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Nice work Piet, Its hard to believe that these are the first carvings you have done

 

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Thanks again to all who came to visit and hit the like button, you are always welcome in my humble shipyard.

 

@ George:  Yes, there are still many mysteries in the world for which we may never find the answers.

 

@ Remco:  Thanks but wait till version 3 or 4 or 5 come along.  It's really not easy at this scale.

 

@ Popeye:  Thank you for the kudos but it's like my old friend Michael Angelo said, remove everything that doesn't belong and you'll have a perfect carving.  Now, I still have a problem seeing what belongs and what not ;)

 

@ Pete:  Thank you too my friend and yes, it's really my first attempt at this very rewarding endeavor.

 

 

Well, like I mentioned last time, I was contemplating in making a new SuraBaya carving.  This morning I sketched a new scene on a previously cut piece of boxwood.  It's just a tad larger by about 2 mm overall.  I also re positioned the croc's head with a slight twist.  I added the croc's tail and re positioned the shark's head slightly to see more of the lower jaw.  The shark's dorsal fin will also be moved slightly forward and made the tail more shark like.  Now all I have to do is make it all work so it looks believable.

 

I also made a second knecht (knight) for more practice, which is actually version 2.0.  I used poplar wood which is really not good for this kind of work at this scale.  But it's good enough for practice.  There are hard and soft sections in it that tend to make the blade skip.

After version 2. 0 was completed I thought that I was getting the hang of it so I cut a few blocks of boxwood and went to work on version 3.0.  It's slightly better but still too broad at the cheeks.  Tomorrow morning I'll remove some material and see how that looks.  If Gwen thinks it's okay then I'll have to carfe a second one for the forecastle and make hats for them.

 

There wont be much time for the shipyard in the next two days due to doctor appointments.  Nothing serious, just scheduled checkups.  I'll also be discussing about an upcoming MRI (again) for which I'm not too keen on.  Too many radiology exposures to my delicate bod doesn't really sit well with me.

 

Okay, here are a few pics on the continuing saga of my carving attempts.

 

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This then is version 2.0 of the Surabaya carving.  I have annotated the changes I planned to make and wish me luck. 

 

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Knecht version 2.0 in poplar wood, better but still no cigar.

 

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Knecht version 2.0 on the knight timber. 

 

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Knecht version 3.0 in boxwood, getting a little better.  Remove some from the cheek area to make the face more egg shape. 

 

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Knecht 3.0 on the knight timber.

 

Cheers, 

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

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                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

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Hi Piet, the carvings are getting better and better. Jut a few remarks on the shark, should the dorsal fin not be a bit more to the rear(stern :)) and did you leave the left front fin away on purpose. You could show the latter sticking out under the crocs foot.

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Thanks for the comments Remco.  The dorsal fin I was talking about is actually the secondary back fin.  In version 1.0 it's right above the croc's lower jaw and not really visible on the photo but quite evident when holding it in the hand.  In retrospect I'll leave it where I had it in version 1.0 because I carved it a few mm's above the jaw.

I'm glad you brought that dorsal fin issue up.  Now that I look at it again that's what that skinny looking fin is supposed to be.  It needs to be redrawn to make it look like a dorsal fin and carve it as such. This may also change the croc's tail and maybe not even necessary, we'll see.  I'll definitely will add it when I start with the carving. 

It's kinda hard to draw a two dimensional shark in a twist but let me look at it again and see what needs to be done to make it look right in an open /bass relief carving where we have a semi three dimensional figure.

 

I have also worked version 3.0 of the knecht head a little more and he now looks more better ;) (bad spelling on porpose ) .  Still a little more wood away from the back to make the skull and neck more pronounced.  I love to use boxwood rather then a soft wood.  With a sharp #11 or scalpel I can take very tiny cuts off and even scraping, which removes only sawdust. 

 

Thanks to everyone for visiting and putting up with my carving endeavors and your like votes.

 

I do have some good news from my urology doc this afternoon, no trace of cancer.  Bladder looks very good, like new he said and I'm now on a 6 month check schedule.  I'm a happy camper  :D :D

 

More updates on the carving later.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Congrats Piet.  That's even better news than that about the carving.

Mark
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So happy to hear Piet!!!!  :dancetl6:   :pirate41:

 

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Thank you all for your very kind words, it's a great feeling to have so many friends :D

 

Didn't do much today in the shipyard, had a dentist appointment to fill a very small cavity and workd some in the back yard. 

When I looked at the bur he was going to use on my tooth I told him that's exactly the size I need for carving these small knight heads and other carvings.  Guess what he did?  After he was done he gave me that bur!  What a guy :):dancetl6:

Yeah, I showed him the carvings I did and he really liked them.

 

I did do some rearranging of the Surabuaya carving drawing and changed the large dorsal fin to make it look like a dorsal fin. I also changed the position of the large right body fin.  A few more miner changes in the lines and I think I'll start cutting it out and start carving some wood away.  I think it'll look a lot better.  As  progress the dorsal fin may still be changed slightly.  It's better when you see the figures appear out of the flat piece of wood.

 

The knight head was also worked on and is looking better.  A little more off the chin and then I'm calling it okay.  Then the hat.  I think of making it a Java native hat, one of those cone like things.

Now comes the question of the finish - staining it cherry?  Paint?  Kinda difficult to paint this tiny head and make it look okay.

 

Sorry to bore you good folks with more talk and pics of my carving tries but I can really use your input, don't be shy.

 

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This is version 2.1 and shows the changes to the drawing and layout of the subjects.  Yes, the dorsal fin will not have that pronounced curve where it comes of the shark's body.  I think the head is now also in a more realistic position.  The tail is also more shark like .

 

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This is version 3.1 of the knecht head.  I removed quite a bit of wood from the sides to make the head more egg shape.  I also removed some wood from the nape of the neck and will also remove some material from the chin - again. 

 

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Here is version 3.1 on the pulley post - growling at you.  I have already started with the second knecht head,  I'll try using my new very fine bur and see how that works.  The #11 blade does great but is prone to taking too much material away.  The funny thing is that these burs on boxwood don't do that.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

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                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

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                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Piet,

 

Huzza for the good tidings, I'll grab a tot to your health!

 

Concerning the carving ... How was the original treated ... stained: Stain it; painted: Paint it. When I look at what you have accomplished at small scale, even by your unbreakable perseverance, I wouldn't worry overtly. You'll get it right ... I know it

 

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Glad you reminded me Piet....

I had not visited this build in so long, it's amazing how much you've done since I last dropped in. She's just beautiful mate.

Your hinged gun port lids are just beyond crazy good.

Ain't carving fun?!! Nice work.

 

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Congrats on your clean bill of health, I know that's gotta be a load off your mind...... Nice!! work on the carvings....

 

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First of all my thanks to all for visiting and your likes.

 

@ George:  Thank you for the kind word.  Yes, they are fiddly parts but it's rather relaxing and making sure I don't slip with the #11 blade ;):o   So far I have lucked out.

 

@ Carl:  Thanks for the good words, appreciate it.  Hey, this IS the original so I'll have to wing it, no examples then on paintings and models :(   This ship is of my own design (before I knew better ;) )  I may just stain then, the Javanese people are a light brown anyway and the hats are from woven palm fond leave centers.  

 

@ Dave:  Thank you Dave for dropping by and checking up on me.  Good to see you in the shipyard.  Gun port hinges are indeed crazy, 1/2 mm brass tubing.  Yup, carving is fun and relaxing but slow going.

 

@ Frank:   Thank you also for the good words.  Yes, a good med report is always welcome and a stress relief.  Thanks for the good word on my humble carving efforts.

 

@ Dirk:  Thank you for dropping in and your kind words.  Now you tell me that I don't have to carve every detail in those tiny knechten hoofdjes ;)   I thought they had to look something like people :rolleyes:   No problem though, I do like to work small.

 

@ Lawrence:  Yes indeed it was good news and a load off my poor mind.  The carvings are evolving and hopefully someday they'll look like halfway decent.  Thanks for the undeserved compliment, I'm still learning and trying.  You can do it too my friend, just follow the advice my friend Michael Angelo, carve everything away that doesn't look like Humphrey and you are there, simple ;)

 

Yesterday I made the hats for the two heads.  Carved them from a solid square piece of wood, now that was really fiddly work.  Had to be very diligent and careful because of the grain.  It's so easy to use too much force but here too I lucked out. 

I hollowed the hats out a little to make them appear lower on the heads like they should.  I then cemented them on with a dab of CA.  They still need some extra trimming and now I need to add some hair to the heads.  Or maybe just some flat black paint.

These seemingly small jobs just take so much time but what else is there to do - - - oh yeah, spring yard work and there's a lot.  Have neglected it some so I have to get going before Gwen hires a yardman for mucho dinarie ;)

 

Okay, here is a picture of the two knechten still loosely placed on the pulley beam gizmos.

 

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Cheers,

 

 

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Wonderful knightheads, Piet.  

Mark
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Tought they used smaller hats in Indonesia, Piet ... More cylindrical  These look like the hats used in the rice paddies, etc.all over Asia. Fortunately you know best as beeing born and bred!!! Still, 'chapeau' for the carving ... they do give a nice touch to it

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Piet,

 

I'd like to order 100 pcs of the following figure:

 

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Hight approx. 8 mm.

 

When can you deliver? I have to fill some boxes of the Batavia modelkit..... :)

 

GREAT work you're doing!

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Thank you Mark, Carl, Sjors Hans and Jan for the kudos and thanks to all who clicked the like button.

 

@ Carl: Yes indeed the paddie workers wore them kind of hats but also other folks and kids.  Rather then using a fez or their traditional black fez like hats I chose something unusual.  It's different alright, I wanted something other then the usual knechten you'd see on VOC ships, like Moors as Hans shows.

 

@ Sjors: No my friend, I usually smile and these have a mean looking face ;)  I would be angry too of I had to be perched on top of a post  :rolleyes:    Actually, one looks like the gardener that came around once a week, with one of those pointy hats too  :)

 

@ Hans:  Ah yes, that looks terrific!  I love that carving on the Batavia, well done.  Hmmm, you need 100 of them and in 5 mm?  Better get stated man - - - - - you can make one and make molds so you cast the rest, do like Sawdust Dave does it ;):rolleyes::o

 

@ Jan: Yes, that was a concern to make sure that the ropes don't rub against the hats.  I think I measured it out but one never knows - - - my measurements may be off.  In that case we'll have to go to version 3.0.  Just remove the hats and give them a full head of hair.

 

 

Talking about hair, I did not carve hair on their heads and had to add some, which I did today.  I was thinking of cutting a few pieces from Gwen's head :o  So when i asked for some she told me that if  tried "to be afraid, to be VERY afraid."  So whit that ominous warning I resorted to using cotton from a swab.  Worked okay.  A little glue and dabbing some cotton on, a little trimming and it actually looks kinda like the real thing B)  It even feels soft like hair, no kidding  ^_^

 

Next will have to be painting the faces a light brown with - hopefully - red lips.  Can't give hem rosy cheeks though.  Hey, I'm having fun.

 

I finished version 2.0 of the surabuaya carving this afternoon.  I think it really came out pretty good, even Gwen said it looks great.  I even put teeth in the crock's mouth.  A few bamboo slivers, poked a few tapered holes on the jaw, some CA and shoved the bamboo slivers into the holes.  Then trimmed them to size and carefully shaped them into pointy teeth with my trusted #11 blade.

I stained it rather lightly with cherry, just enough to offset it from the darker counter.  I can now cement the carving to the counter and will use two pins as extra security and strength.  Don't know yet what kind of glue or cement, I'll think about it some.

 

Hey, I kinda like this carving thing, challenging but rewarding when things work out good.  This small stuff is a strain on the eyes though but it's a good thing to exerciser the eye muscles.

 

Next are the carvings for the head-railings up front and the lion!  I'm rather apprehensive about tackling that one but sooner or later I have to do it.

 

Okay, here are a few pics of the work we have done, hope yuns approve.

 

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Here I have placed the unstained version 2.0 carving on the counter with version 1.0 next to it for comparison.  When you click on the picture to enlarge it you may see the teeth.  h yeah, I even added the crock's tail.

 

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A close-up showing the crock's teeth.  This was before I played dentist and cut the teeth a little shorter and shaped them into more crock style teeth.  Sharpened my #11 blade and lucked out again not damaging any teeth.

 

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Here I am holding the carving on the palm of my hand to reduce the glare and also as a indicator to it's size.

 

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The completed carving on the counter about where i think it should go.  There'll be carvings all around including the name plate.

 

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Both knechten have hair now.  Ready for some suntan ;)

 

Cheers,

 

 

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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Wow Piet!! They turned out amazing! A croc with teeth! Next you'll be doing carvings for the Royal William, Wasa, and all those other heavily ornamented ships.  :P

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WoW !!! Your Surabuaya carving looks incredible, Piet.

Fantastic job.

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very nice, Piet, Looking good, nice work on the carvings 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

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