HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle

[Cabbie]

Hi Paul thank You

I made a former using a perspex type material, but the trouble is that

the shape keeps changing as you go down the hull. Yes, i am going

to form the planks using the hull, but I will let them dry in place, and then do

a final fit, and glue in place.

[Cabbie]

Hi Paul thanks for the info,

I have been looking at the pdf and it certainly looks a challenge.

I just think that if i have a go with the 1st planking I will

have a better idea with the second.

i am hoping not to paint as i am finishing with the Jarrah planking.

Cheers Chris

[shipaholic]

Hi Chris

As Paul said the Endeavour is a hard hull to plank because of the boxy shape. If you look at my build log on page 1 and 3 you will see that I needed to use a lot of stealers and tapered planks. The top layer planks are thin so they don't like curving laterally, therefore I just let them lay how they best could on the darker lower planks.

For the sides above the main wale I wanted to simulate the upwards curve of planks on a real ship and it was a real task, when you try to curve them laterally they want to kink and buckle and it's hard to keep them flat against the hull until the glue sets. I had to use lots of clamps to keep the planks from buckling, fitting one plank at a time then waiting for the glue to set.

Cheers

Steve

[Cabbie]

Ok Haven't got too far and the first pot hole has been hit.

The garboard plank is laying way too flat, needs to be much more upright. So I have decided to take them off

and add a little filler block, and reshape.

I think that there was a upturn in the filler block, but i took it off because i couldn't see what it was doing.

When I drew in a roughy of the planking it had that big round curve in it.

That is something I do not want

 

I might take out some of the filler inside the black line,

but will do the other bit first and see what it looks like.

Hooroo Chris

Edited November 19, 2015 by Cabbie

[dgbot]

You are off to a great start Cabbie,  And good luck on your planking.  As was stated apple bows are a bearcat and require rethinking and patience.  At Manitowoc one year I saw a Model of the Endeavor with a perfect looking hull.  Wish I could find the photos.  The guy told me that he first laid out battens to get an idea of how the planks would run then using templates proceeded to spile and fit everything.  Since it was a scratch build with single planking he had to be right the first time.  Figuring out the drop planks and where to put them was the hardest part.  But the end result was worth it.  By utilizing battens you might find it easier to do that hull.  Keep having fun.

David B

[Cabbie]

Good Evening all

A little bit more progress, I decided that if I was going to do the first planking in a proper manner,

I should have the correct place for it to finish. So I decided to go to the the top and and start planking

down, which is only going to be single planking.

Which i gave a quick sand and coat of poly to see what it was looking like,

and it is coming up pretty good. This time I have applied the wax pastel to

both edges of the planks and it stands out a bit more.

 

Planking down at the keel caught me by surprise, I should have started

thinking about steelers a bit sooner, now i need to add 2 together.

 

Now to think about the various port frames and doors. My first big problem.

Do I use the supplied metal ones, which to my inexperienced eye don't look to bad.

I would struggle to make and hinge wooden ones especially the small ones.

They measure 8mm X 8mm

 

Can someone tell me what this port under the transom is doing. I hadn't seen it until looking at these photos

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/endeavourvoyages/9022930796/in/album-72157634081735926/

 

Have a look at her when she is finished, looks nice and new again.

 

Also I need to work out channel positions, which I hope to do by looking at photos

Time to go off and look and see what others did.

Thanks for looking Cheers Chris

Edited November 28, 2015 by Cabbie

[hof00]

Hi Chap,

I hope to post some photos tomorrow.

Wish I could offer some advice.

 

Am doing the Double Plank stuff, 2/3 the way through 1st planking.

Sorry, doesn't help you at this stage....

 

Cheers....HOF.

[Cabbie]

No worries Hof Thanks for looking in.

Doing something like this certainly keeps you occupied.

Will keep an eye out for your log

Hooroo Chris

[hof00]

Hi again Chap,

From what I recall, you are doing a Single POB? Kauri?

Don't worry too much about the accessories until you Hull is fully planked, (Filled, if necessary, mine is.), then worry about "Embellishment Stuff."

I have the same sort of Hatches, Etc, in my kit. Would I use them? Most probably.

 

Chain Whales, (Channels), Hatch positioning, Etc, Don't worry, these will come later.

Finish your Hull first, all that comes after will "Flow." if you get my drift.

 

Most important, take your time!! (These things, (Model Ships), take ages!! (Or can do.)

 

Cheers....HOF.

Edited November 28, 2015 by hof00

[DaveRow]

Hi Chris,

Don't rush it that's all say,

 

My second planking layer, on average took 1 plank per day(part time).

By the time you sort out the length(placement of the ends to match a pattern), cut to rough length, taper if needed, bevel edges, work out how to hold for gluing, Actually do the final gluing, clean-up etc. all takes time.

 

Have fun.

 

 

Dave R

[Cabbie]

Good afternoon all

Time for a bit of an update myself.

I have been plodding along with planking above the wales, which still needs to be sanded properly

And  doing the 1st planks below, which i am trying to do in a proper manner in order

to get a good idea of what will happen with the 2nd planks.

 

Yes i know that I am a messy planker,

perhaps time will help with that.

Cheers Chris

Edited December 13, 2015 by Cabbie

[mtaylor]

Chris,

 

One suggestion.... don't get enthusiastic about putting poly on everything just yet.  If (or maybe it's actually "when") you have glue a part to what has been polyed, the glue won't stick.   Many of us have found this out the hard way. 

 

You doing good on the planking.  Don't rush it, run some battens and work the planking in small areas.  It's a pain, but worth it when the planking is done.

 

I'm thinking you ran the garboard too far forward.  It looks like your planks at the bow are running  up.  But then as I recall, they do on the replica also.   Hmm.. since this is first planking, see how it goes and apply what you find to second layer. 

[Cabbie]

Hello Mark thanks for looking in and commenting.

I'm like a kid in a toy shop i can't wait to see what something looks like when I do it.

So the poly goes on, its only one coat and can be sanded back when i need to glue something.

 

"Hmm.. since this is first planking, see how it goes and apply what you find to second layer."

 

Yes that's the idea, try things and see how it turns out.

One thing that i have been pondering is, the stern planking on the replica.

 

It appears to me that there are no steelers used and I have been wondering how they got past

bulkheads 13 and 14, where the planks would need tapering and steelers adding.

 

 

I now think they did it by dropping planks under the wales, as at the bow.

And that allowed for an even run of planks to run through to the stern.

As in this photo    https://www.flickr.com/photos/endeavourvoyages/9020703145/in/album-72157634081735926/

 

I suppose if I asked the question someone would have told me, but I enjoy nutting it out. Hopefully it

will make me remember more, how to do planking.

 

Anyway this effort on the first planking has been well and truly worth it. When it come to the 2nd planks

hopefully I will have it worked out.

Thanks to others as well for likes and comments.

Cheers Chris

 

 

Edited December 16, 2015 by Cabbie

[DaveRow]

Hi Chris,

I believe you're on the right track.

 

My first planking layer, I dropped planks as in the picture below.

 

I had never planked a model when I did my first layer, so as you have, tried it out for practice for the 2nd layer.

Some of the 1st layer I just tapered, but it did provide what I was in for with the 2nd layer.

So the second layer I ended up with dropped and steelers, as the shape chnages to the stern.

 

I rebated the planks into the keel, so it(keel) remained at 5mm - I think it is.

 

Keep the good work up Chris, coming along nice.

 

 

Dave R

[Cabbie]

Good Evening Dave

I'm glad this first layer is going to be covered up, its ending a bit of a mish mash of planking

Wide tapers, narrow tapered planks, all sorts of bending going on. A plan to

begin with probably would have helped, but it would have gone out the

window pretty quick, given I didn't know what I was doing.

 

But it is all definitely helping me to work out how to do the 2nd planking and

well worth while and good fun.

 

I've just noticed something that i have done with the above wales planking that I don't like,

more about that later while i mull over what to do about it.

 

Cheers Chris

[ca.shipwright]

Chris,

On my endeavor, I finished the second layer planking down to the bottom of the location of the wales plus one plank.This allows me to use a thinner plank  by 0.5mm for the wale placed over the second plank. The benefit to this is it is much easier to bend a thin plank than say a1.5mm plank. Visually there will be no difference.

 

Regards

[Cabbie]

Good Morning Micheal

I have been thinking about doing something like that. I am going to

do my wales the same as the replica I hope, and being thinner they will be easier

to cut with a blade.

I might be doing a second layer above the wales as well, not totally

happy with how it looks.

Cheers Chris

[Cabbie]

Good Afternoon all

First planking fully done, a week off work helps.

Bit I am not happy about gaps in what is supposed to be single planking

at the bow. you can see through the planks.

 

Sanding has been done , but it needs a few spots of filler, went through the planks

on the bow. Just as well there is filler blocks underneath.

I think that I will do a second layer above the wales as well, wont be happy

if I leave, as is.

 

A few questions

Do i add the keel, stem, stern post now? I am inclined to leave till after the 2nd planks.

What about the various air holes and openings ect? Cut them in later?

Anything else I should be doing?

Thanks for looking in.

Now off to mark out the wales and planking

Cheers Chris

 

Edited December 29, 2015 by Cabbie

[hof00]

Hi Chap,

Not as far progressed as yourself.... (A bit slack....)

Once you are happy with filling/sanding the 1st planking, A/L adv. to fit the Stem/Stern Post Keel.

This seems to be standard practice with A/L. (Have done a couple of these, Bluenose/Mare Nostrum)

 

For the fittings/Hatches and all other stuff, wait until your second planking is completed.

 

My advice only....

[Cabbie]

Hi Hof00, thanks for looking in.

I'm going to do it in my usual back to front style and put them on after,

i think that it will be easier to hold the planks, flat whilst glueing, and easier to sand.

Anyway a few more pics to update.

 

I have placed some planks to see how they lay on the hull.

And surprise,surprise, they crossover at the bow.

The stern was fairly straight forward, I am going to drop 2 planks

under the wales, so that there is not much tapering to do.

 

I have drawn up how they will look, but

it will need refining a bit when i start planking

 

And i have been making the wales to look like the replica.

They are close i think, but my notches?? that make the hooks

are to big to be scale correct.

 

Terminology is going to do my brain in.

I have been looking at the other logs that are rigging and get lost when

they explain what they have been doing.(all beautiful work,

just as well photos are provided)

I am going to have to put some time in to learning this new language.

 

Now off to start glueing on the wales, and then do the planks below.

Cheers Chris

Edited January 5, 2016 by Cabbie

[hof00]

Hi Chap,

Looking good.

 

I personally don't have a problem with "Back to front" as long as the result is what is pleasing to the eye.

At the end of the day,, (My thoughts), it's an art form, a release from the daily "Hum-Drum" of life.

 

Personally, Still stuffing around on the first planking....

 

Enjoy....

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

[hof00]

Sorry Chap,

One further question, are you going to paint?

(Was thinking of leaving mine "Au Natural."

 

Cheers....HOF.

[Cabbie]

Hi again, Harry, you had me tricked for a bit getting a post in while i was editing.

Couldn't see what happened to my post. But all good now

 

Yes its all in the name of good fun, and occupying the brain.

 

Just between you and me I am going to screw the posts and keel on and

cover with a thin strip, no one will notice. I can be pretty rough on the ship.

I nearly broke the keel off on the Swift that i built.

Hooroo Chris

Edited January 5, 2016 by Cabbie

[hof00]

Nice!!

Same problem with the "Post" at this end also.

Did you get the "Native" timber on the Hull or did you use the kit stuff?

(Not clear rom your posts and my interest only.)

 

Be gentle on your Keel Chap!!

 

Cheers....HOF.

[Cabbie]

I am using the Jarrah below the wales and Kauri above. And I suupose that since I have started this way I will have to keep going and cut the rest of the timbers for the ship. Probably mostly using Jarrah. When I get to the masts etc they will have to be cut as well. Chris

[Falco-_-De]

Great build

i will follow with interest

 

Michael

[Cabbie]

Thanks Michael, good to have you on board, and at MSW.

Hooroo Chris

[hof00]

Hi Chris,

Posted reply in my Endeavour stuff in case you didn't see it....

(Unsure how to copy....)

 

Cheers....HOF.

 

 

[Cabbie]

Good Evening to all

A little update to report, Wales have been completed on both sides.

They have not been sanded properly, so hopefully they will

tidy up a bit with the sanding done.

 

I am going to add a single line of Jarrah planks above the wales to

simulate the plain plank on the replica.

This is to separate the wales from the upper planks,

that will be done with the Kauri planks.

Below the wales will be Jarrah planks.

And now off to finish working out the planking below wales

which is what is going to happen next.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Cabbie

[BANYAN]

Hi Chris and a belated welcome to the Endeavour Club - I have been quite remiss in missing your build.  Your progress is good and the results look very promising - especially like the Kaurie deck planking.  You have done well with the wales mate, I didn't even try to joint the wales back when I started.  My build has progressively improved in detail accuracy, as when I started I was just learning how to; now, everything above the deck planks is scratch built.

 

Kaurie is a great planking material, a couple of our club members use it extensively.  Our Club President, whose model features in Karl Marquardt's book, built his model using the skeleton of the AL Kit (backbone and bulkheads) but then everything was scratch built using Kaurie only.

 

I'll join the audience and follow your build from here on in.

 

cheers

 

Pat 

Edited January 10, 2016 by BANYAN