Kevin Kenny Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share #361 Posted July 12, 2021 Just termite treated the frames. I plan to work on the stern next, then plank the upper deck, then mover to the external planks. . KentM and bruce d 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share #362 Posted July 12, 2021 Somewhere during this time frame i will get the training on casting the cannons by my friend Bruce. mtaylor and KentM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share #363 Posted July 24, 2021 GrandpaPhil, VACorsair, KentM and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share #364 Posted July 24, 2021 Treated with termite fluid and sealed. GrandpaPhil, druxey, No Idea and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted July 25, 2021 Share #365 Posted July 25, 2021 Nice job Kevin. That’s a particularly difficult part of the model. Might be worthwhile to mock up the stern lights to make sure each of the spaces are symmetrical. I had an issue here that came back to bite me later. Treating for termites is not something most of us have to worry about! KentM and mtaylor 2 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 25, 2021 Share #366 Posted July 25, 2021 I agree with Greg, Kevin: the port side outer timber appears to be (in the photo at least) too vertical. This throws the spacing of the inner timbers and will affect the stern gallery lights. Best check this before you commit to further construction. mtaylor and KentM 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted July 27, 2021 Share #367 Posted July 27, 2021 That Greg guy sounds like a pain in the ****! He (I) made a similar error and had to massage my stern lights into the proper locations by filing the counter timbers later on. Not ideal! Your new plan is the way to go. Do not precut the mortises in the transom until it is fit. Then measure the distance between the outer counter timbers at their extreme upper inner tips as well as their distance across the wing transom. Compare to David's plan. If all is to spec then you can cut your mortises according to plan after establishing the centerline on the transom. If one or the other distance is off then you will have massage the transom mortises to insure that all recesses for the lights are symmetrical. Make sure tot use the Elevation of Counter Timbers (chapter 7.1) illustration as a reference for those distances. Stay the course Kevin. This is tough stuff! AON, No Idea, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share #368 Posted July 27, 2021 The error was on the port stern end that had come in too much. I have since sanded it down so both ends are now equi distance. Ill take a breath. Remake the transom piece. Establish the center line and then cut the mortises. Yea, that Greg fella is a pain. Thank goodness. This would have been horrible to fix later on. Thanks. K KentM, dvm27, AON and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share #369 Posted July 28, 2021 The error. KentM, Ryland Craze and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share #370 Posted July 28, 2021 Fixed the problem. IMG_1069.MOV scrubbyj427, dvm27, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted July 29, 2021 Share #371 Posted July 29, 2021 I am not sure why, as I can see 5 people liked the last post, but I cannot open the link I get a "cannot find" message. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share #372 Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) I fixed the YouTube problem. Seems it made a change to key setting on its own. Not sure how that happened but I have corrected the feed. Back to the correction on the stern, I will have completed reinstalling the stern this evening. This time it is PERFECT. thank goodness. The inners are installed. once the glue dries I will instal the middle counter timbers. Edited July 29, 2021 by Kevin Kenny strange attachment WalrusGuy, mtaylor and KentM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Kenny Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share #375 Posted July 30, 2021 The problem was also on the starboard end which was out to much. After getting the port end sorted i beefed up the support on the port side by adding a stiffener, then used a clamp to pull in the starboard end to the correct position on the plan, then i took out the blow dryer and heated the starboard end back into the correct position based on the plan. After it cooled, it held its position. Leaving the clamp in place i restuck the stern. It worked. Thank you Greg. Please continue to keep an eye on the Thorn. AON, mtaylor, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 30, 2021 Share #376 Posted July 30, 2021 Sometimes the aft upper end of a framed hull like that can distort before being tied together with all the other framing, beams and knees. My first model had that issue as the upper works were only in frame for some years. I actually needed to bury tie rods under the quarter deck beams to pull the topsides into spec'd width! AON, KentM and mtaylor 2 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idea Posted July 31, 2021 Share #377 Posted July 31, 2021 The honesty in your build Kevin is really inspiring mate - thanks for sharing such a fantastic build 👍 I could see in your video just how disappointed you were but you bounced back and got it all back on track. That takes real determination which I can only admire. druxey, mtaylor and KentM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share #378 Posted August 1, 2021 I Have removed that emotional video and replaced it with a more balance one. yvesvidal, No Idea, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted August 1, 2021 Share #379 Posted August 1, 2021 Hurray! I can see again. 🤣 KentM and mtaylor 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 1, 2021 Share #380 Posted August 1, 2021 Great fix Kevin! Enjoy your holiday in T&T. You can go with a clear conscience now. Two observations: Part of the difficulty in building a fully framed model for the first time is that it is a learning process. We inevitably make mistakes early one due to inexperience with the techniques that come back to bite us later. Knowing how to fix them is part of the learning process. I believe your use of the heat gun on the aft frames does not bend them so much as to soften the glue. After removing the heat the glue resets in it's new position. Check the centerline again after your time away from the shop to make sure it is still to spec. If it has drifted slightly to starboard again you may need to place a truss rod as Druxey did in an inconspicuous location. druxey, mtaylor and KentM 3 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share #381 Posted August 1, 2021 I will do as you suggest Greg but I have been bending wood this way for some years now with little or no spring back. Most wood contains moisture in it. Even dried wood. Here in the tropics there is a great deal of moisture in dried wood as compared to very little if you lived in a desert. My experience has shown me that it’s of no benefit to wet or steam wood because of the relative thickness of the wood we use. The heat gun works wonders and almost 99,999% of the pieces I have bent hold their shape. I’ll be away for two weeks and will check it when I return. dvm27, druxey, bruce d and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share #382 Posted August 23, 2021 James G, usedtosail, dvm27 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted August 23, 2021 Share #383 Posted August 23, 2021 Excellent video as always! However you gave me a fright having your fingers that close to the cutting blade! Might I suggest you consider a small piece of wood with a lip on it to hold the item down and will allow you to push the item to to fence at the same time. I put a dowel handle extension (goes 90° to the fence) on my tool. I almost lost a finger when the wood I was cutting flipped over and pulled my hand into the blade. Now my hands never get near the blade. bruce d, mtaylor and druxey 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted August 23, 2021 Share #384 Posted August 23, 2021 Kevin, great video (as usual) but I suggest you listen to Alan: I over-puckered when watching. druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share #385 Posted August 23, 2021 Allan I actually have a feather board but it only works with absolutely square stock. it was not as close as it looks. I always end up with a large piece at the end because of the risk of cutting my finger. I keep the end pieces and if I need additional stock I do use a piece of wood to push it close to the fence. KentM, bruce d, mtaylor and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share #386 Posted August 24, 2021 I completed 17 gratings from which we will need 8. Just waiting on the termite fluid to dry and cover with rub on poly and then cut and fit with the respective frames. No Idea, KentM, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted August 24, 2021 Share #387 Posted August 24, 2021 You are a machine! TBlack and Kevin Kenny 1 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBlack Posted August 24, 2021 Share #388 Posted August 24, 2021 Kevin, Have I seen 3 table saws in your shop? A Preac, a Proxxon, and a Byrnes? Tom WalrusGuy and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 24, 2021 Share #389 Posted August 24, 2021 Is that what's under all the sawdust,Tom? mtaylor and WalrusGuy 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentM Posted August 24, 2021 Share #390 Posted August 24, 2021 One can never have too many saws. I have 2 Preacs, a Proxxon, a Byrnes, a Dremel and something that I bought when I was just starting. I just recently finished watching all of your HMS Thorn videos over a 3-4 month period. Totally delightful and very educational. I have almost finished the HMS Granada videos. I did buy a Turbo Carver and managed to find a Vandalay Tree Nail Maker (not made any more). Keep up the great work. I am learning a lot. Kent Ryland Craze, WalrusGuy and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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