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HM Cutter Sherbourne by jonny.amy - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 - Kit Bash


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Hi Jonny,

 

I have been away from modelling for a while and found your build log during a trawl through the files at MSW. The diorama concept you have here is a great idea and a world away from a ship in a box. Nice work.

 

I have a question about the figures you used. I think I recognise some as Amati but can you let us know who makes them? It would be useful to know of a source of figures.  I think a few figures even on a static display are essential to show the scale of a model.

 

Best regards

George Bandurek

George Bandurek

Near the coast in Sussex, England

 

Current build: HMS Whiting (Caldercraft Ballahoo with enhancements)

 

Previous builds: Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft) and many non-ship models

 

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Hi George, thanks for stopping by.

 

The Amati figures are the 25mm tall figures, but really are a bit small. The Marines in the background are Perry Minitures 28mm Scale, Battle of Waterloo British Rifles. They are probably the correct scales for the model as a 6 foot tall man at 1:48 is 54mm tall, and 1:72 figures are 25mm tall, so my guessing is that the 28mm tall figures are the correct scale for 1:64.

 

I'd suggest looking online for Perry Minitures, and seeing if you can find any farm workers, or peasants to go alongside the military personnel as the sailors. These proved to be as illusive as rocking horse ****, but I'm sure if enough effort is put in to it you can find some.

 

 

I need to build a display case for the model, but that may have to be a job for next year now.

 

Cheers

Jonny

Current Build:
 
Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne Kit Bash - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10547-hm-cutter-sherbourne-by-jonnyamy-caldercraft-kit-bash-scale-164/#entry317289
 
!!!ON HOLD!!! Mantura/Sergal HMS President - Scale 1:60 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5589-hms-president-by-jonnyamy-circa-1760-sergal-160/
 
In the Pipeline:
 
18th Century Longboat - Scale 1;48 - - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11273-18th-century-longboat-model-shipways-by-jonnyamy/
 
Completed Builds:
 
40 Foot Gaff Cutter - Solid Hull Concept Model
 
Caldercrafter HM Mortar Vessel Convulsion - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8593-hm-mortor-vessel-convulsion-by-jonnyamy/
 
SCRATCH BUILD - Vagabond 19 foot Sloop - Scale 1:20 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10172-vagabond-19-6-keel-sloop-pob-scale-120-by-jonnyamy-small/#entry302726

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Jonny,

 

Thanks for the info about Perry Miniatures, they are a new name to me. I have used the Amati 25mm figures which are nicely proportioned unlike some wargame figures that have big heads and big hands. One wargame supplier that I do recommend for dioramas is Newline Designs who have a 20mm range and a 28mm range (look under Napoleonics - Naval for each scale).

 

I have a book about HMS Bellerophon which shows the heights of all the crew, as recorded by her captain. A few officers got to 6 feet tall but the sailors were much below that. A typical height for a crewman was 5 foot 4 inches, which scales down to one inch in 1/64. A 25mm tall figure is very close to the average and the spread would have been between about 23mm and 28mm.The nice figures in 1/72 scale that I have seen are too small and many of the '28mm' are too large unless you want to depict some big blokes. One other thing I learned about the wargames figures is that a stated height can be to the eyes, or to the top of the head, or to the top of the hat.

 

Painting the figures is a pleasant change from tying ratlines. :)

 

George

George Bandurek

Near the coast in Sussex, England

 

Current build: HMS Whiting (Caldercraft Ballahoo with enhancements)

 

Previous builds: Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft) and many non-ship models

 

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George,

 

With the Perry Miniatures, the figures have a circular base attached to their feet, this is very hard plastic, but can quite easily be cut off with a razor saw, clamping the figure in a vice. Sand the feet clean, paint the figure and glue them to the deck. Easy!

 

I've just looked at Newline Designs and their figures look anatomically correct for a model in that scale. The problem (as you have highlighted) is that most suppliers of 28mm tall figures have overly large heads, hands, and feet. The problem with the Amati 25mm figures is that they look too small on a 1:64 model (although they are designed for 1:64 to 1:54). I think the decision on which size to buy should be based on visual inspection of a painted figure whilst on deck. I found it difficult to gauge the size of the unpainted figure.

 

That sounds like a very interesting book, can you please post an Amazon link?

 

I have found that the Perry figures (Battle of Waterloo 1815 Riflemen) are slightly too tall with their hats on (about 32mm with hats), but in the background of Sherbourne they look correct. Perry also sell American Civil War gun crews, which I think would look fairly good on a ship below decks. The plastic used is fairly malleable, so alterations are fairly easy.

 

Hahaha yes it is, I would tie 5 ratlines, paint 1 figure, tie 5 ratlines, repeat!

 

Cheers

Jonny

Current Build:
 
Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne Kit Bash - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10547-hm-cutter-sherbourne-by-jonnyamy-caldercraft-kit-bash-scale-164/#entry317289
 
!!!ON HOLD!!! Mantura/Sergal HMS President - Scale 1:60 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5589-hms-president-by-jonnyamy-circa-1760-sergal-160/
 
In the Pipeline:
 
18th Century Longboat - Scale 1;48 - - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11273-18th-century-longboat-model-shipways-by-jonnyamy/
 
Completed Builds:
 
40 Foot Gaff Cutter - Solid Hull Concept Model
 
Caldercrafter HM Mortar Vessel Convulsion - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8593-hm-mortor-vessel-convulsion-by-jonnyamy/
 
SCRATCH BUILD - Vagabond 19 foot Sloop - Scale 1:20 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10172-vagabond-19-6-keel-sloop-pob-scale-120-by-jonnyamy-small/#entry302726

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'Billy Ruffian' by David Cordingly is an enjoyable history of the Bellerophon, find it on Amazon or other places. My memory served me badly about the heights of the crew: the average was 5 feet 5 inches and none was above 6 foot. One was under 5 foot tall.

 

George

George Bandurek

Near the coast in Sussex, England

 

Current build: HMS Whiting (Caldercraft Ballahoo with enhancements)

 

Previous builds: Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft) and many non-ship models

 

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Hi all,

 

I have ordered some the pre-routed display case sections from CMB which should be arriving today. My first attempt at display case building wasn't the greatest effort. So from the lessons learnt from that, I've splashed out and bought the pre-fabricated sections that I can simply cut to length and glue together.

 

The Admiral is out for the weekend, so I plan to utilise the free time for swilling coffee and building the display case. I'll post photo's when I get started.

 

George - I had looked at the "Billy Ruffian" book on amazon and thought that would be a "nice to have" book. I didn't realise it went in to such a depth as listing all the crew members heights. I'll definitely have to buy that now as I'd love to build Bellerophon some day.

 

Cheers,

Jonny

Current Build:
 
Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne Kit Bash - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10547-hm-cutter-sherbourne-by-jonnyamy-caldercraft-kit-bash-scale-164/#entry317289
 
!!!ON HOLD!!! Mantura/Sergal HMS President - Scale 1:60 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5589-hms-president-by-jonnyamy-circa-1760-sergal-160/
 
In the Pipeline:
 
18th Century Longboat - Scale 1;48 - - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11273-18th-century-longboat-model-shipways-by-jonnyamy/
 
Completed Builds:
 
40 Foot Gaff Cutter - Solid Hull Concept Model
 
Caldercrafter HM Mortar Vessel Convulsion - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8593-hm-mortor-vessel-convulsion-by-jonnyamy/
 
SCRATCH BUILD - Vagabond 19 foot Sloop - Scale 1:20 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10172-vagabond-19-6-keel-sloop-pob-scale-120-by-jonnyamy-small/#entry302726

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Hi all,

 

I received the display case sections on Tuesday for Sherbourne. Over the last 48 hours I've been building the side panels for the display case. It's going a lot better than my previous attempt, but I've found the glue I am using to glue the panels in place takes over 24 hours to dry properly, so progress is slow. I've also notice the backboard of the display has started to sag so will need bracing back until it is square again. I hope to make some headway tonight and tomorrow.

 

Cheers

 

Jonny

Current Build:
 
Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne Kit Bash - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10547-hm-cutter-sherbourne-by-jonnyamy-caldercraft-kit-bash-scale-164/#entry317289
 
!!!ON HOLD!!! Mantura/Sergal HMS President - Scale 1:60 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5589-hms-president-by-jonnyamy-circa-1760-sergal-160/
 
In the Pipeline:
 
18th Century Longboat - Scale 1;48 - - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11273-18th-century-longboat-model-shipways-by-jonnyamy/
 
Completed Builds:
 
40 Foot Gaff Cutter - Solid Hull Concept Model
 
Caldercrafter HM Mortar Vessel Convulsion - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8593-hm-mortor-vessel-convulsion-by-jonnyamy/
 
SCRATCH BUILD - Vagabond 19 foot Sloop - Scale 1:20 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10172-vagabond-19-6-keel-sloop-pob-scale-120-by-jonnyamy-small/#entry302726

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Merry (belated) Christmas everyone...

 

I've not had much time working on the Sherbourne case recently due to Christmas, my Victory window display, and the longboat, but I'll get on it soon. I currently have a puppy asleep on my lap, so there won't be any sawdust being made today, but I'm back to work on the 4th, so I still have plenty of time.

 

I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and that Santa or the Admirals got you all new kits and tools.

 

Cheers,

Jonny

Current Build:
 
Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne Kit Bash - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10547-hm-cutter-sherbourne-by-jonnyamy-caldercraft-kit-bash-scale-164/#entry317289
 
!!!ON HOLD!!! Mantura/Sergal HMS President - Scale 1:60 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5589-hms-president-by-jonnyamy-circa-1760-sergal-160/
 
In the Pipeline:
 
18th Century Longboat - Scale 1;48 - - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11273-18th-century-longboat-model-shipways-by-jonnyamy/
 
Completed Builds:
 
40 Foot Gaff Cutter - Solid Hull Concept Model
 
Caldercrafter HM Mortar Vessel Convulsion - Scale 1:64 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8593-hm-mortor-vessel-convulsion-by-jonnyamy/
 
SCRATCH BUILD - Vagabond 19 foot Sloop - Scale 1:20 - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10172-vagabond-19-6-keel-sloop-pob-scale-120-by-jonnyamy-small/#entry302726

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