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Good work on the anchor. I have had similar issues with having to scratch build a new rudder as there was not a good way to hide the plywood layering. 

"A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor"
- John George Hermanson 

-E.J.

 

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Hi all,

 

3rd shipment with issues 5-8 arrived today!

 

This is the contents:

 

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Also this little surprise that I had forgot about:

 

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I usually use the old pencil-through-papercup trick and would never pay for anything like this.

 

But it's for "free"   :D :

 

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New update when I start building. (This evening I hope.)

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Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Very nice! Looking forward to seeing what is next in the building line.

 

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Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics 
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Cool marker, but would have rather had ship parts than a tool one doesn't need til the hull is finished. This is a criticism of the kit producers and not Mr. Pucko. I admire your patience.  Bill in Idaho

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Bill,

There are ship parts in the pictures. Guess you got caught by the "surprise" :)

 

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Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan

Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS

Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey

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Hi guys, 

Thanks for the comments. Bill, I agree that it would have been nicer with some ship parts instead of the marker, but as I said : It's free, and as Bob said: Free is good  :D

 

On to the build:

 

This shipments two first frames:

 

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As usual the laser cutting is great. Just had to sand away a little of the charring and they fit nicely together.

 

The two "fillers" in the bow:

 

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In my previous post you can see them as parts 2x2c.

 

 

3 frames and the "deck" mounted:

 

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The last 3 frames:

 

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And here mounted with the 3rd part of the keel:

 

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And that was all of the hull for now. On to painting some decorations. They include two cherubs, two gunport lion heads and one knight. I also have to get more paint. Being color blind this is not my favorite shopping trip... :P

 

Until then...

Edited by puckotred

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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jan, I think it will be built up something like this Victory build:

 

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Some kind of filler system....

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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I completely forgot the decorations:

 

 

The two Cherubs:

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Lions for gunports:

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Stern decoration:

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And the knight:

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But all is not well in paradise.

 

It looks like there's something wrong with frame number 9.

 

Look at this:

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I wonder if frame 9 and 10 should switch places.

 

On the right frame 8, this is how frame 10 looks like.

 

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as does frame 12,13 and 14.

 

View from the bottom:

 

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I know there is a inward curve here but not as severe as this.

 

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I will have to contact someone about this one way or another. The same mismatch is in the manual also. But it still seems wrong. And of course I have glued the frames well, with the deck on top fixed with AC. 

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Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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If the frame is too narrow you can always add a thin strip of wood to the outer edges and sand back as needed.

But I would seek out other build logs and check first :)

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Mr. Pucko,  I hope you didn't choke on the chocolate drink when you realized it.

I wonder if there is an error in the laser cutting? 

 

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Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics 
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Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS

Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey

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Bob: The frame is too wide, and probably the whole shape differs between those two frames. But I contacted Edition Atlas who sent the complaint to the main office, and hopefully they send it along to DeAgostini so I can discuss with someone in charge of the lasercutting. And there is no other build logs  :(

 

Dr Per: No choking. Just a long "what the f***..." (You can add a infinite number of asterisks here) And yes, I go for the laser error.

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Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Well it's either a laser error or they marked the frames wrong. Either way once you find out which it is i would demand all new parts because it will be very difficult to dismantle without damage :huh:

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Zoltan: yes I know. But nothing happened there since 30th of May. (Maybe something made him give up ;) ) It was that last picture from the rear that got me checking my frame actually. One can clearly see frame 9 sticking out.

 

Bob: this is my disadvantage. Them having to replace the lot.

If DeAgostini won't help me I guess I could try and copy the shapes of the frames on slips of paper stuck in between the reinforcements. Then sand away on one frame and add wood on the other...

 

Either way, big mistake from me not checking thoroughly and from them missing this in production.

(Or, I'm totally mistaken here  :rolleyes: That would be embarrassing...)

 

Well well, on to painting decorations!!!  :)

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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This is something you see a lot in other kits

Try to hold a piece of wood over frames 7-8 and 10-11 and then define how much has to be removed or added, this will be the simplest way. 

waiting for  a correct one from DA will take a long time I expect.

Jan V. 

current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart,

previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard

 

 

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Jan: Thanks for your input. you are right, but I can still give them some extra work in compensation for my extra  ^_^

 

If 9 and 10 change place the curve would be smoother. (Outside part of reinforcement P2)

 

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Also the inner shape of the frames indicate that 9 and 10 should change place:
 

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All frames up to 8 have this little shelf, then 9 is straight and 10 has the shelf again. 12,13 and 14 are again straight. (red elipses = shelf, black = straight.)
So, anyone building this, do not glue frames 9 and 10 in place until this little problem is solved.
And yes, I should have seen this before I assembled and glued them :huh:  but I was blinded by the otherwise excellent quality of the kit. 

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Another strange thing is looking at your photos there is no frame 11, it goes from 10 to 12 :huh:

 

I see from your parts photos that frame 11 does not seem to exist

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I found another build which is further ahead

 

http://modellistinavali.forumattivo.com/t3611p100-wasa-s-sharing-projet

 

Nice find :)

Looks like frame 9 sticks out on that one too

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Zoltan: thank you!! been looking for builds for ages! Great!! :D

 

Bob: The parts are numbered by assembly. So 8,9 and 10 are frames. 11 is the third part of the keel, 11a is the reinforcement of the keel joint. 12,13 and 14 are the frames on that part of the keel. Next will probably be frame 15, 16 the 4th part of keel with 16a being reinforcement and frames 17,18 and so on.

Looks like a mess in writing but makes sense when you're building the stuff.  :)

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Makes sense now you have pointed out what part 11 is :)

Looking through the log that Zoltan kindly found it seems frame 9 is the same on that build but further on in the build all looks to fit fine.

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Bob: If you look at the last photo on page 6 there's a quite a dent in the planking  :(

But the Italians seem to be more worried with the sturdiness of the hull. Wonder why, it's a static model after all.  :)

oh well, We'll have to see. It might do with some sanding and such in the end...

Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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Morning Gentlemen,

 

Having some experience with building the DeAgostini Victory, I can tell you that sanding/filing some bulkheads to shape is common. Yes, I would say it is an error in the way it was cut, but they expect the modeler to correct it themselves by either filing and/or sanding it to the correct shape when it becomes time to plank the model. I experienced the exact same thing with my Victory. Not a big deal to correct, really. 

 

Regards

Craig

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Ok, I'll go along with the frames as they are. just me getting picky with age I guess  :D

 

Thanks all for input.

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Mr. Pucko

 

Building:

Royal Caroline - Panart

Nuestra Senora del Pilar - Occre

Bounty - Occre

Titanic - Amati

Endeavour - AL

Santissima Trinidad cross section - Occre

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