Barbossa Posted December 19, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 19, 2015 Hi All, While studying the plans & making preparations for masts & rigging I've noticed - at first sight- the absence of the crowsfeet at the tops of the main-, mizzen- and foremast in the building instructions. It appears that e.g. HMS Pegasus and HMS Agamemnon possess this accoutrement. And I'm inclined to set up this detail on my Diana. Anyone any thoughts on this ? Anticipated thanks Canute 1 Quote Kind regards Christian "The original always beats the copy" (supportive statement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 19, 2015 Share #2 Posted December 19, 2015 Interesting to say the least. AOTS Diana doesn't show crowsfeet either which I would have thought was pretty standard for the period. Barbossa and Canute 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 19, 2015 Share #3 Posted December 19, 2015 Standard, indeed. Maybe omitted not to scare off less experienced builders? They are fiddly things. Canute, mtaylor and Barbossa 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 20, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 20, 2015 Chalk up another error to AOTS. Barbossa, Canute and druxey 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted December 20, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 20, 2015 Lees makes the comment that Crowsfeet generally ceased to be used by the end of the 18th century. As Diana dates from 1794 I wouldn't be worried by the absence of Crowsfeet. Pegasus on the other hand dates from 1776 where I would expect to see them fitted. Ships of some age such as Victory may have had them fitted originally but they weren't apparent following her refit of 1803. B.E. Canute, Barbossa, Altduck and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbossa Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted December 20, 2015 Hi Gentlemen, thanks for your input, it 's much appreciated. Here's the reason for my trouble : the fitting of those crowsfeet require the drilling of x-number of holes in the curved part belonging to the tops. As you can see : the idea of drilling holes in a piece of walnut no breadther than 2 mm made me feel a bit ...ahum...uncomfortable GuntherMT, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Kind regards Christian "The original always beats the copy" (supportive statement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornet Posted December 20, 2015 Share #7 Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Hi Barbossa. My current build - Caldercraft 'Supply' did not have crowsfeet in the plan either, but I decided to include them. Before drilling the holes required to fit the crowsfeet, I glued the two pieces ( lower tops & lower tops rim) together, then drilled through both using my drill press for accuracy. I only needed to drill 0.8 mm holes as the thread I used to produce the crowsfeet was 0.25mm so there was plenty of room to thread through the holes. If you are worried about the fact that the front of the lower tops rim is only 2mm wide, why not shape and fit anther piece of ply behind it? In fact the laser cut ply that the lower top rim was cut from would already be in that curve. The join could then be filled with a PVA and wood dust filler. Once painted back - I assume you would be painting it, it would not be noticeable. One of my crowsfeet is shown below, admittedly the tops rim on the Supply appears to be a little wider than the Diana, but I think it could still be done. Edited December 20, 2015 by hornet mtaylor, Tadeusz43, joske and 2 others 5 Quote Hornet Current Build: - OcCre Shackleton’s Endurance. Completed Ship Builds: Caldercraft - HM Bark Endeavour. (in Gallery) Caldercraft - HMAV Bounty (in Gallery) Caldercraft - HM Brig Supply (In Gallery) Aeropiccola - Golden Hind - Constitution Clipper Seawitch (maker unknown - too long ago to remember!) Corel - Victory Modeller's Shipyard - A Schooner of Port Jackson - In Gallery - Brig `Perseverance' - In Gallery - Cutter `Mermaid'- In Gallery - Sirius Longboat (bashed) - In Gallery - Sloop Norfolk - In Gallery Completed Cannon: - French 18th Century Naval Cannon - Napoleonic 12 pound field piece - English 18th Century Carronade Non Ship Builds - Sopwith Camel - Artesania Latina - Fokker DR1 - Artesania Latina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbossa Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted December 21, 2015 Indeed Sir, and by doing so, you certainly enhanced your model. Having HMS Pegasus on the shelf, I've found the crowsfeet rigging scheme . Aside from Pegasus' plans I have a Proxxon catalogue at my disposal : a precision tool seems a requirement for drilling those mini-holes. Perhaps, a proposal for Santa Claus ? I think I'll follow your example. Again, I wish to thank everyone for the input and -of course- all the likes hornet, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Kind regards Christian "The original always beats the copy" (supportive statement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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