MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #31 Posted July 8, 2015 Here's where it got interesting for a new guy -- the mysterious world of planking the hull. I don't have a lot to add to the instructions and the excellent build logs of the experienced folks. I would like to hear from others on their techniques for clamping the planks. I found the "binder clip" plank holders a great help at the beginning, but needed other methods when the hull got "curvy" or the balsa blocking got in the way. Here's a pic of a few ways I found to clamp the planking with appropriate inward and downward pressure. The binder clip upside down A small binder clip with a piece of planking A piece of scrap wood pulled down snugly with a rubber band T-pins are useful in some situations GuntherMT and SkerryAmp 2 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #32 Posted July 8, 2015 Paused the planking to add the tree nailing. I used the technique used in the instruction manual of drilling holes and filling them with filler. I first tried a 3/64" bit, but that turned out to be too big for my tastes. A 1/32" bit worked well. I used a pin vise drill. I bet a Dremel tool with a flex shaft would have been a lot easier but I couldn't find my extra small chuck adaptor to hold the very small drill bit. GuntherMT 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #33 Posted July 8, 2015 The instructions show the wales painted black at this point. There really is no problem waiting to paint and stain until a bit later. You will do some painting after the hull planking is complete. But, it is very satisfying seeing your treenailing framed by the nice black wales. For that reason I went ahead and painted the wales. GuntherMT 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #34 Posted July 8, 2015 Planking nearing completion. Even though the hull will be covered with copper, I am trying my best to do a decent job of the planking as a learning exercise for future projects. SkerryAmp 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #35 Posted July 8, 2015 The tight curve at the stern gave me the biggest challenge. I didn't take any pictures, but here's how I handled it. After gluing the plank on from the bow to near the stern, I'd leave the last couple of inches hanging free. I would wrap a very wet piece of paper towel around the plank and let it soak for while (20-30 minutes) until vey soft. That would allow the plank to form around the tight turns. As one plank was soaking, I'd start working on the next plank on the opposite side to keep the job moving. Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #36 Posted July 8, 2015 Hull planking complete. I learned quite a bit. Even tried a couple stealers. Now just need to do a lot of sanding. SkerryAmp 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #37 Posted July 8, 2015 Adding the stern post…. SkerryAmp 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #38 Posted July 8, 2015 So far, I've been building on top of my "DeskMate". But to draw the waterline, I finally had to put together a building board. I also used some scrap MDF to make my waterline marking jig borrowing ideas from the many samples on the website. SkerryAmp 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #39 Posted July 8, 2015 I painted above the waterline, actually going about 1/8" below the line to make sure there were no uncovered areas when the coppering reached this area. I was cheap and used regular masking tape. I tried my best to get good adherence with the tape but still had some bleeding under the tape. That's not a big deal on the hull where it will be covered with copper, but it's a really big deal when it bleeds on to the planking around the gun ports. That ended up costing me extra time doing extra sanding. I've read about good results using Tamiya masking tape on other building logs. Probably a good investment. And that brings me up to date. Gahm, _SalD_, SkerryAmp and 3 others 6 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 8, 2015 Share #40 Posted July 8, 2015 That's a LOT of progress. Glad you decided to plank as well as possible even though she'll be coppered. Just one suggestion --- you might want to invest in a set of smaller drills...... sizes #60-80. They will come in handy very often as you move through the build. _SalD_ 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #41 Posted July 8, 2015 Thanks for the suggestion Augie. I suppose that's a special order item. I doubt Sears has those bits on the shelf. GuntherMT 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 8, 2015 Share #42 Posted July 8, 2015 Local hobby store may have them. Model Expo and MicroMark have them in sets. Not really expensive. They are generally used with a smaller pin vise as they won't take much force. MD11pilot 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted July 8, 2015 Share #43 Posted July 8, 2015 Thanks for the suggestion Augie. I suppose that's a special order item. I doubt Sears has those bits on the shelf. Amazon is one of my best friends. I should own their stock. I found this set very nice, as it comes with 5 of each size, in a nice case that has plenty of space to label each spot with both metric and english measurements for easy reference, and you *will* break those little buggers. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002O0G0ZS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00 MD11pilot 1 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share #44 Posted July 8, 2015 That looks perfect Brian. Thanks for the link. Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimz66 Posted July 8, 2015 Share #45 Posted July 8, 2015 Looking good Eric.... keep it going. MD11pilot 1 Quote Current/But Not immediate Build Logs I am still gathering the tools I need but starting preliminary work. Nothing to show just yet. Fair American Armed Virginia Sloop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 9, 2015 Share #46 Posted July 9, 2015 Eric, just rediscovered your build, I'm glad you were able to start again. Your planking looks terrific. augie and MD11pilot 2 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundorph Posted July 27, 2015 Share #47 Posted July 27, 2015 Great skills there.. Hard to see you are a first-timer. Cant imagine how great the next ship will look... keep up the good work. You have convinced me that the Syren is gonna be my next build instead off the Granado from Caldercraft... Gundorph _SalD_ and augie 2 Quote Current Build: U.S. Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundorph Posted August 4, 2015 Share #48 Posted August 4, 2015 And so I ordered the Syren... What a great day... Landlubber Mike, MD11pilot and augie 3 Quote Current Build: U.S. Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share #49 Posted August 6, 2015 Welcome to the Syren club Gundorph! I'm looking forward to following your progress. Gundorph 1 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundorph Posted August 6, 2015 Share #50 Posted August 6, 2015 Thanks. I will receive the kit on Monday from CMB. I'm looking forward to it... Quote Current Build: U.S. Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share #51 Posted October 1, 2015 Okay, I admit it - I'm really lousy at keeping my log up to date. So here's some catching up... After completing the exterior planking, I paused for a couple days just looking at the ship and taking stock. Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw. Specifically, the treenailing was garish. Too big, and too dark. So I made the decision to paint the planking yellow ochre, thereby covering up my mistake. I actually like it painted, even though that was not my original intent. The treenailing faintly shows thru the paint giving a nice effect in my opinion. Gundorph, SkerryAmp, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share #52 Posted October 1, 2015 The transom is thinned down to proper thickness. GuntherMT, SkerryAmp and _SalD_ 3 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share #53 Posted October 1, 2015 The Interior of the transom is planked and painted. _SalD_ and GuntherMT 2 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #54 Posted October 2, 2015 Next I worked on the moulding strips for the transom. I wanted to prebend the strips to ease the process of attaching them to the transom. So I made a simple jig, using the plans to create the correct curve. After soaking the strips, I attached them to the jig and let them dry. As you can see in the picture, even after drying completely, the strips did not hold the curve completely. So if you use this technique for your ship, exaggerate the curve a little bit on your jig. GuntherMT and _SalD_ 2 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #55 Posted October 2, 2015 I wanted to add beading to the moulding strips, as pictured in Chuck's instructions. I tried to create the bead on the strips freehand, but just couldn't get a straight line. My stylus would follow the grain and drift off the centerline ruining the piece. So I made a very simple jig out of scrap material. It's nothing more than a couple pieces of planking glued on top of plywood creating a channel just wide enough for the the moulding strip. I predrilled a hole to tightly hold a T-pin just poking thru the center of the channel. By pulling the strips thru this jig I was able to get a decent beading effect. Adding the moulding to the transom... GuntherMT, _SalD_ and SkerryAmp 3 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #56 Posted October 2, 2015 Cap rail and "fashion pieces" added. Like most folks, it took a couple tries to get the cap rail right. STSCM, SkerryAmp, _SalD_ and 1 other 4 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #57 Posted October 2, 2015 Preparing for the interior bulwark planking. I couldn't stand the thought of thinning down the bulwarks with a sanding block, so I used my electric detail sander. To keep the edge of the sander from chewing up the deck framing too much, i laid down a layer of duct tape. Then the planking is laid in. Since the interior planking is flush with ports, I elected to overlay the planking over the ports, then cut flush with the hobby knife and sand to match. SkerryAmp, _SalD_, STSCM and 1 other 4 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #58 Posted October 2, 2015 Interior planking complete and painted….. GuntherMT, SkerryAmp and _SalD_ 3 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted October 2, 2015 Share #59 Posted October 2, 2015 Really nice job Eric, I like the effect of the nails through the color as yo mentioned - looks great! I know this is your first kit - but wouldn't know it!! I'm adding your syren to my follow list - I have one myself, sitting on the shelf and will stay there for now - partly because of other kits to get done first but mainly out of fear!!! =) Great job - keep er going!!! MD11pilot 1 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share #60 Posted October 2, 2015 Added the companionway framing…. GuntherMT, _SalD_ and Gundorph 3 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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