hopeful Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Sultana Post 18 begin photo 73 Task is to lay the deck and margin plank. I milled the deck boards out of soft maple. In the future I’ll use bass wood or Swiss pear because soft maple is hard to work.The margin plank was made of 2 plybirch plywood. Photo 73 Photo 74 Photo 75 Photo 76 Photo 78 Deck prior to adding treenails BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited March 28, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted March 28, 2013 Post 19 of my Sultana Build Task is to treenail the deck. Used an awl to mark the location of the treenails. Photo 79 Photo 80 Used a size 73 drill for the treenails holes. Photo 81 Finished deck with treemails. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 28, 2013 Share #33 Posted March 28, 2013 Hopeful David, Have you ever used Cherry before? It is a great wood to work with especially if you decide to sstain it ot use paint. Cuts well and holds sharp edge, David B Gentlegiant and russ 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexnut Posted March 28, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 28, 2013 Wow. I've always liked the look of this little schooner, and the work you are doing on this is elevating it much further! The completed deck looks like a much larger scale. pdep86 and Gentlegiant 2 Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted March 28, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 28, 2013 This is some fantastic work on the Sultana! What a great kit and you are doing it real justice! Gentlegiant 1 Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara Current: I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday" - John Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Note to the forum..... David B: I have used cherry but not for boatbuilding. You have encouraged me to take another look. You are right it machines and sands well. What are the best uses for cherry? Bob (hexnut): Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for your kind comments. One of the challenges with the Sultana is that it is in 1:64 scale and very detailed when using Chuck's practicum, priceless. I will start putting something in the photo to give one a better sense of scale. Hull is 10" between the perps, if memory serves. I looked at your "smack" build....nice work, Bob. You must be an illustrator as your drawing is very professional. Wish you well as you move along. Patrick: Thanks for your kind words about my build. I'm building the Sultana to get solid hull experience. Some aspects of the kit have given me problems but that is how we learn. I have and continue to follow your Niagara build, just terrific. Two vessel I really like are the Niagara and the Syren. Ready to enjoy the rigging part of your build! BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited March 28, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 29, 2013 Share #37 Posted March 29, 2013 Several members of my model club swear by it. From framing to planks. Cherry's tight grain makes it an ideal wood for almost everything. And it maybe more easier to get that pear. Your Sultanna is coming along nicely. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted March 29, 2013 Share #38 Posted March 29, 2013 David: I have used cherry for framing, planking, belaying pins, deadeyes, blocks, etc. I made a binnacle cabinet on my battlestation model, granted at a larger scale, but it worked really well. Gentlegiant 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 29, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted March 29, 2013 Note to the forum: Russ & DavidB: Thanks for the update regarding cherry. Did not realize it was so broadly used in boat building. I have a real good wood store close by and will go there and buy some cherry for my wood bin. Good to know, Russ, it has application for making blocks. Have a great weekeng guys BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) . Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 29, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Post 20 Of my Sultana Build Log Next step was to add the remaining strakes above the wales and fair the hull. Photo 82 Photo 83 Planked the counter. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited March 29, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share #41 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Post 21 of my Sultana Build Log Task is to plank and paint the inner bulwarks. Bulwark stanchions are not required with this build. Photo 84 I used the bending plank to prepare the wood for the bow portion of the bulwarks. The planks were painted with a gouache paint. It is water base and dries dead flat....no sheen. One can overpaint easily if touch-ups are required. I went for the paint because of its dead flat character. Photo 85 Am continuing to protect the deck with low tack painters blue tape. The paint work is done with the exception of the interior transom which comes later in the build. Will add the verbage as an edit. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory Kit) Edited March 30, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share #42 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Post 21 of my Sultana Build Log Task is to make and assemble the stem, keel and stern post to the vessel. Parts are of soft maple. Will post photos and follow with dialog later. The stem, keel, and stern post were made of soft maple. In my first build the those parts took a real beating while I was building the vessel. I wanted tough wood for those parts on my Sultana. I decided to make the stem in one piece rather than multiple parts. I took my time to make an almost perfect bow template before cutting wood. I cut the inner part of the stem piece first, and then placed a wider line than required to represent the outer portion of the stem. On the first pass the stem fit the hull almost perfectly. A bit of planning and patience really pays off. I also made part of the bowsprit in order to determine if the stem was high enough for it to rest of the stem This turned out to be a good idea as I had to add a 4mm piece to the inner part of the stem to get it to the right height. You can see the addition in Photo 89 Photo 86 Photo 87 Please notice that the stem was thicker than the keel by a few mm's. I did this on purpose because I new I would never be able to get the two piece to mate perfectly when gluing them together. Once the two parts were glued together I had only a small bit of sanding to do in order make them the same height. Photo 88 Make certain the bowsprit is at the correct angle per the drawings before adjusting the stem. Photo 89 Note an additional piece was added as a place to rest the bowsprit on the stem. Final fit of the stem to the bow. Photo 90 To glue the stem and keel together perfectly flat and true I placed them on a sheet piece of glass. Once the glued dried I only had to sand the joint lightly with 200 grit paper on a wood block. I learned this and many other building techniques from Danny. Photo 91 When fitting the keel and the stem to the vessel I noted that a little putty needed to be added in several places as well a some sanding. With this in mind, I covered the keel and stem with blue tape to protect the parts. Here the keel and stem are glued to the vessel. Pins keep the components centered. Photo 92 Words to follow....... BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited March 31, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted March 30, 2013 Share #43 Posted March 30, 2013 Looking good David, you're making some nice progress (with your small white friend) Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share #44 Posted April 1, 2013 Post 22 of my Sultan Build Log First, Thanks Randy for stopping by. Note you have finiished planking your SF II, nicely done! Repost continued..... Next......Making & fitting the rudder before adding the transom. Photo 93 Photo 94 Photo 95 Must taper the rudder from front to back. Test to see positiong through the deck at this point. Photo 96 BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share #45 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Post 23 of my Sultana Build At this point in the build I made a pine display base for the vessel. I used a base of a model featured in the National Maritime Museum (NMM) as inspiration. This was a fun project. First I drilled three (3) holes through the keel and one inch into the hull 1/16” in diameter using my drill press. The holes will be fitted with 1/16” diameter brass pins 2” long. No need to glue-in the pins, they are to be friction fit only. Do not use tube for the pins as they will break off if you need to make hand adjustment to the hullk to make it straight once mounted. Photo 96 Photo 97 Photo 98 Photo 99 Photo 100 Photo 101 Inorder to get the slope of the base parallel to the water line, I placed a block of wood to the underside of the bow end of the mounting board. Photo 102 When I finish painting the monting board later in the build, I will return to this post and show photos how it was done. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited April 1, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted April 1, 2013 Share #46 Posted April 1, 2013 Nice work David, she's looking good, I like to see models set on keel blocks. Cheers, B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share #47 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Post 24 of my Sultana Build Log Task is to add the wales. First step is to paint the hull an off white from the bottom of the first applied strake consistent with the practicum. Photo 103 Photo 104 To afix the wales I first applied blue tape at the bottom and Timiya tape at the top of where the wale is to be glued in position. The method prevents the glue from sloshing around. End result is a prepainted wale glued to the hull without any hassel what-so-ever. I followed my presious practice of applying a one inch strip of PVA followed by a dot of CA to help the wales stick fast to the hull. The pins hold the wales is place when guled to the hull. Photo 105 BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited April 1, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted April 1, 2013 Share #48 Posted April 1, 2013 I like your base... gives your ship a sense of action in a way.... for lack of a better word. Gentlegiant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Post 25 of my Sultana Build Log Task is to build and add the transom There are two ways to build the transom. One is to built it on the vessel, the second is make and assemble it off the vessel, then add it to the stern as a completed assembly. I decided my best hope was to work off the vessel and add the components to the stern later once finished. This step in the build will really test your patience, it did mine! Go slow. Photo 106 Photo 107 Simple drawing made from my stern. Wood part over sized for now. Photo 108 Material is 2-ply birch plywood. Note the two holes between the 1 & 2nd and the 3rd & 4th window frames. These holes act pilot holes to enable the builder to assemble the three main components together for a perfect overlay of parts later in the build. Take a peak at photo 111 to see the 3 component parts. Photo 109 Dry fit to make sure I am on the right track..... Photo 110 Applying lower moldings..... Photo 111 Three components made to complete transom. One places and glues the components on the vessel one at a time using the guide holes. It is not possible to bend the entire assembly in one piece to the transom. Photo 112 Three components glued together and added to transom prior to trimming edges to final dimensions. Photo 113 Black behind windows is a piece of black film from the center of a comyter disc.The film is very thin and was given to me by Kip (Sawdust). Aternative is to paint behind the windows prior to assembling the transom. Thanks for looking in on the build. Reposting of log almost completed, yeah!!! BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited April 2, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant and sawdust 2 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share #50 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Post 26 of my Sultana Build Log Adding the cap to the transom..... Photo 114 Covered the transom with Timiya tape to protet it while adding the cap....... Photo 115 Bending jig the same radius as the transom.... Photo 116 Testing the fit..... Photo 117 Cap only goes to bottom of lowest part of transom molding. Later a fashion piece will connect the transom to the wales, see drawing in photo 106 in post 25 above. Photo 118 Shows inboard side of transom with cap and finished paint. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited April 2, 2013 by hopeful Blue Ensign, Gentlegiant and avsjerome2003 3 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhermann Posted April 1, 2013 Share #51 Posted April 1, 2013 Dave - that's a nice simple jig - and it certainly does the job well. Looking forward to your log resumption. Bob Gentlegiant 1 Quote Current build -- MS Bluenose Future build - MS Flying Fish "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for." - William G. T. Shedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 2, 2013 Share #52 Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Beautiful job on your build. I had forgotten how nice a job you have done on this. It is looking great. This will be one of the best Sultana build there is. Something for the rest of the builders to try an accomplish. Keep up the great work and thanks for reposting Edited April 2, 2013 by Pete38 Gentlegiant 1 Quote Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share #53 Posted April 2, 2013 Note to the forum.... Bob...Thanks for checking in. I am a few days from restarting the build. Need to finish up the repost log and update my photo editor. Then I am good to go. Thanks for the encourgement. Pete...Nice to hear from you. My build is coming along. Ready for the restart. Mindset is good. Thanks for your kind comments. I had the benefit of readiing all the Sultana logs including yours and mostly applied all that I learned from them. Miss those logs!!! I am following your Triton Cross Section Build. Seems you are having too much fun to ever repost your Sultana Log. BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted April 2, 2013 Share #54 Posted April 2, 2013 The transom is looking really nice. I hadn't thought of building such an integral piece off of the ship and applying it later. Your results speak for themselves though. Gentlegiant 1 Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara Current: I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday" - John Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted April 2, 2013 Share #55 Posted April 2, 2013 Nicely done David! Love that transom. I also like the progression of the pics, they really show the work involved. Randy Gentlegiant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Post 27 of my Sultana Build Log Patrick & Randy: Thanks for stopping by the build. One of the great things about the forum is the learning experience made possible through all the build logs. Next......Wanted a change of pace so went ahead and made the bowsprit and jib boom, great fun. Material used was soft maple. Photo 119 BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build section of forum Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited April 4, 2013 by hopeful Gentlegiant and Chuck 2 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 2, 2013 Share #57 Posted April 2, 2013 The soft maple seems to be working really well for you. Excellent choice. Russ Gentlegiant 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 3, 2013 Share #58 Posted April 3, 2013 Very nice on the jib, maple looks good. Gentlegiant 1 Quote Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 4, 2013 Share #59 Posted April 4, 2013 David: I think you are referring to the bowsprit and the jib boom, right? Russ Gentlegiant 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #60 Posted April 4, 2013 Yes, Russ. You are correct....bowsprit and jib boom. Made correction to my post 25. Thanks for looking in and noticing my error. BFN, David Gentlegiant 1 Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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