Erskine Childers Posted September 16, 2019 Share #31 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Bruce Ebay is at fault and it is documented, so there is no he said, she said, ambiguity. I am not persuaded by secret reasons argument as you suggest ... the entire transaction was openly made -no off site deals brokered. You state: " It was immediately after a sale that bypassed all buyers safeguards at the request of the seller." Wrong, when the seller listed the item for 7 day auction he selected money transfer as means of payment from the outset -ebay facilitated that and when bidding was finished ebay prompted payment from me by providing the sellers name and bank details. Ebay then had a button showing in my account for me to manually confirm when I had made the payment (like the feedback button), this part is usually unnecessary because it is automated through Paypal purchases and the payment icon goes positive -the seller had no control over ebay's process. ebay messed up on this one. I have a choice -try and get my money back or get the property I just purchased. The Proxxon is worth more to me and contract law is pretty basic in this instance. Ebay had no lawful authority to upset a contract already concluded -had I not paid as they attempted to suggest then they would have had law on their side. In addition ebay have acted unreasonably by repeatedly refusing to ensure the seller has my address -so they are knowingly acting with wilful obstruction of the contract and liable for the full amount of the lost property. Meanwhile Mr Cazzola (the seller) may be having his own difficulties with ebay and is not at fault because he does not know where to send the Proxxon. Incidently, there is nothing questionable about the price but it bolsters the sellers integrity. All bidders on ebay hope for weak bidding in auctions in order to secure the real bargains --some sellers might prefer to take bad feedback by not honouring the winning bid if they think it is too low -in this case the seller stated that he would honour the low price and send the item -that is impecable integritty for ebay sellers. This is what makes bad press for ebay because if bidders think that low winning bids will not be honoured by ebay then why bid at all -it defeats the chance luck of auctions of winning a bargain. Edited September 16, 2019 by Erskine Childers Added more detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted September 16, 2019 Share #32 Posted September 16, 2019 Actually, with due diligence one should have noted down all the details at the moment the deal was concluded. I would just wait a week and see, whether the item arrives. Still, it makes me wonder, why someone sells a (new?) MF70 at 45US$, while the normal price is ten times that. Looks a bit suspicious. bruce d 1 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted September 16, 2019 Share #33 Posted September 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Erskine Childers said: You state: " It was immediately after a sale that bypassed all buyers safeguards at the request of the seller." Wrong, when the seller listed the item for 7 day auction he selected money transfer as means of payment from the outset -ebay facilitated that and when bidding was finished ebay prompted payment from me by providing the sellers name and bank details. I sympathise with your frustration but suggest you have another look at what I wrote: the seller specified a method that cut out PayPal protection. He did so when the listing was written by him and I have not suggested he did it at any other time. My comments are offered from my own experience, including one rip-off and one near-miss. The pattern of conditions surrounding the listing may have an innocent explanation but the fact remains that something set off alarm bells and prompted action by Ebay, a company that doesn't make money by cancelling sales. Good luck. Bruce Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskine Childers Posted September 16, 2019 Share #34 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Bruce I understand the importance of buyer protection. I understand the dangers but I also know that not everyone has Paypal account. My assessment of the seller was he had an unwanted gift and he just wanted rid of it. I genuinely believe, based on the facts, the seller did not have any bad faith intentions. Ebay is the bad guy here -it caused the loss not the seller. It is a bizare situation and frankly if payment by money transfer is so perilous then why allow sellers to pick that option? If we work with your suspicions then Ebay did not act in my best interests -they allowed a potential scammer to get paid and left me, the unwitting victim, high and dry. Ebay could simply call the sellers bluff by ensuring he has my mailing address. Wefalck From my own experience I often only take the details down when I need them otherwise they would get misplaced. Most ebayers could be forgiven for not expecting to suddenly have one's account shutdown. Still though, this seller may have recorded my postal address before his account was closed. It is a waiting game for now. Edited September 16, 2019 by Erskine Childers correction mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted September 20, 2019 Share #35 Posted September 20, 2019 I have only bought one or two things on EBay and each time that I did so PayPal accepted my credit card. I don’t have a PayPal account. Roger paulsutcliffe, mtaylor and bruce d 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaaslo Posted October 23, 2019 Share #36 Posted October 23, 2019 The main thing is, shouldnt you have your mill by now? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Pavol stands for Paul, Pablo, Paolo etc. Please do not try to pronounce it, just call me Pav... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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