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JesseLee,

 

Sinc your gunports aren't square you could increase the hight by 1 - 2 mm ... they would b touching the rail. Another additional option is to take some weight from the upper and lower parts of the slides aswell, make them thinner

 

concerning your other question. Something between mat and brilliant (we call it satin) the gloss would take it to far

 

Cheers mate

Carl

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Jesse,

I had the same problem with the guns being too high.  I removed most of the lower lug, which you can't really see anyway, and added a pin to secure the cannon to the sled.  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8410-us-brig-syren-by-sald-–-model-shipways/?p=344563 

 

My cannons still ended up a little high in the ports.  I wouldn't mess around with the ports at this stage of the build. (just my opinion)

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Hello Jesse,

As soon as you go with slightly "more substantial" barrels than provided in the kit you run into this problem. My solution to this was exactly what Jparsley suggested: not to worry about it  :). Your carronades look good the way they are. 

 

Thomas

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Jesse,

 

Looking back at some of your previous entries I found this pic - I thought it was weird that the plans called for a larger cannonade than the kit provided, but when the proper size was installed the positioning was off.  I read that you experimented with the thickness of the sled; it's hard to tell scale in a photograph... are your sleds really 1/16th of an inch thick as described in the plans in the photo?  That seems really thin... 

 

I think it may be an academic discussion.... I agree with everyone else's comments. It all looks great as is!

 

Stubby

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  Beautiful work on the Cannons Jesse, I really dig it.   

 

Nicely done, I need to check back in more often - I'm missing too much.

 

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Hi Jesse,

I built a home made mini lathe using a electric hand drill. I am having trouble getting decent cuts with the miniature cutting tools that I have. Did you make some  custom cutters to get those fine lines? If so, care to share?

 

 

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Thanks everyone for all the input, encouragement & advice.

 

By the time everyone began telling me to leave them like they are I had already started thinning down about 5 of the sleds so I'm continuing with that. Picture updates will be coming soon.

 

Michael,  I had a lot of trouble with that too. I don't know if it is my cutting tools or the wood. I got much better results from the mini files. They will give you the finest edges & lines. I used a flat square & a square, & a triangle file to get the shapes I needed. I also used a hobby razor edge to cut the thin line between the 2 raised lips. Hope that helps.

 

Jesse

 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

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to leave 'em or make the adjustments........you can see that there was no real answer.......only the one that you decided on  ;)   personally,  I would have left them too......especially after seeing that picture of the instruction diagram.    your on the right track Jesse.........wonderful progress!  :)

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JesseLee,

 

Remember: it's your build, and we can only say what we would do, or what possibilities are open to you ... you are the docyard super/master shipwright in here ;)

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I have been slowly working on it while I've been sick. Decided to thin the sleds. Had to pop the metal piece off thinned both wooden components and thinned the wheels down a lot too.

 

While all this was being worked on I looked over my ship & saw a lot of battle damage. Replaced a broken bumpkin, glued down a lot of copper plate corners, and glued some gun port lids back on.

 

I also filed the gun port openings slightly, not much but every little bit will help with lowering the carronades. This also gave me a chance to even them up better than I had them before.

 

 

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Very good, Jesse. It looks good to. As you know, slow is good, less chance on mistakes. Glad you are moving on, eventhough you still don't feel good. Hope you feel better soon, you're in my thoughts.

 

Cheers

Carl

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Very nice work on the carronades Jesse, these things always seem to take way longer than they should :-)  Love the detailed close up pics, really nice.

Cheers,
 
Jason


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Thanks for the comments, encouragement & the "Likes".

 

I added a small lip or foot to the brackets. This was very small detail & a lot of extra time but I thought they looked a little better this way. Kept losing the darned little things so I strung them all on a wire loop - lost none after that. Pinned them through the lugs with wire & managed to keep them all movable somehow. (sorry some of the pictures didn't come out focused very well)

 

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 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

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Jesse,

Your killing me. Every time I walk past the Syren box, it feels like something is grabbing me by the throat. As soon as I finish my Endeavour, or probably while I am still rigging which begins in a day or so, I will start my Syren. I hope I enjoy the build because everything I do will have to measure up to your Syren, (not a chance), the Gold Standard  of Syren building.

 

A joy to watch your ship take shape

 

By the way, what are you using to take your great photos, especially the close ups?

 

Regards

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It's so good seeing you back at the bench JesseLee.  Good idea on the lowering method of the carronades, that'll work.  Some very nice micro work on the carronade brackets too.  Keep at it my friend, your ship is looking really great.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

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Thanks Michael, Jeff, Piet, Ken and Carl !

 

Michael, this is the camera I'm using. I don't know a thing about cameras. My wife gave it to me for Christmas last year just so I could do pictures of my build logs. It does pretty good but does not get really close up like I've seen others be able to do. One problem I have is I dropped it last year in the parking lot at a pier when we went to the beach. Now the screen showing what you are seeing is messed up from the drop & I can only see the edge on one side. I can't see if my pics are centered or in focus so I have to guess then take the smart card thing out , put it in the computer & see if it is ok. If not I have to go back & try it again.

 

Jesse

 

 

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Jesse, I use the same camera. :) Although I carry it, treating it like it was a baby. :rolleyes:

My last little DSLR got dropped and would never focus properly afterwards. :angry:

Ken

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Jesse

 

I got the same one, but for the colour. It's used for the quick pics. However, it doesn't do close ups very well. I use a Canon EOS 400D for that. An oldy but it does the trick. I try not to drop them ... so far I've managed ... knock on wood. The digital stuff is so much more vulnerable unfortunately. Sometimes a mere sneeze will damage it

Carl

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Same here !!

(Except mine is blue)

:cheers:

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Thanks Jeff, I just checked out your build log. looks very good!

 

Well, I haven't posted anything but I have been working on putting the tiny hooks in the blocks that will be on the carronades. There are so many of them it takes a while, not much to show yet. 

 

Still pretty sick but going with the admiral to take our daughter to college & get her moved in. It will be very hard on me physically & I'll probably cry like a baby when we leave her. Hope to post some pictures of the progress when we get back this weekend.

 

Jesse

 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

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Eventhough it is a kind of parting, you should find joy in your daughter's next step in life. I know you're proud of her ... I can only guess at the train wreck feeling you'll experience to make the trip. It will probably mean a lot to your daughter. I wish you lots of strength and a safe trip to you and your travel companions

 

Hope you feel better soon

 

Cheers

Carl

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Hi JesseLee, hang in there babe.  Crying is okay my friend but it's only temporary.  Happens to all who have children, at some day they have to fly the coop.  Please say hi to her from that old crazy Dutch guy she met last year and wish her all the best.

 

Hugs for your dear wife and daughter.

 

Cheers,

Piet, The Flying Dutchman.

 

"Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends."  (old Chinese proverb)

 

Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942

                       VOC Ship Surabaya

 

Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000

 

Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi."  Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp,  Buginese fishing Prauw.  Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser.

 

Completed Builds:   Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine

                             Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands

                             Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner -

                             Friendship Sloop Gwenfra

                           Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack    

                             Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)

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