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Pelican, later renamed as Golden Hind, by Backer - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century


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On 9/29/2020 at 3:55 AM, Backer said:

And now we make a "ezelshoofd"  (donkey head in Englisch :blink:)  What does a donkey have in common with a mast part?

 

That's a much more interesting name than the English one - just boring "mast cap". The Italians, on the other hand, call it a testa di moro - "Moor's head". But we make up for it with deadeyes - because they look a bit like a skull. The French call them caps de mouton - sheep's caps (unless it's an old name incorporating the Latin capitum - "head". Somehow sheep's head sounds more poetic.

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We do have a colorful language.
Just search for "kinderkopjes" (heads of little childs) on google...

 

Continue with the upper part of the main mast.

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And a test fit. It should become something like this.

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Someone (I) forgot that the mast must also have a support on the lower deck.
So I drilled a hole in this deck and hammered a nail in it

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And drilled a hole in the mast. plan B but effective

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And discovered my first rigging problem.

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Long time ago a modeller had the same problem.

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Beautifully solved by Bjorn Landstrom in his book The Ship.

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And this is a Turk's head  (for obvious reasons)

 

5 part 6 bight turk's head - YouTube

 

Very nice work so far. The mainstay problem is annoying, though. Is it supposed to be fixed to the foredeck? Maybe instead you could attach it to the lower end of the foremast? It should still do the same job (I think - not an expert with rigging).

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4 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

And this is a Turk's head  (for obvious reasons)

 

5 part 6 bight turk's head - YouTube

 

Very nice work so far. The mainstay problem is annoying, though. Is it supposed to be fixed to the foredeck? Maybe instead you could attach it to the lower end of the foremast? It should still do the same job (I think - not an expert with rigging).

This resulted in the same problem.
But the solution is near.

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not completely in order yet
but on the right track.

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On 10/5/2020 at 11:09 AM, Louie da fly said:

Very nice work so far. The mainstay problem is annoying, though. Is it supposed to be fixed to the foredeck? Maybe instead you could attach it to the lower end of the foremast? It should still do the same job

 

3 hours ago, the learner said:

I to think it should be attached to the formast.

Actually, yes and no.
On almost all ships with the fore mast in front of the fore castle it is attached to the bow (in a hole in the beakhead knee).

 

On ships with the fore mast in the fore castle you see all the possibilities.
Rules, habits, or maybe they had the same problem at the shipyard every now and then and they just did what suited them best.
In this era, information is sometimes unclear.

 

But

When the fore mast is so far forward, she has less support in the ship than when she is in the fore castle.
Perhaps the strength of the fore mast was not trusted to absorb the extra forces of the forestay of the main mast.
 

If I still got my lessons in mechanics right

The setup with the foremast in front of the fore castle can only absorb forces in the forward direction (2 support points).
The setup with the foremast in the castle can (should) absorb forces in both directions (multiple support points).

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Who knows??

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Going under the railing is definitely a way to do it.  On a replica here in San Diego of a galleon ship that sailed in 1542, the mainstay also travels under the railing:

 

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An interesting thing is how after the fore part of the mainstay is stropped around a deadeye, the two limbs are first “seized” together, then they separate to go around the foremast as a “loop” rather than sit together to one side of it or the other.  Here is how it looks from the forecastle:

 

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It still attaches to the beakhead rather than the foremast.  But what appears to be the protruding stempost in this replica is to the port side of the bowsprit here, with the bowsprit not “dead center” in the beakhead.

 

What could be done if the bowsprit rested on the stempost?  (I am struggling with the idea of eventually using this mainstay “loop” technique on my own galleon (a plastic kit), because the bowsprit does indeed rest on the stempost in that kit, but I think maybe the separation of the mainstay that goes around the foremast can stay separated around the bowsprit and then travel through a tunnel drilled transversely through the protruding stempost beneath the bowsprit, thereby completing the “loop”?)

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4 hours ago, Jeff T said:

What could be done if the bowsprit rested on the stempost?

Perhaps the Vasa model is a good example of this setup.

 

I think If the fore mast is far enough back then the bowsprit can be placed in the center and therefore also rest on the stempost

 

http://www.wasadream.com/Index/indexenglish.html

http://www.wasadream.com/photoswasa/154.jpg

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11 hours ago, Backer said:

Perhaps the Vasa model is a good example of this setup.

 

I think If the fore mast is far enough back then the bowsprit can be placed in the center and therefore also rest on the stempost

 

http://www.wasadream.com/Index/indexenglish.html

http://www.wasadream.com/photoswasa/154.jpg

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Yes, I think this would work.  Thanks!

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After finnishing the fore and main mast, i started with the mast top of the mizzen mast.

 

There is a choice with or without a mast top. I chose to build a mast top, but smaller and simpler than the 2 previous ones.

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A little too much removed from the fore castle :default_wallbash:
So, repair and repainting.

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The modified version (almost correct)

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The 3 masts and the bowsprit dry fitted in place (and someone is taking a nap 😴)

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My loyal assistant, on the lookout in the mast top 

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The wooden parts of the masts are now ready, the masts are now first further finished (bolts and other metalwork).
And then think about how and where the deadeyes are attached to the mast tops.

 

Thanks for following

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On 11/19/2020 at 5:37 PM, md1400cs said:

Just went through your Oct. posts

Welcome back ;)

You haven't missed anything for now. This build was temporarily on hold.
First finished a small plastic Bounty. 
Had a "light" corona attack, and defeated it
Now build a few military vehicles and then we'll get back to this build. 

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