthy:

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

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Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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    Put a charge of black powder and one of those canon balls in it, and see if it fires off a round!  It looks like it would work to me.

Dave

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Current Builds:  Modified MS 1/8” scale Phantom, and modified plastic/wood hybrid of Aurora 1:87 scale whaling bark Wanderer.

Past Builds: (Done & sold) 1/8” scale A.J. Fisher 2 mast schooner Challenge, 1/6” scale scratch built whaler Wanderer w/ plans & fittings from A.J. Fisher, and numerous plastic kits including 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution (twice), Cutty Sark, and Mayflower.

                  (Done & in dry dock) Modified 1/8” scale Revell U.S.S. Constitution w/ wooden deck and masting [too close encounter w/conc. floor in move]

Hope to get to builds: MS 3/16” scale Pride of Baltimore II,  MS 1/2” scale pinky schooner Glad Tidings,  a scratch build 3/16” scale  Phantom, and a scratch build 3/16" scale Denis Sullivan.

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