jdbradford Posted October 5, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 5, 2015 Has anyone found a source for blackened or iron-looking eye bolts for rigging cannon? I am not sure I want to purchase the materials used to blacken items. I have tried to paint the brass-looking ones that came with my kit. The larger eye bolts seem to have turned out okay, but the really small ones are a pain. I would love to find another color, other than the shiney brass ones. Thanks, Jeff Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareHook Posted October 5, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 5, 2015 Check out the links on this site http://www.modelboatyard.com/techniques.html Ken mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 5, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 5, 2015 You could try making your own out of blackened wire. You should be able to get blackened wire from jewelry supply store, but if you use the easy to use copper, you'll probably have to do touch-up paint after, as it's fairly easy to scratch the blackened color off while working with it. Canute, wq3296 and mtaylor 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted October 5, 2015 Thank you Ken and Brian. The blackening techniques do not look to hard, so I may try them. I will need lots of patience to create the eye bolts and hooks, so wish my Admiral all the best. LOL Jeff Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareHook Posted October 5, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 5, 2015 They're not a hard as they look, just get a good pair of really small needle nose pliers. I have to admit though, I hate blackening metal, its my least favorite part of ship modeling. BTW craft shops sell black wire in their jewelry section that works well for fabricating your own hooks. Ken Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyboy Posted October 5, 2015 Share #6 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Jeff, Chuck Passaros Syren Ship Model Company have black plastic hooks in sizes 3mm upwards. RHS home page among the advertisers. They look authentic,a lot easier than bending bits of wire which usually look crappy Dave Edited October 5, 2015 by davyboy Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 5, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 5, 2015 If you need something smaller that what Chuck sell, Dafi has photo-etched hooks. davyboy and Canute 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted October 5, 2015 Mark, What is Dafi? Jeff mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 5, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 5, 2015 Thanks!!! To my knowledge nobody sells blackened eyebolts commercially. I wish I could make them from the acrylic I make my hooks out of, but the acrylic doesnt like any type of glue and it simply wouldnt work. Best to just use 28 gauge black annealed wire to make your own eye bolts from scratch. Chuck Jack12477 and Canute 2 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Thank you for the reply Chuck. I will get some hooks ordered and then locate some blackened wire to make eye bolts. Jeff Edited October 13, 2015 by jdbradford Canute 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 5, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 5, 2015 Mark, What is Dafi? Jeff Daniel (aka Dafi) does 1:100 etch for the Heller Victory which work for the very small hooks I'll need for my 1:64 ship. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html I've got both his and Chuck's hooks. Different parts for different items and both are great. Canute 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted October 8, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2015 Jeff if you go the rout of making your own go to a jewelers supply and get your self a pair of round nose pliers. http://www.amazon.com/Beadsmith-Jewelry-Round-Pliers-PL513/dp/B000SNBC74 Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted October 8, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 8, 2015 I've used this method with black annealed wire, it was easy and quick - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3336-securing-eyebolts/#entry107526 There is also this topic - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4308-in-need-of-tips-and-techniques-for-making-eyebolts/#entry123439 Richard Canute 1 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted October 11, 2015 Well, I have tried multiple ways now. I took the eyelets from the kit, roughed them up, primed and then painted black. A real pain in the butt. First, I punched small holes is a block of Styrofoam, and painted them with a brush. They end up spinning around, falling out and the holes get too big. I then drilled about 60 very small holes in a small piece of wood and dropped them in. It worked okay for the larger eyelets, but when I got to the smaller ones, they went down too far in the wood. My next try was using my hemostats to hold the end opposite of the eye and to dip them in the primer first, poke out the excess primer from the eye and then to blow on them to dry them some before setting them down to do the next one. After finishing about 100 of these, I switched over to dipping them in flat black acrylic and going through the same steps to let them dry. These turned out pretty well. I ordered a bottle of the Jax Black and have now tried to brush it on and then tried to let one soak for about 5-10 minutes or so. Neither one worked as the black coating rubbed right off when I picked up the eyebolt. Not sure this will work for me. Jeff Canute 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted October 11, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 11, 2015 Jeff, sounds like you are using your JAX Black on uncleaned surfaces. The instructions say to brush on or immerse clean metal ...... What you think is clean, probably is not clean enough. Metal is fussy when it comes to plating or etching, do some research, probably some cleaning suggestions on the bottle of JAX Black. jud Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjimmy Posted October 11, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 11, 2015 Hi, Jeff....... Try painting them using black india ink. They sell it at most office supply stores. You still have to clean the hooks well, but the ink gives a hint of gloss to the metal. Si Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 12, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Blackening brass is not that difficult and I would suggest to do that rather than paining, etc. For a few bucks you can buy patina from a hobby supply store that handles stained-glass items. It even comes in different colors besides black and it works on iron, copper, and other metals such as the casting stuff (brittany??) For blackening brass wire I would highly recommend that you remove the clear coating that is applied to wire to keep it shiny. Some steel wool will do it. I always do this on a large section of the spool. This also helps if you do any soldering, brazing or bonding with epoxy or CA. Edited October 12, 2015 by Modeler12 Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted October 13, 2015 I scrubbed the brass eyelet with a wire brush, soaked it in vinegar for about 15 minutes, rinsed it in clear water, allowed it to dry and then let it soak in Jax black for about 20 minutes. When I pulled my hemostats out of the liquid, the jaws of the hemostat look great in black. I did not clean them or soak them. The brass eyelet is as brass looking as it ever was. I am ready to give up on this product.Jeff mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted October 13, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 13, 2015 Strange. I find that the Jax Pewter Black works fantastic on copper, brass, and the cast 'white' metal from the kits. It does like to be brushed on though, and I use the Jax cleaner (also brushed). It can be brushed while immersed in the product, or just using a small brush separate, but just immersing it doesn't leave a very even finish, while brushing it on seems to work great. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareHook Posted October 13, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 13, 2015 I believe brushing on works better than immersion because brushing limits the amount of reaction and thickness of black. with immersion, too much black can build up and it loses and adhesion to the surface. Just a thought though based upon my own experience blackening Ken Canute 1 Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbradford Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted October 13, 2015 I will test out trying to brush some on tonight. Jeff Quote Current Build: Model Shipways MS2015 - Fair American Kit bash Previous Build: J-Class Endeavor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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