aliluke Posted May 14, 2013 Share #271 Posted May 14, 2013 Hi Jay and Hi JIM Good to see you here Jim (sorry Jay, not trying to hijack your log...)...this is the right place to be! Cheers Alistair Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share #272 Posted May 14, 2013 Hi Jim, I just sent you a little note not realizing you found my build log here (and Alistair: no problem hijacking OK?). As I mentioned, this is a great forum and in my opinion a lot better than Mr. Hunt's. It has a great membership from all over the world. Even New Zeeland I have learned a lot from all these pros. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share #273 Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) My build has slowed down but I have made a little progress with the rigging. As before, I continue to work the lines from top on down and stern forwards. I have added the bare spars on top, rigged the halyards and even added the braces. Someone ones told me to hold off with the braces for last, but I am finding that to add them where they don't interfere with other things, makes it a lot easier to belay them around the masts. The back stays and halyards go to the channel or pinrails along the outside, but as long as I am finished with other details (such as the rigging of the spanker) I went ahead and attached them. My wife and I are going to Europe for about three weeks so there will be further slow downs. We will be on a river cruise from Amsterdam to Budapest, but I am planning to go to Lelystad in Holland to visit the replica of the Batavia, a Dutch ship that ran aground west of Australia on it maiden voyage to Indonesia. The history alone is fascinating. Edited May 21, 2013 by Modeler12 CaptainSteve 1 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Matson Posted May 21, 2013 Share #274 Posted May 21, 2013 Jay Rigging looks great as usual. Hope you and wife wife havea great trip and look forward to your progress when you return. Quote Geoff NRG member #2666Current build : USS Constitution Finished builds: Armed Virginia Sloop (in gallery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share #275 Posted May 21, 2013 Thanks Geoff. We had planned to do this trip two years ago and then I tore my Achilles tendon and had to cancel. This time it should be a go. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st george Posted May 21, 2013 Share #276 Posted May 21, 2013 Have a great trip Jay, look forward to seeing some photos of the Batavia when you get back. David Quote David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted May 21, 2013 Share #277 Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) The rigging looks great Jay. Have a wonderful trip. Dave Edited May 21, 2013 by lambsbk Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share #278 Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) Have a great trip Jay, look forward to seeing some photos of the Batavia when you get back. David Will do David and Dave. Do you, by chance, know the ill fated story of the Batavia? I read the book which, although fictional, was based on her voyage and the mutiny/cannibal acts that followed. Shortly after I read the book they found the wreckage and I understand that it is on display somewhere in Australia. Edited May 22, 2013 by Modeler12 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted May 22, 2013 Share #279 Posted May 22, 2013 I do not. But I look forward to your telling it. Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st george Posted May 22, 2013 Share #280 Posted May 22, 2013 Jay, Funny, but I actually read the story yesterday. While I was looking at the Lenox, I came across reference to the Batavia and lookes up the story. David Quote David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #281 Posted May 22, 2013 Dave, rather than me telling you the story, you might have a look at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavia_(ship) Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #282 Posted May 22, 2013 The braces may seem easy and not important at first. But they are the lines that control the fore and aft turning of the spars. The main topgallant spar has not yet received the braces in the picture below. It was not until I started to add a couple of these that I realized that they require more blocks and tie- downs at deck level. More blocks and strops, you guys! I encountered one problem with the royal braces for the foremast. According to the plans those lines would go to the pinrails along the sides. However, when I tried to do that they interfered with the top. Besides the other braces were tied off at the base of the mast. So, I decided to do the same and find a place that would not be used for any lines that I have in mind. trippwj 1 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted May 22, 2013 Share #283 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) The Batavia incident all happened approx 400km north of where I sit tonight. Whilst I have never personally visited, I do believe the Batavia is now at the Fremantle Maritime Museum (Victoria Quay/Peter Hughes Dr, Fremantle WA, just in case you were in the neighbourhood) Edited May 22, 2013 by CaptainSteve Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #284 Posted May 22, 2013 Steve, thanks for the 'invite' but not this year. That whole story of the Batavia (including the execution of some of those who were found guilty afterwards) was horrific. I have time for a few more additions to Conny and then I have to start packing for our Sunday departure. Right now the weather is not to good in western Europe and if it is raining when we want to do the Lelystad excursion we may have to cancel that. We'll go to the new Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted May 22, 2013 Share #285 Posted May 22, 2013 Thanks. I'll check it out. Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted May 22, 2013 Share #286 Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Jay: I just read the reference you provided to the Batavia. It is a frighteningly ill-fated ship. In spite of it's history, the construct of the ship appears beautiful. Good luck. Edited May 22, 2013 by lambsbk Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted May 22, 2013 Share #287 Posted May 22, 2013 Very nice build. It's good to see the progress with a wood version of this ship. Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #288 Posted May 22, 2013 Very nice build. It's good to see the progress with a wood version of this ship. Thank you Tex. Every time I add another line and a few more blocks things get interesting. And I haven't even added the sails yet Yes all those blocks have a purpose but most are for the mizzen topsail with its clewlines, buntlines, etc. Four of them are for the braces that I am now putting on. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #289 Posted May 22, 2013 A word of caution about mounting the riding bits to the deck. These are the posts that hold up the fife rails around the masts. As you can see I broke one off when belaying the brace lines. It was simply glued to the deck and a little tension broke it loose. With more lines to add, including the heavy ones for the main jacks, I may end up with the same problem later. I would suggest making the posts longer and having square holes in the deck into which I would epoxy the posts. I am not going to redo all of that now, but will add a pin in the end of the post that broke loose and use that to remount the post. I will also use some more epoxy in the joint of the fife rail after I clean this up. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted May 22, 2013 Share #290 Posted May 22, 2013 Jay: Is it possible to drill and pin the rail diagonally to the deck? I think this would give a little more verticle strength perhaps. Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #291 Posted May 22, 2013 Jay: Is it possible to drill and pin the rail diagonally to the deck? I think this would give a little more verticle strength perhaps. That might be tricky to line up. I think with a pin as shown below (which is inserted into the post about 1/4 inch and bonded in place with epoxy) and a hole in the deck (pencil mark) with more epoxy when I am ready to bond the whole kittagaboodle in place, I should be ok. It surely will be stronger than just edge gluing the post on deck. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share #292 Posted May 24, 2013 Not too much will be happening for the next three weeks. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 24, 2013 Share #293 Posted May 24, 2013 Jay, Have a great trip. Your Conny is looking fantastic. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted May 25, 2013 Share #294 Posted May 25, 2013 Your Conny ... and us ... will be eagerly awaiting your return. Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted May 25, 2013 Share #295 Posted May 25, 2013 The Conny is looking great! Hated to see the issue with the rail getting pulled from the deck. I'm sure that the pin and epoxy will hold her down. I love watching your progress. Have a great trip! Marc Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share #296 Posted May 26, 2013 Mark, Steve and Marc, thanks for the 'bon voyage' messages. Appreciated. We're actually leaving tomorrow, so I did have some time to work on Conny. I added the spritsail yard and all the rigging that goes with that. More 'confusion' at the bow. But I think I got it straight any way (including another pair of braces, six more eyebolts, eight more bullseyes and 12 more blocks). This is sounding like a Christmas carrol. I guess I am ready for a vacation. How any sailor could keep all those lines clear in his mind is beyond me. But when at sea for 'two years before the mast', I guess it gets ingrained. CaptainSteve 1 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 26, 2013 Share #297 Posted May 26, 2013 Jay, Leaving in the morning? And the Admiral let you work on your Conny instead of re-packing everything? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Matson Posted June 19, 2013 Share #298 Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Jay Sorry to hear your boat trip turned into a bus trip. Mother nature always seems to have plans of her own. WHile you were gone we also went on vacation. We went to the Beaches Resort in the Turks and Caicos. Great time. Only complaint ....We had to come home! Edited June 19, 2013 by Geoff Matson Quote Geoff NRG member #2666Current build : USS Constitution Finished builds: Armed Virginia Sloop (in gallery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted July 5, 2013 Share #299 Posted July 5, 2013 Wow, very nice build - are you adding sails? This ship probably looks amazing in full sails. Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimatHm Posted July 5, 2013 Share #300 Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Hi Jay...... Just a suggestion here, if I may..!!?? An old trick that I've used for years that has always worked out very well, and has also stood the test of time, (in a lot of years, now...!!!)...When your going for the appearance of a 'weathered' and 'billowed' sail that would give the look of being at sea with moderate, to heavy winds...and especially if you're doing cloth sails, (regardless of the type of material you're using, such as muslin, or just regular 'sheet' cloth), I have in fact used the 'Fan' Method' (the 'fan' being an adjustable strength hair dryer ) after giving the sails a very slight spray of warm water, from an old spray bottle, that allows a 'mist' spray, and then (here's the 'trick' !!) from behind the sails, as if being 'the wind' itself, give s slight mist spray with a good brand ( I will suggest TRESemme') Hair Spray...!!! ( an all day humidity resistance type) for really good hold when it all dries, in a very short period of time...Hair spray alone, appx. 3 minutes total, and if possible using a 'soft blow' hair dryer, set to LOW HEAT...Hair Spray with WET sails, appx. 15 minutes, with a hair dryer, and up to 35-45 minutes without, allowing for additional 'molding' with fingers (be careful though, it's really sticky !!) or preferably with moderately swift strokes of a medium sized paint brush...but again, remember its really sticky !! The overall final appearance is really satisfying, and the 'trick' will always bring am 'Oh Really ??' look from those you pass it along to...Best of luck...try it on a couple of 'sample sails, for 'kicks and grins' 'til you're satisfied with your 'skills' at 'hairdressing' the sails...!!! Blessings, Kim...!!! Edited July 5, 2013 by KimatHm trippwj and jml1083 2 Quote Current Builds in Progress: 'Novelty Build'...'DreamShip'...'Wooden Shoe' of 'Wynken, Blinkin, & Nod' - U.S.S. Constitution (Revell) ; America . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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